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The Law of Moses has never been a covenant with Gentiles.
Do you mean the ten commandments? What if someone is a Jew by blood?
Miia,
The ten commandments are the part of the Law of Moses God speak out loud before the Hebrews begged him to use Moses as an intercessor but does not mean they are any more or less important than the rest. They do serve to symbolize the whole Law. The Forth commandment is the Sabbath, which God gave to the Jews as a day of rest.
On the other hand the first is part of the righteousness of the Law and therefore is part of the Laws of God, that apply to all human. The fruit of the Spirit is obedience to the Law of God; of which the Law of Moses is an iteration that applies to the children of Israel.
Christians are to live according to the Spirit and not according to human effort for human effort is doomed to fail. Where none sins there is no Law for there is no need for a Law as it is already written on the hearts of humanity.
Kerwin…..i don’t think Miia is disagreeing with you brother i think she is just expressing it a little diferent. Scripture say it is notby WORKS OF LAW, (meaning the way law works) That makes a man justified before God. It is by Grace we have recieved the SPIRIT of God that fulfills all the requirements of his commandments, GOD by his spirit he has given us causes us to keep all of what is written in the law. It is never an issue of should we keep his commandments, as far as i am concerned,it’s just an issue of the way we keep them,and that was all Paul was bringing out. Imo
Ps… kerwin.. i would like you to get involved in the descusion of the, “DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION”, I started , i want you to bring some OF your GREEK KNOWLEDGE into the descussion.
peace and love to you and yours ………..gene
Hi GB,
Works of law is the way the law works??
No it is acts of obedience to the Law.
The law reveals sin but God expects his sons to be motivated by the righteousness found in His Son.
It is no longer I that liveth but Christ that liveth in me.
Nick…..i thought you know spiritual things, it is apsolutely right what i said, that is exactly what Paul was talking about he was not saying “the” (definite article) added by translators, but he said by WORKS OF LAW. That makes a completely different subject matter, when the definite article (THE) is no there. PAUL WAS SIMPLY SAYING THAT A PERSON IS NOT MADE RIGHTBY THE WAY “LAW WORKS”. HE WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Check out the original Greek, you will find the definite article “the” is not there. Law works ina waythat has nothing to do with FAITH. Law simply put is “forced compliance”. It never stops to amaze me how you can SO EASELY put others down, and you can’t even understand what PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE ARE TO OBEY (THE) LAW, which is (THE) ten commandments, but not by the way “LAW” WORKS, BUT BY THE NEW NATURE GIVEN US WHICH “CAUSES” US TO KEEP THE COMANDMENTS BY A NEW AND “LIVING” WAY.
peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Miia,
You are correct to believe some misinterpret Scripture in an effort to justify their sins. The Spirit is given to justify the believe not their sins.
Hi GB,
Law is forced compliance?
The Jews could choose to comply or rebel.
Nothing is forced about it.
No you misinterpret scripture again.
You are a law unto yourself it seems.
Miia,
You are correct to believe some misinterpret Scripture in an effort to justify their sins. The Spirit is given to justify the believe not their sins.
Thank you Kerwin.
Miaa,
Thank you for being nice despite my poor grammar. I hope you were able to figure our what I meant.
Hi GB,
Of course it is not the Spirit of the Father that helps us pray to the Father.rom 8
That is the work of the Spirit of Christ.We will come to you.
Hi Nick,
I see you have properly identified the “We”; Good Job!
1. the Spirit of the Father
2. the Spirit of Christ“WE will come unto him, and make
OUR abode with him.” (John 14:23)Nick….A LAW CAN’T BE A LAW WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT. Common sense 101. What good is a law without enforcement. God turned his commandments into laws because the childern of Isreal would not obey him on there own, so he made them LAW and the penitalies went into effect at the same time Ex19:20? . Laws are made for violators the evil and corrupt, 1 Ti 1:9, Rom 4:14-15 read all of GAL 2:15-22 and you might begin to get the picture.
Peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
Hi GB,
What you call commonsense is not relevant to the study of scripture.
Scripture interprets scripture.
Hi GB,
You seem to be forcing your personal interpretations on scripture.
The result is doctrines of demons.
Ed,
I see you have properly identified the “We”; Good Job!
1. the Spirit of the Father
2. the Spirit of Christ“WE will come unto him, and make
OUR abode with him.” (John 14:23)Or it could just be speaking of the unity of the Spirit (Ephesians 4:3-6)
Nick,
Jesus speaks in parables; which is an of speaking.
We have John 17:20-21 as bridge passage which where Jesus asks if believers would be united even he is united with God and then goes on describe that union as God in him and him in God. He also states bother would be in each believer and each believer would be in them. The pronoun of the one Lord and on God being in a believers is “we”.
Hi KW,
Since JN 17 teaches of the Spiritual unity between the Father and the Son
and the way that spiritual unity can include us why would you be confused.
Nick,
I am not the one that speaks of the Spirit of God being separate from the Spirit of Christ despite there being one Spirit that unites Jesus and God with believers.
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