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NICK….Neither…was the word “SPIRIT” UNTILL THE 700 HUNDREDS. SO ARE WE TO ASSUME SPIRITS DO NOT EXIST THEN? SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
YOU HAVE BEEN ASK OVER AND OVER TO GIVE US YOU UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT SPIRITS ARE. BUT YOU NEVER HAVE GIVEN US ANY EXPLINATION, SO YOUr SLIENCE ON THE SUBJECT HARDLY MAKES YOU ANYKIND OF EXPERT ON SPIRITS. RIGHT?
NICK MY BIBLE SAY THERE “ARE” SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD”. No one is asking you to believe scriptures if you chose not to, thats your peragitive, i chose to believe them. If scripture shows there are seven destinct types and kinds of God’s spirits that are infront of his throne, who am I to disagree with the word’s of God.?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Nick……Good advice, its time you start taking some of it, YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi GB,
You cherry pick your verses and ignorantly cling to them
with no attempt at aligning what you find with the whole of scripture.
You need help.
Who is the Antichrist
From:
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/who-or-what-is-the-antichrist/contentDisclaimer: I do not agree with everything this group says – only this part related to the discusson:
(Quote)
“The clearest passage of all explaining Antichrist is found in 2 John 6–7: “This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” In this passage, we see first of all how John is inspired to define love: “that we walk according to His commandments.” In context, the “commandments” being spoken of are clearly the commandments of God the Father (cf. v. 4)—not some “new” commandments of Jesus. Even though John wrote in the 90s ad, some 60 years after Christ’s crucifixion and 20 years after Paul’s death, there is not even a hint that God’s commandments were “nailed to the cross” or “done away with” by the Apostle Paul! Then John reminds his readers that the commandments were those they had heard “from the beginning.” In other words, they are the clear teaching of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, in Matthew 19:17 and elsewhere.
Then, in verse 7, John warns that the “deceivers” do not teach “Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.” He describes such teaching as “Antichrist.” The significance of Jesus Christ “as coming in the flesh” is that—as in the original Greek—the present continuous tense is here used, denoting something that is now happening.
The well-known Expositor’s Bible Commentary attempts to explain this passage (2 John 7) in the following words:
“Curiously the tense is changed from the past tense ‘has come [el luthota] in the flesh’ (1 John 4:2) to the present participle ‘as coming [erchomenon] in the flesh.’ It would be possible, therefore, to interpret this as a reference to Jesus’ return: he is coming (i.e., will come) in the flesh (cf. 1 John 2:28; 3:2). But since we know of no controversy in this area, this seems unlikely. Dodd obscures the sense by translating the participle erchomenon in the past tense, as if its meaning were simply identical with 1 John 4:2, and then offers the surprising explanation that ‘our author is not skilled in the niceties of the Greek idiom’ (Johannine Epistles, p. 149).
It is far safer, however, to assume that the writer does know the difference between a present participle and a perfect (past tense) and that his intention is to say something beyond what he was saying in 1 John 4:2.”
As those highly trained Greek scholars acknowledge, John is indeed saying something “beyond” his statement in 1 John 4:2! John not only says that Christ has come fully in the human flesh. But God inspired John in this latter passage to reveal that Christ is now coming “in the flesh!”
How?
As we have already seen, Jesus said: “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him” (John 14:23). Through the Holy Spirit, Christ and the Father actually live within the truly converted Christian, guiding him, inspiring him and empowering him to keep the commandments and live God’s way of life!
The Apostle Paul was also inspired to make this very plain when he wrote: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me” (Galatians 2:20, KJV).
That is the “key.” Through the Spirit, Christ will literally live His life in our human flesh! He will give us the strength to obey God’s commandments!
Religious opponents challenge the real Christian by saying: “You can’t keep the Ten Commandments! They are spiritual and you are only physical.” But one who is led by God’s Holy Spirit may truly reply: “You are right. In my own human strength, I can’t. But to the degree I yield to God’s Holy Spirit, I can and I will keep God’s commandments! Christ within me helps me not to kill, steal, lie, commit adultery, covet, dishonor my parents, break God’s Sabbath, practice idolatry, take God’s name in vain or have another ‘god’ before the true God. I may slip in some point occasionally, but I will then repent and confess my sin to God and have His forgiveness (1 John 1:8–9). Then I quickly get back on God’s path and, through His Spirit, grow in grace and knowledge. I am not perfect. But, through Christ living His life within me, I am growing toward perfection and walking in God’s law as my basic way of life.”
Christ Lives Within the True Christian.
The doctrine of Antichrist, then, is that Christ does not literally live His life within His people today! It is the false teaching that Christians today can live a different kind of life from what Jesus lived and still be His true followers. It often includes the idea that Christ was righteous in our stead, and therefore we do not have to be. We just accept Him and His righteousness is imputed to us. Effectively, God “kids Himself” and pretends that we are really righteous when we actually are not!
This doctrine is a damnable lie!
(Unquote)
Have you ever felt like a liar? Have you been in an ongoing situation where your beliefs and power slipped away from you completely (when you should have been a light)? Was Christ in the flesh then?
Mia…..I believe by denying JESUS CAME INTO BEING AS A FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN BEING IS TO DENY THE “MESSIAH”, BECAUSE THE MESSIAH HAS TO BE A MAN, AND COULD NOT BE ANYTHING ELSE, SO TO DENY HIS FLESH EXISTENCE, IS TO DENY HE IS THE CHRIST OR MESSIAH, MKING THAT PERSON AN ANTICHRIST OR ANTI-MESSIAH, OR AGAINST JESUS AS BEING, A MESSIAH or ANOINTED HUMAN BEING.
peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi Mila,
The 10commandments were given to the Jews.
Jesus Christ gave us new commandments.
They are all completed in the law of love.
The Spirit of loves enables us to obey.
It is a delusion to think we can be saved by obedience to their commands.
Hi,
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
The Spirit of God.
If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ he does not belong to him.
Mila…..JESUS IS NOT “THE” CHRISTOS “ANOINTING SPIRIT”, HE IS THE ONE THE CHRISTOS WAS “IN”, GOD THE FATHER IS THE CHRISTOS THAT WAS ABIDING “IN” THE MAN JESUS, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF.
peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
Apparently, it is not “whosoever denies Christ came in the flesh is Antichrist”, but “whosoever denies Christ as coming in the flesh is Antichrist”.
Does it make any difference? Perhaps so. I’ll requote:
http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/booklets/who-or-what-is-the-antichrist/content
In verse 7, John warns that the “deceivers” do not teach “Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.” He describes such teaching as “Antichrist.” The significance of Jesus Christ “as coming in the flesh” is that—as in the original Greek—the present continuous tense is here used, denoting something that is now happening. The well-known Expositor’s Bible Commentary attempts to explain this passage (2 John 7) in the following words: “Curiously the tense is changed from the past tense ‘has come [el luthota] in the flesh’ (1 John 4:2) to the present participle ‘as coming [erchomenon] in the flesh.’ It would be possible, therefore, to interpret this as a reference to Jesus’ return: he is coming (i.e., will come) in the flesh (cf. 1 John 2:28; 3:2). But since we know of no controversy in this area, this seems unlikely. Dodd obscures the sense by translating the participle erchomenon in the past tense, as if its meaning were simply identical with 1 John 4:2, and then offers the surprising explanation that ‘our author is not skilled in the niceties of the Greek idiom’ (Johannine Epistles, p. 149). It is far safer, however, to assume that the writer does know the difference between a present participle and a perfect (past tense) and that his intention is to say something beyond what he was saying in 1 John 4:2.” As those highly trained Greek scholars acknowledge, John is indeed saying something “beyond” his statement in 1 John 4:2! John not only says that Christ has come fully in the human flesh. But God inspired John in this latter passage to reveal that Christ is now coming “in the flesh!” How? As we have already seen, Jesus said: “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him” (John 14:23). Through the Holy Spirit, Christ and the Father actually live within the truly converted Christian, guiding him, inspiring him and empowering him to keep the commandments and live God’s way of life! The Apostle Paul was also inspired to make this very plain when he wrote: “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me” (Galatians 2:20, KJV).
I then said: Have you ever felt like a liar? Have you been in an ongoing situation where your beliefs and power slipped away from you completely (when you should have been a light)? Was Christ in the flesh then? Please think about that!
Miia and anyone else that is concerned.
Interesting, according to 1 John 4:2 Jesus has come and is still in the flesh because the verb is perfect tense and the Koin Greek perfect and English are eqivilent in meaning. So it follows that anyone who claims Jesus is not presently in the flesh is contradicting John’s claim.
1 John 4:2New English Translation (NET Bible)
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God,
Using “is” as “has” is considered bad grammar today but it seems it is actually established grammar from centuries gone as the AV of the KJV does it. We are taught the use of is makes it a simple past which is a clear mistranslated of Koine Greek into English.
Miia and whomever is concerned,
I have to correct myself after doing some research. Has come in the flesh in the flesh means he has come in the flesh but may have since left it or still be in the flesh.
Hi KW,
From your Greek knowledge can you clarify the term
“has come in the flesh”
Does it apply to flesh generally-mankind-or is it specific to Jesus?
Does it mean birth or incarnation?
Nick,
It is general to humankind as we all come in the flesh.
“incarnation” is a joke as all humans are incarnate. After all people seem to know the reincarnation means to be come in the flesh more than once and have no trouble understanding it applies to all humans in some doctrines.
Nick,
Some teach that an God or some other super human being incarnated and that teaching contradicts Scripture which calls Jesus a human being and not some super human being in human flesh.
Hi KW,
We are flesh so we do not come in the flesh.
God was in Christ -and God can be in you to will and to do.
Nick,
We are both spirit and flesh for we are flesh animated by the breath of God.
Paul spoke of being naked. It is the flesh that has clothed him.
Hi KW,
We are soul enlivened by spirit and housed in flesh.
After death hopefully we are soul enlivened by Spirit.
Hi Mila,
The 10commandments were given to the Jews.
Jesus Christ gave us new commandments.
They are all completed in the law of love.
The Spirit of loves enables us to obey.
It is a delusion to think we can be saved by obedience to their commands.
Nick, the 10 commandments were never ever done away with. Scripture says the opposite to you. The overcomers are those who “keep the commandments of God“, and have faith in Jesus.
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