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Nick, here is Jesus doing the will of God rather than his own will.
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
He was not a robot to be controlled, nor was he an empty shell filled with just God the Father inside.
His name is the Word of God and he existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and came in the flesh and God dwelt with him.
The Antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh.
With all your statements and questions Nick it is truly hard to know where you really stand here.
I need to ask:
Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh?
I’ve changed my views on the pre-existence of Jesus.
John 6:62 Then what if you were to observe the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?
John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.
These words are very clear.blessings!!
Danny Dabbs
Very good Danny. You did exactly what you should have done. You used scripture to see if what some teach here is actually so.
t8 and Danny,
If you believe those words are so clear then why are they also controversial?
Let parse John 3:13 and consider its context.
Jesus has not yet ascended into heaven because he has not yet been resurrected or made the choice to sacrifice himself for the world.
Jesus uses the word “ascended” which is past tense.
“except” would mean that Jesus is the only one that has already ascended to heaven. Since that is clearly wrong I will assume that in English but “except that” but that would ruin the English grammar in the sentence.
In short it is a poorly translated sentence which clearly does mean that Jesus had already ascended to heave which is the implications of the literal translation of the words.
In addition there is debate in the manuscripts as some have the words “who is in heaven” as a description of the Son of Man.
With that addition the sentence makes more sense as according to that the Son of Man is currently in heaven even as is body is on earth. So in someway he did ascend to heaven and is in heaven even as he is in the physical presence of Nicodemus.
Ephesians 2:4-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Instead of Jesus, this speaks of the believers sitting together in the heavenly places in Christ even as they live there mortality on earth.
How is these words to the Ephesians true?
Kerwin……GOOD POST BROTHER. People need to really understand hoe our s ripture have been corrupted by those who preach and teach false doctrines. This great effort to make JESUS APPEAR DIFERENT THEN WE ARE IS THE GREAT SATAN LIE, SPOKEN OF BY THE APOSTLE PAUL. This is why there are thousands of different demoninations and beliefs we must learn to put all tbe scriptures dealing withan issue, not just one or two sentences that could have easly been minipulated to lead to false conclusions.
peace and love to you and. ……gene
Hi t8,
The word was with God and was God.
The word was made flesh and dwelled among us.
Spiritually speaking , yes, Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
But was Jesus always anointed as the Christ?
No he was made Lord and Christ.
Hi t8,
If Jesus was made Lord and Christ how do you understand his coming in the flesh?
if Jesus was conceived how do you understand his coming in the flesh?
Hi ED,
If the Spirit of Christ was just the spirit of a man how come that Spirit was in the prophets?
1peter 1.11
Hi Nick,
The spirit of the Son of God (which was from eternity) was in the prophets.
Hi Ed,
Do you not think Jesus existed as man but was just a spirit being born into a flesh body?
Hi Nick,
The bible seems to indicate we all were.
“the spirit shall return unto God who gave it” (Eccl 12:7)
“Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit”
and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. (Luke 23:46)We cannot twist the words of Jesus. Jesus Christ came from Heaven.
Kerwin and Gene, I can agree with you only on one point.
Jesus became 100% man. He gave up his divine nature as God’s only-begotten!
This was a real sacrifice.
blessing!
Danny
T8!
I agree with you. Jesus Christ came from Heaven.
He gave up his divine nature as God’s only-begotten to become 100% man.
This was a real sacrifice. Antichrist hates this Truth!
blessing!
Danny
Danny Dabbs…..If Jesus preexisted his existence on earth then why is there no activity mention of him any time before his berth on this earth? Surely if he created everything there would be some kind of mention of him right? Further more why didn’t he say he ever created anything, or anything before he came to this earth and was “morphed” into a human being. How is it that scripture say he” grew in favor with man and God, wouldn’t he alread have been in favor with God. Not a single deciple taught of a preexistent JESUS, we have only prophetic words describing his comming into existence before his berth, nothing more any preexisting activity of himas a sentinal human being.
Paul said theBereans were mor noble then those in Theslanica, because they studied the scriptures tosee if whatthey werebeingtold was true or not, those scriptures were the OLD TESTEMENT, becaus the NEW TESTEMENT did not exist. We need to do the same today also, and if what we read in the NEW TESTEMENT DOESN’T MATCH WHAT THE OLD SAYS WE SHOULDS REJECT IT. The new testement has been corrupted to make Jesus appear different then we are , not only as him being a GOD, buy his preexistence also.
All brought about by Satan and his ministers to cause us all the think Jesus was different than we are. Which works to cause us to not think we can actually all come in …”the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the SON od GOD, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.” Eph 4:13
peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Gene……..No one has ever seen Father Yahweh except for Jesus. Yahweh has remained in Heaven. It was Jesus, in the Name of Yahweh, Who interacted with Moses, Abraham, Jacob, the 70 Elders and others.
blessings!!
Danny
Hi GB,
The new interprets the old.
Natural men cannot accept the spiritual words .
A wise storeman can take things new and old from his storehouse.
Hi Ed,
God is the Father of spirits.
That is no proof that all men preexisted but ascribes the source of the spirits of men to God.
One and one do not make three.
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