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- March 20, 2019 at 10:36 pm#844284MiiaParticipant
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
“The lust of life” (love of the world /pride of life) means the money, the riches, the overeating, the desire for property and nice clothes and cars and multiple partners and fame and friends and self and all of those things, imo.
Nothing to do with feeling empathy for people who are suffering. That is from God absolutely.
March 20, 2019 at 11:13 pm#844285MiiaParticipantEd J,
You asked if I believe Muhammad was a false prophet.
I have not read the Quran. I believe some of their teachings were divinely inspired. I also know it has errors in it such as ‘Jesus is not God’s son’ and people roast alive consciously in eternal hell. Those parts are the rambling of a man’s mind imo and no different than the preachers of Christianity.
They are part of God’s plan.
That is all I have to say about that – end of story.
March 21, 2019 at 5:46 am#844291Ed JParticipantHi Miia,
Is that an “I don’t Know” then?
“Yes” or “No”______________
God bless
Ed JMarch 21, 2019 at 10:53 am#844293MiiaParticipantNow is not a time to be questioning whether Muhammad was a false prophet. I do not follow Muhammad – I follow Jesus. There are false prophets everywhere especially in Christendom. I see Muhammad as a man who met with Jews and Christians in his daily business (so learned a lot from them), and turned his people who worshipped many gods into a people who worshipped one God who Muhammad taught was the God of the Bible. He destroyed images used in worship. He turned his people from sin (adultery, fraud, injustice, aggression, oppression, wine drinking, gambling, joking, lying, magic, divination, horoscopes, disrespect of parents, talking nonsense, mentioning peoples defects, bad associates, submitting to evil people, “refraining from helping needy people, refraining from supporting oppressed people, not enjoining what is right and not forbidding what is wrong” etc). And Muslims believe Jesus is the Word of God. They do not believe he is the literal Son of God as in God is not like man and does not procreate (have sex). So in this they are not wrong. Obviously, Muhammad heard from the Christians of his time that God has a son and misunderstood. Alah BTW is Arabic for God and is used in Arabic Christian Bibles. Muslims are the biblical Rechabites who are loyal to their ancestor (see Jeremiah 35). They serve the God of scripture but do not know Jesus in truth. It is during oppression etc. that He is making himself known to them.
March 21, 2019 at 11:03 am#844294MiiaParticipantEd J, your ‘yes’, ‘no’, ‘I don’t know’ questions are your evil way of putting people off reading peoples truth. I will never bow down to you.
March 21, 2019 at 3:52 pm#844301Ed JParticipantEd J, your ‘yes’, ‘no’, ‘I don’t know’ questions are your evil way of putting people off reading peoples truth. I will never bow down to you.
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March 22, 2019 at 12:00 am#844315ProclaimerParticipantYes I looked into these things that Mohammed believed. With an open mind I wondered if he was called by God to lead men away from polytheism and these other things you mention. But the fruit he left the world was not good. Maybe you do not know that he was a warlord and left a legacy of wars and jihad. Complete antithesis of Jesus Christ it turned out.
March 22, 2019 at 1:39 pm#844328MiiaParticipantI don’t care what anyone here thinks. This hurt everyday people. This is not New Zealand.
March 22, 2019 at 1:42 pm#844329Ed JParticipantHi T8,
Miia speaks out of ignorance. She is confused about many things.
Like not knowing who are her friends, and who the real enemy is.____________
God bless
Ed JMarch 22, 2019 at 11:13 pm#844333MiiaParticipantToday was an emotional day for New Zealanders who stood in solidarity everywhere.
March 28, 2019 at 8:39 pm#844467ProclaimerParticipantYes, it is really good to see the country unite to condemn this tragedy and to remember the victims of this horrific crime. However, whist New Zealanders have been very supportive of the victims families and the Muslim community at large, some especially on the far left of the political spectrum are using this tragedy to further their politics. Even worse, a respected Muslim leader blamed the Jews as he implicated that the attack was funded by Zionists and the Mossad were involved. Something tells me that New Zealand is not going to be so innocent anymore. It seems that the worlds problems have come to our doorstep and persecution of the Jews is on the rise around the world once again.
Unbelievable that a community leader unashamedly blamed Israel for the Christchurch terror attack in front of 1k people, a crowd member loudly agreed, and there was no challenge to the conspiracy theory.
Is this inflammatory hate speech endorsed by @FIANZ_NZ or rally organisers? pic.twitter.com/rsUx1RADez
— David Cumin (@KiwiDaveC) March 25, 2019
March 28, 2019 at 8:40 pm#844468ProclaimerParticipantPeople said the Holocaust would never happen again, but today the world is starting to look more like the years preceding 1939 in Germany.
March 29, 2019 at 2:51 pm#844476MiiaParticipantIt’s sad that your focus is so negative t8. That’s all I have to say.
March 29, 2019 at 7:23 pm#844477Ed JParticipantHi Miia,
islam is the scourge of the earth. But that does not mean
you kill the believers in this scourge to wipe out
the satanic belief. I thought you would be
able to make this distinction. Thus
I must point out the obvious.
We don’t hate people.____________
God bless
Ed JMarch 29, 2019 at 7:25 pm#844478Ed JParticipantBye bye to ‘al-Lah’
Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” (Jer 10:11)March 29, 2019 at 9:45 pm#844479MiiaParticipantEd J, you and t8 can have your little cult of two. Jesus said not to judge. God is love. It’s as simple as that. The love that was displayed and felt by New Zealanders was real. It spanned all generations in Aotearoa, from school kids to old people. I witnessed it on TV and in the town I live, where people sang songs and wrote on walls and performed haka. Every time I saw this or watched TV I was teary eyed. Love is from God. Hate is not. So as I said you can judge and condemn a religion and its people but that is not from God. New Zealand has the highest suicide rate in the world, and it’s about time we and the world saw a change. This heart /aroha is what the world needs. It doesn’t need what you have to offer.
March 29, 2019 at 9:54 pm#844480MiiaParticipantMarch 29, 2019 at 11:44 pm#844481ProclaimerParticipantIt’s sad that your focus is so negative t8. That’s all I have to say.
The truth can be negative and it can be positive. I focus on truth.And the truth is, practically no one here is saying that this was not an evil act and no one is saying that we shouldn’t mourn as a nation together. What we are talking about now is the knee-jerk reaction. This tragedy cannot be prevented, it already happened and will forever be part of New Zealand history now. What we can change now is how we react and while I think the reaction has been very good in that people show they care and have been generous, I also am not one to bury my head in the sand.
The knee-jerk reaction to this needs to be well thought out. But we the people have not been consulted at all and a raft of law changes will come upon us whether we agree or not. Right now, Jacinda thinks she is Gandhi, but her and the left today is stomping all over free speech which leads us to a world where those with power can censor those who they disagree with by calling it hate speech and their opponents as bigots even when they are not. This was already happening anyway, but it is accelerating now. Censorship is already very big now. The MSM, Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter already favor left-leaning content and views and regulatory demonetize other views and even make content disappear. The right, Jews, Christians, and Conservatives already know that their views are in the firing line, so of course I am going to tell it like it is. I’m not going to foolishly move in the direction of the world because the love of God would not be in me, and further, I see the injustice of it all and will not be silent.
Mark my words, this has happened before and it is happening again. Society can never treat people equally. They are always raising one group above another and the pendulum swings. There is nothing new under the sun. People today are generally ignorant of history and refuse to listen to the older generation. From their point of view they are old and redundant and there views are old fashioned. But they neglect their wisdom to their own peril. I cannot warn the younger generation enough but it seems that many older people are joining in so as to be relevant. Their actions will in years to come reap a whirlwind. They do not understand how their weakness will be exploited. Ignorance is not bliss and I suspect that you Miia do not even know what I am talking about right now. But I will tell you this. The generation that survived WWII would wonder how a generation became so ignorant. Did they not learn anything is what they would say. The problem is, that happened too long ago and the lessons have been forgotten.
If the light in a person or generation is darkness, then how great is that darkness?
March 30, 2019 at 12:22 am#844483ProclaimerParticipantI watched the video of that women singing. Do you think the words might be offensive to some Muslims though? The message in the song is basically preaching against religion and specifically about things that Muslims believes in. That is Heaven, Hell, countries, nation, or a caliphate, warfare against infidels, and conversion of the world to Islam and Sharia. The words of that song are the opposite. Or perhaps people are just naive about Islam and what it stands for? Or another theory is the woman is preaching to them through the song hoping they will lose their religion? I can’t see any leader or serious follower of Islam’s tenets agreeing to the words in that song, can you?
I heard and interesting point of view about John Lennon’s song and what it means. A person who researched John Lennon found that John wrote and sang “Imagine” in 1971, after he had expressed regret that he had said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. Here is what he said:
Interestingly, he continued to explore various religions, and made a few professions of Christian faith, but never for long. After quoting his own line “money can’t buy me love” he said, “It’s true. The point is I want happiness. I don’t want to keep on with drugs. ….Explain to me what Christianity can do for me. Is it phony? Can He love me? I want out of hell
By 1977, Lennon was telling friends that he was a “born-again Christian.” He made no connection with a church, tried Buddhism, consulted psychics and dabbled in the occult, and later mocked Christians and the faith.
Despite the words of “Imagine,” then, John Lennon did not live by the mantra of “no religion.” He was confused as he experimented with various religions, but he knew drugs were a dead end street, he wanted out of hell, he wondered if God loved him, and he said, “The point is I want happiness.” And in his desire for happiness he was like every other person who has ever lived. He was right to not want to go to hell, and right to ponder the love of God.
Another point I heard was that when you imagine that something doesn’t exist, it means it exists but you are imagining it doesn’t. For example, if I imagine there was no moon, it actually means the moon exists.
March 30, 2019 at 8:07 am#844485Ed JParticipantHi Miia,
islam is the scourge of the earth. But that does not mean
you kill the believers in this scourge to wipe out
the satanic belief. I thought you would be
able to make this distinction. Thus
I must point out the obvious.
We don’t hate people.Bye bye to ‘al-Lah’
Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” (Jer 10:11)So as I said you can judge and condemn a religion and its people but that is not from God.
Miia,
God is Judge.
____________
God bless
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