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Quote (Lightenup @ April 13 2013,16:06) Hi Bo, I hope you are ok!
Yes, I'm doing fine thank so much for asking as I hope you are doing well too. I am done with this thread though, I don't believe your belief is totally agreeable with mine but I don't find enough disagreement to argue further.Ok Bo, you don't need to argue. I will keep posting here when I think something is relevant. For instance, I just came across this:
Joshua 24:19
Young's Literal Translation
And Joshua saith unto the people, 'Ye are not able to serve Jehovah, for a God most holy He is; a zealous God He is; He doth not bear with your transgression and with your sins.Did you know that the Hebrew literally says “for the Holy Ones are He?”
Here you can see that written by Gill in his commentary. He is a scholar in the Hebrew:
In the Hebrew text it is, “for the Holy Ones are he”: which may serve to illustrate and confirm the doctrine of the trinity of, persons in the unity of the divine Essence, or of the three divine holy Persons, holy Father, holy Son, holy Spirit, as the one God, see Isaiah 6:3,
That totally supports what I am saying that Jehovah is the name of a unity of the Father and the Son, the God of gods and the Lord of lords, btw.
And this verse:
Prov 9:10Young's Literal Translation
The commencement of wisdom is the fear of Jehovah, And a knowledge of the Holy Ones is understanding.The Hebrew word for 'holy' is written in the plural!
Another plurality in unity support verse for Jehovah as the eternal unity.
Quote (Lightenup @ April 16 2013,13:55) Ok Bo, you don't need to argue. I will keep posting here when I think something is relevant. For instance, I just came across this: Joshua 24:19
Young's Literal Translation
And Joshua saith unto the people, 'Ye are not able to serve Jehovah, for a God most holy He is; a zealous God He is; He doth not bear with your transgression and with your sins.Did you know that the Hebrew literally says “for the Holy Ones are He?”
Here you can see that written by Gill in his commentary. He is a scholar in the Hebrew:
In the Hebrew text it is, “for the Holy Ones are he”: which may serve to illustrate and confirm the doctrine of the trinity of, persons in the unity of the divine Essence, or of the three divine holy Persons, holy Father, holy Son, holy Spirit, as the one God, see Isaiah 6:3,
That totally supports what I am saying that Jehovah is the name of a unity of the Father and the Son, the God of gods and the Lord of lords, btw.
You have to go through so many hoops to come to your fragile conclusion, but the SHEMA of ISRAEL is CLEAR:Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:Bo,
Again, the Shema does not conflict with an eternal unity that is both God of gods AND Lord of lords. Those 'hoops' you speak of are scriptural truths that are just as valid as all other scriptural truths. The original text says the Holy Elohim are He. You can ignore it if you want but when you meet the LORD and He asks you why you ignored this truth and you say that you didn't agree with it, that is probably not going to be sufficient! (Ha, that is like a line from the movie that I am in with Harrison Ford) Have you seen the movie '42' yet?Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2013,13:04) Bo,
Again, the Shema does not conflict with an eternal unity that is both God of gods AND Lord of lords. Those 'hoops' you speak of are scriptural truths that are just as valid as all other scriptural truths. The original text says the Holy Elohim are He. You can ignore it if you want but when you meet the LORD and He asks you why you ignored this truth and you say that you didn't agree with it, that is probably not going to be sufficient! (Ha, that is like a line from the movie that I am in with Harrison Ford) Have you seen the movie '42' yet?
You said”HE” is going to ask, who i “HE”?See my point?
I haven't seen th movie “42” yet what part do you play. There i a movie coming out called “ONE SQUARE MILE” with Kim Basinger we did some art in that film
The 'He' of the 'Holy Elohim' that might ask you that would most likely be the one who is the Word of God, the one who holds all judgement and is the mediator.
In the movie, “42,” I was paid to sit near Harrison Ford. I sit two rows up the bleachers from him in the Ben Chapman, manager of the Phillies, nasty monologue. I am the blonde in an aqua colored dress with a white collar and my hair is tucked up in a black hat. During that monologue, the camera keeps going to check out Harrison Ford's reaction so I am in there several times. Sometimes I am over his right shoulder and sometimes over his left shoulder and sometimes I am covered up by his hat. You should go see it. It really is a great movie. That is pretty cool that you did some art work for “One Square Mile.” What did you paint/make?
Quote (Lightenup @ April 24 2013,14:41) The 'He' of the 'Holy Elohim' that might ask you that would most likely be the one who is the Word of God, the one who holds all judgement and is the mediator. In the movie, “42,” I was paid to sit near Harrison Ford. I sit two rows up the bleachers from him in the Ben Chapman, manager of the Phillies, nasty monologue. I am the blonde in an aqua colored dress with a white collar and my hair is tucked up in a black hat. During that monologue, the camera keeps going to check out Harrison Ford's reaction so I am in there several times. Sometimes I am over his right shoulder and sometimes over his left shoulder and sometimes I am covered up by his hat. You should go see it. It really is a great movie. That is pretty cool that you did some art work for “One Square Mile.” What did you paint/make?
But Jesus said “I judge no man”I signed a nondisclosure agreement with the company so I can't say until after it i released
Bo,
Jesus did not come in the flesh to judge men but to save them. In the future He does judge all men. Did you not know that?2 Timothy 4 1I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3For the time is coming when people will not endure sounda teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2013,17:11) Bo,
Jesus did not come in the flesh to judge men but to save them. In the future He does judge all men. Did you not know that?2 Timothy 4 1I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3For the time is coming when people will not endure sounda teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 5As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
People will be judged according to their works and Jesus already said that he will not judge:John 12:46-48
King James Version (KJV)
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Bo,
In 2 Tim 4:11 it clearly says that Christ Jesus is to judge the living and the dead. The way He may do it is by us letting us watch ourselves deny Him and His words sometime during our life. Our words are recorded in heaven, btw. In that manner, it is not He that has to make a decision as to whether or not we denied Him but our past words and works will declare it themselves. Nevertheless, we will be sentenced accordingly by Jesus.Rev 20
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Him
I don't see eternal life offered to us if we flat out deny that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and that He died on the cross for the payment of our sins and that He rose again and is our Lord and Savior.Quote (Lightenup @ May 04 2013,08:34) Bo,
In 2 Tim 4:11 it clearly says that Christ Jesus is to judge the living and the dead. The way He may do it is by us letting us watch ourselves deny Him and His words sometime during our life. Our words are recorded in heaven, btw. In that manner, it is not He that has to make a decision as to whether or not we denied Him but our past words and works will declare it themselves. Nevertheless, we will be sentenced accordingly by Jesus.Rev 20
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Him
I don't see eternal life offered to us if we flat out deny that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and that He died on the cross for the payment of our sins and that He rose again and is our Lord and Savior.
We will be judged by what we did in accordance with theGod of Jesus according to Jesus:Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.Bo,
Yes we will be judged according to how we responded to the Father's will. I don't believe denying that He has an only begotten Son and also denying the death and resurrection of that only begotten Son is responding in an acceptable manner to the will of the Father though!
Philippians 2
9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father.Quote (Lightenup @ May 05 2013,03:29) Bo, Yes we will be judged according to how we responded to the Father's will. I don't believe denying that He has an only begotten Son and also denying the death and resurrection of that only begotten Son is responding in an acceptable manner to the will of the Father though!
Philippians 2
9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father.
It is obvious that you will not WORSHIP ONE GOD above all else, I understand why you believe the way you do but it does not coincide with the instruction from the HOLY WRITINGS.But you are wrong, Bo, I worship one God above all else, I just realize that the one God, Jehovah, is both the God of gods AND the Lord of lords. You seem to think that Jehovah is only the God of gods. In fact you deny that Jehovah is Jesus, the Lord of lords. This is where you are outside of the will of God the Father, imo.
Quote (Lightenup @ May 06 2013,06:33) But you are wrong, Bo, I worship one God above all else, I just realize that the one God, Jehovah, is both the God of gods AND the Lord of lords. You seem to think that Jehovah is only the God of gods. In fact you deny that Jehovah is Jesus, the Lord of lords. This is where you are outside of the will of God the Father, imo.
Then let me just clarify: You do not believe in a SINGLE SUPREME BEING who is GOD ALONE.I believe the one whom you call “God the Father” is THE ABSOLUTE ONE and ONLY GOD and there is NO ONE ELSE.
2 Kings 19:15
And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord, and said, O Lord God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.You disagree with Hezekiah I do not. I love you because you seek the truth and I loveyou because you will find the truth.
I agree with Hezekiah just fine. The Jehovah God of Israel is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords.
You have disagreements with the many times that Jesus is called theos and connected with making all things in heaven and earth in the scriptures.
Bo, do scriptures call Jesus a theos? Does scriptures say that all things were made by Jesus? John 1.
If Jesus is called a theos and scripture credits Him for making all things in heaven and earth, then my understanding of two persons as Jehovah our God is consistent with what Hezekiah believes and your understanding is not because not only the Father is a theos but so is Jesus.
Thank you for loving me for seeking the truth. I am trying to help you see what I see too. I love you also.
Quote (Lightenup @ May 07 2013,14:16) I agree with Hezekiah just fine. The Jehovah God of Israel is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords. You have disagreements with the many times that Jesus is called theos and connected with making all things in heaven and earth in the scriptures.
Bo, do scriptures call Jesus a theos? Does scriptures say that all things were made by Jesus? John 1.
If Jesus is called a theos and scripture credits Him for making all things in heaven and earth, then my understanding of two persons as Jehovah our God is consistent with what Hezekiah believes and your understanding is not because not only the Father is a theos but so is Jesus.
Thank you for loving me for seeking the truth. I am trying to help you see what I see too. I love you also.
The Bible does not sa all things were mde by Jesus or through Jesus it says through the word of God and Jesus wasnot the word of God until the word of God became flesh.Bo,
Jesus is both the Root AND the Shoot. Jesus was the Root in the beginning as the Word of God. When the Root also became the Shoot, well that is when He became flesh.
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