Parables

[NickHassan]

G,
It is odd that over half of your posts are about your nonbiblical intellect theory.
Do you think this obsession could now be a private one as nobody follows you on it?

[terraricca]

GENE

you did not see what it said “Paul was talking to his BROTHERS IN THE FAITH”those people had already given up there will to God, as soon you chose of your freewill to serve God ,your freewill is destroyed
you now belong to Christ no more to yourself.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.

as for influence;read this;entice I enticed the little bear into the trap with a pot of honey. Translations: To lure; to attract by arousing desire or hope.( the wiktionary)
INFLUENCE Noun: I have absolutely no influence over him. An action exert ed by a person or thing with such power on another to cause change

GOD INFLUENCE US ONLY AFTER WE HAVE GIVEN UP OUT OF, OUR FREEWILL ACCEPTED TO DO HIS WILL,THEN WE DO NOT POSSESS A WILL OF OUR OWN BUT OF GOD,AND GOD WILL BE IN ALL;

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Joined: Feb. 2009 Posted: Feb. 17 2010,06:24

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Terraricca…..That is exactly my point , it is GOD that Works in us Both to WILL and do (HIS) GOOD PLEASURE. THAT IS NOT OUR SO-CALLED “FREE' WILLS ART WORK, BUT GOD'S WILL, WORKING BY HIS GRACE (IN) US. SO WHERE IS MAN FALSELY CALLED “free will” there. So why do you support a false teaching as a FREE WILL, when in fact NON exists

Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
YOU SEE GENE;WHY SHOULD GOD LOOK FOR SOMETHING HE HAS OR FORCES TO WORSHIP HIM??
WHY DOES JESUS QUALIFIES THE KIND OF WORSHIPERS GOD LIKES ???IF THEY ARE INFLUENCE OR FORCED.

Jas 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 17 2010,04:08)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 16 2010,21:49) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 19 2010,04:23) Terraricca……….I don't recall you answering that question, please answer it again for us, WHAT IS SPIRIT< if Not THE INTELLECT of GOD. Gene What is Paul referring to in this scripture? 1Cr 2:11   For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.   What is this spirit in man? And then, what is Paul saying in this scripture? Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   What mind was in Christ, that should also be in us? So, what is the difference between mind and spirit in us? Georg Georg………That is man (INTELLECT) that is in HIM, Now if that intellect (spirit) be of GOD then that man will think like GOD does. if it is of the world then he will think like the world does, But either way it is all Spirit (intellects) that is causing Him to produce his fruits in his life. We are animated by our Intellects in our minds if of GOD it is Godly if of the world it is worldly. GOD can easly Change anyone He choses to , by simply changing His or Her thinking. THO YOUR SINS BE AS SCARLET, YET THEY SHALL BE AS WHITE AS WOOL. Ir is not a problem for GOD the FATHER to Change US by simply removing wrong Spirit (unclean Spirit) and giving Us clean Spirit. It is all a CREATION PROCESS. Man Hates the idea of GOD'S total Control over everything , because He wants to be a GOD HIMSELF. He has a (adversarial) or satanic spirit in him and refuses to submit to the will of GOD. GOD said he looked for (ONE) righteous Man and could FIND NON, Therefore the took it upon HIS Own arm to bring salvation.  We are CREATED UNTO GOOD WORKS. Man hates this they want their OWN non existent, So-Called “FREE WILLS” to be in Charge of their salvation.  IMO

Gene

OK, then you tell me what these scriptures are talking about?

Ecc 3:18   I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.  
Ecc 3:19   For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.  
Ecc 3:20   All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.  
Ecc 3:21   Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?  

According to these scriptures, beasts have a spirit too, did you know that?

Georg

[terraricca]

gene

your mind is set on your own will ,free to fallow anything you want to do as far as Gods is concerned
we keep saying to you the same things, but you do not want to accept them,then you ask again to show you ,

you know you will not accept anything what is not of yours.

and i have answered all your question.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 17 2010,20:29)

GENE you did not see what it said “Paul was talking to his BROTHERS IN THE FAITH”those people had already given up there will to God, as soon you chose of your freewill to serve God ,your freewill is destroyed you now belong to Christ no more to yourself. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. as for influence;read this;entice I enticed the little bear into the trap with a pot of honey. Translations: To lure; to attract by  arousing desire or hope.( the wiktionary) INFLUENCE Noun: I have absolutely no influence over him. An action exert ed by a person or thing with such power on another to cause change GOD INFLUENCE US ONLY AFTER WE HAVE GIVEN UP OUT OF, OUR FREEWILL ACCEPTED TO DO HIS WILL,THEN WE DO NOT POSSESS A WILL OF OUR OWN BUT OF GOD,AND GOD WILL BE IN ALL; Group: Regular Members Posts: 3157 Joined: Feb. 2009  Posted: Feb. 17 2010,06:24   ——————————————————————————– Terraricca…..That is exactly my point , it is GOD that Works in us Both to WILL and do (HIS) GOOD PLEASURE. THAT IS NOT OUR SO-CALLED “FREE' WILLS ART WORK,  BUT GOD'S WILL, WORKING BY HIS GRACE (IN) US.  SO WHERE IS MAN FALSELY CALLED “free will” there. So why do you support a false teaching as a FREE WILL, when in fact NON exists Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. YOU SEE GENE;WHY SHOULD GOD LOOK FOR SOMETHING HE HAS OR FORCES TO WORSHIP HIM?? WHY DOES JESUS QUALIFIES THE KIND OF WORSHIPERS GOD LIKES ???IF THEY ARE INFLUENCE OR FORCED. Jas 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.

Terraricca……… YOU Say as soon as we of our own “FREE WILL” chose GOD our freewill is destroyed. O Really, where in scripture is that stated. Jesus seems to have a different view then you and the rest of the FREE WILLER'S, “NO MAN (CAN) COME UNTO ME UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW (Greek drag) HIM”. YOUR so-called “FREE WILL” salvation falls apart it seems.

Not one thing you are quoting or have said proves we all have a “FREE WILL” You said you have answered (ALL) my questions is a lie, I have ask you to show me (ONE) Scripture the Says WE ALL HAVE A “FREE WILL” IN US, SIMPLY PUT YOU CAN'T and so you dance all around franticly looking for some scripture to shore up you false beliefs. You seem to be more worried How you look them getting the real truth. Produce the scripture that say we all have “FREE WILLS”. or at least have the sense and character to admit it does (NOT) EXIST, then maybe we will have to move forward. IMO

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 17 2010,08:09)

G, It is odd that over half of your posts are about your nonbiblical intellect theory. Do you think this obsession could now be a private one as nobody follows you on it?

Nick………Maybe it is ,or maybe GOD has shown me it. Time will tell brother. Remember though a WORD is the EXPRESSION of ONE (INTELLECTS) and If Jesus said the WORDS He spoke (ARE) Spirit and LIFE, I simply believe it. The reason words are life is because they express the MIND or INTELLECTS in a PERSON and that is His reality or LIFE> You Know that is the reason i maintain that (INTELLECTS) ARE SPIRITS. NO one has proven it any different to me so far.

peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

[terraricca]

gene

t8,edj,WJ,and me have show you so many scriptures and you still do not believe ,it look unless come down from heaven before your own eyes you will not believe .

Jn 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”
Ac 20:30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples

what Christ was talking about is the good new will be preach to all men Jews and gentiles alike,this is how Christ draws (or call)men to him,
it is men freewill to respond to the message ,each man is responsible for is own choices.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 18 2010,15:42)

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 17 2010,04:08) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 16 2010,21:49) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 19 2010,04:23) Terraricca……….I don't recall you answering that question, please answer it again for us, WHAT IS SPIRIT< if Not THE INTELLECT of GOD. Gene What is Paul referring to in this scripture? 1Cr 2:11   For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.   What is this spirit in man? And then, what is Paul saying in this scripture? Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   What mind was in Christ, that should also be in us? So, what is the difference between mind and spirit in us? Georg Georg………That is man (INTELLECT) that is in HIM, Now if that intellect (spirit) be of GOD then that man will think like GOD does. if it is of the world then he will think like the world does, But either way it is all Spirit (intellects) that is causing Him to produce his fruits in his life. We are animated by our Intellects in our minds if of GOD it is Godly if of the world it is worldly. GOD can easly Change anyone He choses to , by simply changing His or Her thinking. THO YOUR SINS BE AS SCARLET, YET THEY SHALL BE AS WHITE AS WOOL. Ir is not a problem for GOD the FATHER to Change US by simply removing wrong Spirit (unclean Spirit) and giving Us clean Spirit. It is all a CREATION PROCESS. Man Hates the idea of GOD'S total Control over everything , because He wants to be a GOD HIMSELF. He has a (adversarial) or satanic spirit in him and refuses to submit to the will of GOD. GOD said he looked for (ONE) righteous Man and could FIND NON, Therefore the took it upon HIS Own arm to bring salvation.  We are CREATED UNTO GOOD WORKS. Man hates this they want their OWN non existent, So-Called “FREE WILLS” to be in Charge of their salvation.  IMO Gene OK, then you tell me what these scriptures are talking about? Ecc 3:18   I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.   Ecc 3:19   For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.   Ecc 3:20   All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.   Ecc 3:21   Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?   According to these scriptures, beasts have a spirit too, did you know that? Georg

Georg……….Yes i Know that Beasts have spirits in them, so what your point your trying to make, I not following you.

peace and love to you and Irene…………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2010,04:46)

gene t8,edj,WJ,and me have show you so many scriptures and you still do not believe ,it look unless come down from heaven before your own eyes you will not believe . Jn 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.” Ac 20:30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples what Christ was talking about is the good new will be preach to all men Jews and gentiles alike,this is how Christ draws (or call)men to him, it is men freewill to respond to the message ,each man is responsible for is own choices.

Terraricca………..I want Scripture NOT your rendition of what (YOU) and T8 or WJ , THINK, Show me ONE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS WE ALL HAVE A “FREE WILLS” OR JUST ADMIT THERE IS NON, is that so hard to do. PRIDE IS A DESTROYER ITSELF. Produce scripture not scriptures you can add you own twisted interpretations to try to make is imply something they don't. Like TRINITARIANS AND PREEXISTENCES DO. Be SPECIFIC AND SHOW IT SPECIFICALLY SAID, IF YOU CAN, IF NOT JUST ADMIT YOU CAN'T.

[terraricca]

gene

show that there is none first .

[terraricca]

gene

one word = vocabulary ;without meaning in most cases,only equal to something.

many words could contain thought.

think about it .

[GeneBalthrop]

Terraricca………Whats your POINT! and one word does not equal a vocabulary no more then One book equals a Library. And many words DO contain Thought they are the expressions of THOUGHTS and ARE SPIRIT as JESUS SAID THEY ARE> You people say you believe Jesus and Yet don't believe what He said Without putting your own twist to it, Why is that?

[terraricca]

GENE

READ WHAT I SAY ,YOU JUST REPEAT WHAT I SAY.

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Gene @ Feb. 19 2010,04:49)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 18 2010,15:42) Quote (Gene @ Feb. 17 2010,04:08) Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 16 2010,21:49) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 19 2010,04:23) Terraricca……….I don't recall you answering that question, please answer it again for us, WHAT IS SPIRIT< if Not THE INTELLECT of GOD. Gene What is Paul referring to in this scripture? 1Cr 2:11   For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.   What is this spirit in man? And then, what is Paul saying in this scripture? Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   What mind was in Christ, that should also be in us? So, what is the difference between mind and spirit in us? Georg Georg………That is man (INTELLECT) that is in HIM, Now if that intellect (spirit) be of GOD then that man will think like GOD does. if it is of the world then he will think like the world does, But either way it is all Spirit (intellects) that is causing Him to produce his fruits in his life. We are animated by our Intellects in our minds if of GOD it is Godly if of the world it is worldly. GOD can easly Change anyone He choses to , by simply changing His or Her thinking. THO YOUR SINS BE AS SCARLET, YET THEY SHALL BE AS WHITE AS WOOL. Ir is not a problem for GOD the FATHER to Change US by simply removing wrong Spirit (unclean Spirit) and giving Us clean Spirit. It is all a CREATION PROCESS. Man Hates the idea of GOD'S total Control over everything , because He wants to be a GOD HIMSELF. He has a (adversarial) or satanic spirit in him and refuses to submit to the will of GOD. GOD said he looked for (ONE) righteous Man and could FIND NON, Therefore the took it upon HIS Own arm to bring salvation.  We are CREATED UNTO GOOD WORKS. Man hates this they want their OWN non existent, So-Called “FREE WILLS” to be in Charge of their salvation.  IMO Gene OK, then you tell me what these scriptures are talking about? Ecc 3:18   I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.   Ecc 3:19   For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.   Ecc 3:20   All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.   Ecc 3:21   Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?   According to these scriptures, beasts have a spirit too, did you know that? Georg Georg……….Yes i Know that Beasts have spirits in them, so what your point your trying to make, I not following you. peace and love to you and Irene…………….gene

Gene

My point is, or rather my question is, what spirit is in animals?

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg……….The question is what amount of Spirit (intellect) is in them. Even Ameba's (one celled animals) have Spirit in them or how could they function and reproduce. The difference between them and Man is that we have much higher (INTELLECTS) SPIRITS IN US, then other created animals do. But that is because GOD made us that way and He made other animals the way they are, and put the appropriate Spirit in them, But he could change any of there Spirit, as in the case of the ASS the spoke to the Prophet Balam, and look what He did to King Nebuchadnezzar causing him to go out and eat grass like a ox and then return His SPIRIT (INTELLECT) Back into him seven year later. Jesus said we are much more valuable then a Bird, why” because we have far more spirit in us then a Bird does, but even a bird does not die without GOD taking notice , WHY ? because it is His Spirit the sustains that little Bird. In that sense the Indians in our country were not as far off as some think with regards of the Great Spirit of GOD was in the animals, and controlling the weather. IMO

[Elizabeth]

Gene

So, then, which spirit will go to heaven when they die, man's or animals?

Georg

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 21 2010,06:15)

Gene So, then, which spirit will go to heaven when they die, man's or animals? Georg

Hi Georg and Gene,

In my humble understanding, spirit is not intellect. Spirit is the “life force” that flows through us. It is a steady flow from God through all living things, then back to God. If He withheld it, we would die.

When we do die (animals and men) that spirit returns to God. It stays with God, ceasing to flow through us.

peace and love
mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 21 2010,06:15)

Gene So, then, which spirit will go to heaven when they die, man's or animals? Georg

Georg ….> the spirit (intellect) of man goes back to who gave it.

Job 32:8…..> But there is a Spirit (IN) Man and the Inspiration of the ALMIGHTY gives them UNDERSTANDING.

George when an animal dies it is dead for ever, but Man is Not so His spirit (intellect) is maintained by GOD , Both an animal dies just like a Man dies, there is no difference in their death , However there is a difference in where there spirit (intellect) goes , an animals goes into the grave with it, and ceases to ever exist again. that is not the case with Man. But GOD can destory BOTH BODY and SPIRIT IN The GRAVE If He so chose to, AS Jesus Said. If he does not create another Body and add spirit back into it , it remains dead for ever. As the animal does. IMO

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2010,07:53)

Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 21 2010,06:15) Gene So, then, which spirit will go to heaven when they die, man's or animals? Georg Hi Georg and Gene, In my humble understanding, spirit is not intellect.  Spirit is the “life force” that flows through us.  It is a steady flow from God through all living things, then back to God.  If He withheld it, we would die. When we do die (animals and men) that spirit returns to God.  It stays with God, ceasing to flow through us. peace and love mike

Mikeboil…….So a man think so he is. Our thoughts are intellects and are life . Spirit is the Light of life, ones intellect . We only exist as alive in a realm of thinking . When a man dies his thoughts Parish, He does no longer exist, until a body is resurected and Spirit added back into it. Then He becomes a living SOUL again. IMO

peace an dlove to you and yours…………….gene

[NickHassan]

G,
Is each though an intellect?
my my you must have many such intellects.

Gnosticism is full and absurd flower

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