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Yes, He is going to raise the bodies and judge the believers with the judgement at the “The Judgment Seat of Christ.”
The Judgment Seat of Christ
The first future judgment derives its name from two passages where the term “Judgment Seat of Christ” appears:
For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ (Romans 14:10).
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10).
This judgment cannot be confused with either of the other judgments because the Holy Spirit used a Greek word to describe the Judgment Seat of Christ that is peculiar and different from the Greek words used in connection with other judgments. Here the word used is bema. It appears in classical Greek to identify the judge’s seat in the arena of the Olympic games. The bema was the seat whereon the judge sat, not to punish contestants, but to present awards to the victors. When Christians stand before the bema of Christ, it will be for the express purpose of being rewarded according to their works. There is no idea of inflicting punishment.
You said that the believers were already in paradise with Jesus so are you saying that for some reason although they are already with him that at some point they will still have to be judged/rewarded at this judgement seat although they are already with him in heaven? what is the point of the Judgement seat then?
Various crowns will be given after the bodily resurrection, Bo. Realize that judgements can be both good and bad.
http://www.breadoflifebiblestudy.com/Lessons/19Judgment/Articles/JudgmemtSeat6.pdf
Okay LU
This time I need you to simply admit you are mistaken if you cannot do that what is the point of a proper discussion, you said that the Believers were already with Jesus Christ now the scripture says this:
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
This is absolute scriptural proof that these “dead in Christ” are not yet with him, please tell me you are not any longer disputing this so we can go on to the deeper issues
Bo,
From what I understand, a believer’s resurrection is done in two parts. Immediately upon the last breath in the body, the spirit departs to go to the LORD. Later, the body is raised imperishable.
1 Cor 15
42So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”;e the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.Surely you have witnessed the perishable body in a casket and buried at a cemetery. There was no spirit in it at the time. The spirit of the person had departed. The body of a believer will be raised later, at the time the LORD descends with a shout…
So are they dead in Christ or are they alive in Christ? Or are you saying they are in Paradise with Christ as spirits and then their dead bodies will be resurrected and the spirits will rejoin their bodies?
@bodhitharta
Yes, I am saying that those believers that have died according to their flesh, are alive in spirit with Christ in Paradise while their bodies are decaying or have decayed already. When the passage in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 says that the dead in Christ shall rise first, it is speaking about the bodies of believer’s which have decayed. Those bodies will be resurrected to be glorified, imperishable bodies.Okay, so you are definitely saying that dead bodies will rise without spirits in them and the spirits in paradise will go back in those bodies making them new bodies, right? I just want to make sure that you agree with this 100% and if you do will you admit you are wrong if I show you something in the bible that clearly shows that you are wrong, will you agree to admit you are wrong if it is shown?
Psalm 146:421st Century King James Version (KJ21)
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
If the thoughts perish that very day of death how are the spirits with Christ are they just not aware of it?
Hi Bo,
The thoughts that perish are referring to their hopes and dreams and plans of theirs that they were having regarding their future on earth prior to their death. Obviously those plans cannot be carried out since they are dead.
Regarding your other question:
How about the spirits/souls who are not with Christ where are they?
Rev 20:13
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each one was judged according to his deeds.Here is an explanation from John Gill’s commentary
Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it,…. Which is not to be interpreted metaphorically of the world, and the men of it, who are like the troubled sea; but literally of the sea, and of all such who have been drowned in the waters of it, as were Pharaoh and his host; or have died upon the mighty waters, and have been cast into them, and devoured by the fishes; and particular regard may be had to the men of the old world, drowned by the flood; these shall be raised from thence; the sea shall deliver them up: now this, and what is expressed in the next clause, will not be done after the judgment is set, the books are opened, and the sentence passed, but before all this, and in order to it, as the last clause of this verse shows:
and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; “death”, which is here represented as a person, and elsewhere as a king, reigning and having power over men, signifies death in general, and every kind of death of which men have died, whether natural or violent, over whom it will now have no longer dominion, but will be obliged to deliver up all its subjects; and “hell” signifies the grave, which will now be opened, and deliver up all its prisoners, all that have been buried in the earth; see Job 26:5 the Ethiopic version adds, “and the earth delivered up them that were dead in it”: but this seems unnecessary after the former:
and they were judged every man according to their works; some to greater, some to lesser punishment, as their sinful works deserved.
No, i meant where are these spirits right now? also why does it say his “thoughts” perish? you seem to say that not his thought only some of his thoughts, can you expand on why it would mean only some of the thought when the scripture doesn’t say that? You did make a promise you know. will you keep it?
Bo,
That verse is focusing on the body of the person. In the casket, the body is brain dead…no thinking going on, and the body is already beginning to decay. That verse is not referring to the spirit of the person.
So the body of a person has thoughts that are completely different from the spirit of a person? So how do the thoughts perish at all when you say that the spirit still has thoughts?
Bo,
Think about how you have conflicting thoughts. A part of you might want to go see a thrilling yet very immoral movie, per se, but another part of you overrides that part and decides to go see a clean movie instead. Do you see how it is possible to wage war with your own thoughts? Our sinful nature will play tug of war with our spiritual nature. When we die, our sinful nature will no longer pull on the end of the rope, so to speak. That side of us dies. The war between the two natures perishes and we are left with only our spiritual nature.So what about when the person has evil thoughts in total no struggle just simply focused evil thoughts? You say there is this Spiritual side and this sinful nature are you saying the spiritual side is not evil?
If Jesus is the LORD of your life, the spiritual side is not evil. If satan is lord of your life, the spiritual side is evil.
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