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Nick
scriptures says that it is the sacrifice of his body and blood (life) and so not the spirit of truth that he spoke ,for what he said was for the listeners,the sacrifice was for all men sins
Hi,
Most do not agree with Jesus that the Spirit spoke through him.
It disagrees with popular religion
nick
I do not disagree that the truth was spoken by Christ ,but that is not what I am talking about
you must be confused by what I said
Terricca……Marty has said it exactly right Nick as well as kerwin also , GOD SPOKE THROUGH HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON (THE ONLY HUMAN BEING THAT HE HIMSELF BEGOT THROUGH THE HUMAN BERTH PROCESS) THE HUMAN MAN JESUS, WHO AFTER RECIEVING THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAME THE MESSIAH. JESUS WAS ALSO GOD’S HUMAN SACRIFICE FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND. HE WAS A HUMAN BEING FROM START TO FINISH AND STILL IS.
Remember Terricca, it was by mankind sin intered into the world and it was by mankind it had to be atoned for. Jesus did not prexist his berth in some other form and be changed into a human being, because that would disqualify him from paying for mankinds sins. WHY would God take someother preexisting being and make him pay for the sins of mankind, that would be unjust of God to do it that way. According to scriptures the one who paid for the sins of the world had to be an actual human being only.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
Marty……Very good point, it is in the “perception” of “HOW” Jesus came from heaven that is the problem. We know it was God the Father himself that begot JESUS through Mary’s womb, and in “THAT SENSE” Jesus was begotten from above, not that he preexisted before his berth on this earth as somekind of sentinal being and was “morphed” into a womens body, as most all false christanity believes.
Anyone who denies Jesus comming into “existence” by a puerly human berth process, is not of the truth and are denying him as the MESSIAH OF GOD, SO as John said, they are denying THAT GOD FATHERED a HUMAN SON ALSO, and that JESUS IS THE “ONLY” BEGOTTEN (BORN) SON, OF GOD from all of humanity.
We ubderstand Marty that none of that berth process by GOD THE FATHER, CHANGES JESUS from being a ordinary human being who came into existence by the same way we did. Jesus is one of us aways was and still is. Blessed are you for understanding this Marty.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
gene
the scriptures have not been written to please men ;
but to say the truth ‘
if your understanding should be true then what Christ said in JN 6:41 Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, “I am the bread that came down out of heaven.”
did Jesus talked about himself here or someone else ? if it is someone else why would he say “I AM” that came down ?
and again ;JN 6:51 “ I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”
JN 6:58 “This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’I do believe every word that Jesus the Christ said in scriptures and so John refer to the antichrist those that deny that the son of God Jesus the Christ was sent down from heaven to earth to fulfilling the will of God his father ,
for ;Ps 49:7 No man can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for him—it has to come from out side of man’s world and offspring of Adam ,this is why the gift to men from God is his son life out of perfect love (only the interest of others first )
now did Jesus lied or was it Paul/Peter/John /James/,,,,,and so that you today say the truth ? please tell me for your view and NICK,and Marty do not line up to the above scriptures
Hi,
If you do not know the voice of the Spirit you will not hear that voice in the mouth of Jesus or the apostles and prophets
But confusion babylon still has a huge religious following.
Terricca……God Fathered a son from among mankind through a women, Mary, what is so hard for you not to be able to understand that? Why do you even think that Jesus preexisted his berth onthis earth, what point would itbeforeGod to evendo that in the first place, what would that prove to humanity for a preexisting being to come down to this earth an live without sinning, it would mean nothing to any human if that weret he case.
If Jesus were to say to us “he that overcomes “even”, as i have” it would mean nothing to us, seening he already existed as a god or whatever, before he came to this earth. His sacrifice would be worthless to us seening he would not have truly and actually have died, now would it, nor would his resurection from the dead mean anything to us either.
IT WAS NOT A PREEXISTING GOD, OR little god or angel or whatever you can come up with, that paid forour sins but a real humanbeing who cameinto existence by his berth through his mother Mary fathered directly by God his Father, he never existed one hour before his berth on this earth, if you don’t see Jesus as a actual human being you cannot actually identify with him in anyway, you simply do not see the true Jesus.
That is exactly what Satan wants us to believe, that JESUS IS NOT EXACTLY AS WE ARE, THAT HE IS NOT A TRUE HUMAN BEING AS WE ARE. YOU have bought into the biggest lie ever told in CHRISTANITY. Satan’s DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION. HIS LIE WAS DESIGNED BY HIM TO CAUSE PEOPLE TO SEPERATE THEMSELVES FROM THEIR EXACT LIKENESS OF THE MAN JESUS, IT CHANGES OUR “IMAGE” OF JESUS, INTO A MAN OF SIN, AS PAUL BROUGHT OUT IN 2Ths2. There is no actual man of sin it is a false IMAGE about Jesus, that IMAGE TURNS OUR PERSEPTION OF THE MAN JESUS INTO A MAN OF SIN. REMENBER HOW JOHN ENDED ONE OF HIS LETTERS, “Little children, keep yourselves from idols. AMEN. 1JOHN 5:21
peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
ok, that makes sense to me. God’s word is not another person. I think you got it right, Gene.
God was in Christ. Jesus is a real human being, not a god.
Blessings to you,
Danny
Hi DD,
Great.
Now you realise that Jesus of Nazareth was a man like us you can see what God can do through ordinary men.
Hi,
By altering the beliefs satan has diverted glory and worship away from the One True God.
He has made a man a false god and confused those searching for truth.
Danny ……..You have it exactly right, hold on to that and see what our heavenly Father will do in your life. No one can come unto that realization unless the FATHER IS REAVELING IT TO HIM.
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Nick…..Perfect answer brother. Now with that understanding reread 2THS2 AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE FALSE “IMAGE” OF JESUS BEING A GOD, is the “LIE” SPOKEN OF THERE, IT TURNS OUR “IMAGE” OF HIM INTO A “MAN OF SIN”, because it breakes the first commandment of GOD. Paul was given the revelation about this even though he might not have known it was about JESUS, when he wrote about it. That false “IMAGE” ABOUT Jesus being a God is exactly what Jesus will oblish by his own words when his return.
He that has an ear let him or her hear.
peace and love to you and yours. ………….gene
Kerwin……..i do not believe we preexisted our berth brother. I believe we came into existence exactly like JESUS DID, BY THE COMBINATION OF DNA.
peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
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