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Mia…..I believe by denying JESUS CAME INTO BEING AS A FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN BEING IS TO DENY THE “MESSIAH”, BECAUSE THE MESSIAH HAS TO BE A MAN, AND COULD NOT BE ANYTHING ELSE, SO TO DENY HIS FLESH EXISTENCE, IS TO DENY HE IS THE CHRIST OR MESSIAH, MKING THAT PERSON AN ANTICHRIST OR ANTI-MESSIAH, OR AGAINST JESUS AS BEING, A MESSIAH or ANOINTED HUMAN BEING.
Gene, yes, but is the Son still ‘coming’ in the flesh?
When the son of man returns, what does he say?
When I was hungry you fed ME, when I was in prison you visited ME… “Lord, when did we see YOU hungry, in prison….etc”, “When you do it to one of the least of these, you do it to ME”.The anitchrist denies that Jesus Christ both came in the flesh and comes in the flesh, (when the two different words are examined).
The antichrist denies the Father and the Son.
Jesus answered, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.”
“Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
Kerwin, you said:
anyone who claims Jesus is not presently in the flesh is contradicting John’s claim.
Could that mean: “For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.”
Obviously, people are not Christ. But, remember this: “just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one.”
Hi Miia,
Yes the 10 commandments remain and those who would attempt to please God by obedience to them are doomed to failure and frustration. Jesus succeeded and tore the temple veil to allow us access to the Holy Place in him. The standard has now been made perfection and none can achieve what he did.
Instead all are given the opportunity to walk in the Spirit which will fulfill those commands anyway while being used of God in simple ways.
We do not look back.
Nick…..JUST AS, MEANS THE EXACT SAME WAY. IT IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD THAT PUT JESUS IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IN HIM THAT SAME SPIRIT DOES THE “EXACT” SAME FOR US ALSO JUST AS IT DID FOR JESUS, WE ARE ALSO CHRISTS,IN GOD JUST as JESUS OUR BROTHER IS.
peace and love to you and yours………..gene
Hi Nick, we don’t ‘attempt’ to keep them. If Christ ‘is’ in us, we naturally keep them. We naturally don’t steal, we no longer take the Lord’s name in vain, we no longer covet etc. If we do these things, while professing to be a Christian – something is wrong. John says, “No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either SEEN HIM or knows him.”
Perhaps that is what you are meaning (by stating that walking in the spirit fulfills those commands anyway)? Still doesn’t ever mean they were done away with, though.
And you are right – we do not look back UNLESS we have fallen. (“Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first: If not, I will come and remove your lampstand from its place.”)
Hi GB,
Of course it is not the Spirit of the Father that helps us pray to the Father.rom 8
That is the work of the Spirit of Christ.
And in the one Spirit there are many expressions-prophecy, tongues, discernment of spirits, healing, word of knowledge, faith etc.
The Spirit is amazingly complex.
And Jesus promised us he would send us another advocate-the Spirit of truth from the Father.
We will come to you.
Miia,
My statement was based on a mistaken understanding.
Jesus does dwell in those that believe in the one true gospel he taught. Those that teach another gospel are teaching a gospel that does not give the spirit that Jesus and God dwell in believers through. The ones that heard the one true gospel and reject it for another will be told “I never knew you”.
Nick…..THE SPIRIT OF christ is the CHRISTOS, OR “ANOINTING” SPIRIT OF God. JESUS BEING THE MESSIAH had that, cristos “anointing” spirit on him. THAT was exactly how GOD WHO IS SPIRIT WAS “IN” THE MAN JESUS. THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, SPOKEN OF THERE IS THE ANOINTING SPIRIT of God.
Jesus said……And i will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he or it may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot recieve, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you (he, GOD the Father , by his spirit was “IN” JESUS) and shall “IN” you.
The spirit gives us the “Mind” of God which is the “intellect” of the truth and is from God himself. When it says let this MIND BEIN YOU IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE INTELLECT OF GOD. IMO
NICK NO ONE IS ASKING YOU TO BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE, BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL.
peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Nick,
We are soul enlivened by spirit and housed in flesh.
We are enlivened by the breath. In addition I know many translators translate the words “the soul (nephesh) is in the blood” to “the life (nephesh) is in the blood. I also know the breath, spirit and soul depart at death. I do not know how the different pieces go together.
After death hopefully we are soul enlivened by Spirit.
I have heard of the mortal body enlivened by the Spirit and the spirit enlivened by the Spirit but not the soul. Where is that written.
Hi KW,
We are soul.
It is the souls that are waiting under the altar.
The end of our faith is the salvation of the soul.1 Peter
Nick,
Genesis 3:18 though some translations use breath as a translation instead though I am sure the later is a flawed translation.
King James Bible
And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.NET Bible
With her dying breath, she named him Ben-Oni. But his father called him Benjamin instead.Nick,
Souls depart the body and descend to Sheol. The righteous go to the paradise of that realm and the wicked to place of the wicked.The later may be call Destruction. The breath returns to God who gave it which is why I am fairly sure nephesh should never translated to breath.
The souls under the idol is prophetic symbolism.
Hi KW,
Certainly flesh has no future returning to be one with the earth.
Souls either wait in earthly Sheol or if alive by the Spirit in the mansions of Christ.
Those in Sheol await the sheep and goat judgement.There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
They have already passed over from death to life,
Miia,
My statement was based on a mistaken understanding.
Jesus does dwell in those that believe in the one true gospel he taught. Those that teach another gospel are teaching a gospel that does not give the spirit that Jesus and God dwell in believers through. The ones that heard the one true gospel and reject it for another will be told “I never knew you”.
Kerwin, could you please define “the other gospel”?
The verse you are referring says “And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
It is to do with lawlessness.
People say the law was “done away with”. That is obviously a lie – right??
John said “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.”
Who denies Jesus Christ came in the flesh today?
Strong’s Greek:
4561 sárksproperly, flesh (“carnal”), merely of human origin or empowerment.
[4561 /sárks (“flesh”) is not always evil in Scripture. Indeed, it is used positively in relation to sexual intercourse in marriage (Eph 5:31) – as well as for the sinless human body of Jesus (Jn 1:14; 1 Jn 4:2,3). Indeed, flesh (what is physical) is necessary for the body to live out the faith the Lord works in (Gal 2:20).]
4561 (sarks) is generally negative, referring to making decisions (actions) according to self – i.e. done apart from faith (independent from God’s inworking). Thus what is “of the flesh (carnal)” is by definition displeasing to the Lord – even things that seem “respectable!” In short, flesh generally relates to unaided human effort, i.e. decisions (actions) that originate from self or are empowered by self. This is carnal (“of the flesh”) and proceeds out of the untouched (unchanged) part of us – i.e. what is not transformed by God.
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.You have made up your minds what this means, I honestly have no idea! I’ll leave you all to squabble.
miia,
It depends what they mean.
The Law of God will never be done away with but in the Law of Moses is a righteousness that is by human effort. As it is by human effort it was doomed to not righteousness of God even as it was given to Mosses by the angels. The new covenant which is superior to the old replaces the righteousness through human effort by the righteousness by the power of God. Other parts are replaced but only where the symbol of things to come and Jesus is fulfillment. The Law of Moses has never been a covenant with Gentiles.
A human who lives by the Spirit will not steal or sin in any other way because the Spirit is alien to sin. No one could live by the Spirit under the old covenant because it was not given yet. It was first given to Jesus.
Miia,
Even the most righteous of those the live according to the flesh are lawless. The who walk according to the Spirit cannot break the Law as the keeping the Law is the fruit of the Spirit. There is no Law against obeying the Law.
Even the most righteous of those the live according to the flesh are lawless. The who walk according to the Spirit cannot break the Law as the keeping the Law is the fruit of the Spirit. There is no Law against obeying the Law.
Kerwin, I have a problem with those who say “the law was done away with”. Don’t they read the scriptures, don’t they know the words of their savior?
The first thing that ever happened to me (spiritually with God) was I was taught to OBEY, and that includes the commandments which Jesus also spoke about repeatedly. That includes deeper, spiritual things not necessarily spoken of in the NT.
Anyway, that is the way it was, and after much stumbling, the way I want to go back to with God’s help.
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