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Now if that which God had made with His hands by Himself, ALONE, He did so FOR Jesus to inherit and have dominion over, then it is absolute truth to say that God made all things by reason of and for Jesus. That is NOT FAKE NEW Proclaimer.
Pay attention and read this slowly so the truth gets a platform.
Colossians 1:16,
“For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him AND for him.”It’s both Jodi. They are not mutually exclusive, which is the crux of your argument.
Hi Gene,
YOU:GOD the Father plainly said he created everything “alone” and by “himself”,
as we have shown you over and over from scripture. But you had rather us believe in a contradiction of scriptures, or use carnel reasoning to cercumvent the truth.
Gene:
DAVID KILLED GOLIATH ALL ALONE,
ALL BY HIMSELF ALSO!
AS MUCH AS GOD CREATED ALL BY HIMSELF ALONE!!!
DID DAVID KILL HIM Gene, or
THE STONE KILLED HIM? Or maybe
THE SLING KILLED HIM?
Gene, I don’t believe that you or Jodi see
GOD’S HIDDEN SPIRITUAL TRUTH IN SCRIPTURE!
YOU SIMPLY ACCEPT ONLY WORLDLY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, WHICH IS NOT OF GOD.
NEVERTHELESS, I REPEAT SYMBOLICALLY:
WHO KILLED Goliath?
SATAN!
(1)DAVID, (in the Spirit of the Father, the man after God’s own heart)
(2)THE STONE, (in the Son of Man, the stone rejected and became the corner stone) OR
(3) THE SLING? ( the Son of God, in the Holy Ghost, hidden and unknown)
In the same way, when we read David’s story, we hardly take notice the sling as much as we do David, and the stone!
NEVERTHELESS:
DAVID KILLED GOLIATH ALL BY HIMSELF!
ALONE!!!
IN THE SAME WAY, GOD ALSO CREATED
ALL BY HIMSELF!
ALONE!!!
Now be aware Gene,
David, a man after God’s own heart (GOD’S HEART IS “THE WORD” JESUS) against Goliath a man after Satan’s own heart represents
GOD/JESUS AGAINST SATAN.
In Hebrew
a STONE or eben, is a contraction of the words
FATHER and SON (av + ben).JESUS: I and the Father are one.
SLING, the Qela, is something that will be used or experienced by someone demonstrating authority who is surprisingly
THE LEAST AND THE LAST.
This DOES NOT ONLY describe David well who was the 8th son of his father Jesse and just an insignificant shepherd boy. Who was, however, the one who demonstrated unquestionable authority as he used his sling to attack and slay Goliath,
BUT THIS ALSO DESCRIBE
THE HOLY GHOST WHO WAS
THE LEAST MENTIONED AND EVIDENT IN SCRIPTURE and also
THE LAST TO COME ON EARTH OFFICIALLY ON PENTECOST,
SENT BY JESUS TO CONFIRM
JESUS’ SOVEREIGNTY OVER ALL BY ALL THE MIRACLES AND DEEDS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AND
TO BE THE MOST EVIDENT, POWERFUL AND IN FULL AUTHORITY.
Now to:
Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17And when they saw him,
they WORSHIPPED him:
AS GODMAN ON EARTH!
but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
AS THE SOLE SOVEREIGN RULER OVER ALL SPIRITS AND FLESH.
The only TRUE God of all FLESH! JOHN17:2.
19 Go ye THEREFORE and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of
(1)the Father, (SPIRIT, DAVID)and
(2)of the Son, (FLESH, the STONE) and of
(3) the Holy Ghost: (all SOULS,
the SOUL of the church; the SLING)
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever
I have commanded you:
and, lo,
I (YOUR LORD GOD) am with you always,
even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Isaiah 40: BE comforted, be comforted, my people, saith your God.
2Speak ye to the heart of Jerusalem,(HUMAN BODY) and call to her: for her evil is come to an end,(IN JESUS AS A HUMAN) her iniquity is forgiven: she hath received of the hand of the Lord double (BOTH SPIRIT and FLESH) for all her sins.
3 The voice of one crying in the desert:
Prepare ye the way of
the Lord,(JESUS CHRIST)
make straight in the wilderness the paths
of our
(HUMAN) God. (JESUS CHRIST)
4Every valley shall be exalted, and
every mountain and hill shall be made low, and
the crooked shall become straight, and
the rough ways plain.
AS OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER OF
THE HUMAN RACE IS ON EARTH FOREVER!
5And the GLORY of the Lord (JESUS CHRIST)shall be
REVEALED,(PRE-EXISTED)
and all flesh together shall see,
that the mouth of
the Lord (JESUS CHRIST)hath
SPOKEN.
WAS GOD ALONE
YES IN
THE FATHER, THE WORD, and THE HOLY GHOST
1John5:7 And there are three who give testimony in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost.
And these three are one.
(IN JESUS CHRIST: GODMAN IN HEAVEN)
8And there are three that give testimony on earth:
the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and
these three are one.
JESUS CHRIST
(GODMAN ON EARTH)
JESUS: YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Berean,
WRONG, YHVH our heavenly Father is the same, He has never changed, you apply the passage to the wrong person.
Jesus DOES change, he goes from a mortal to an immortal being given eternal life, and he is MADE a firstborn of many brethren.
apply other scriptures to Hebrews 1,
Psalms 89:27 Also I will MAKE him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel. (this is speaking likewise of Isaiah 11, where the son of Jesse who has God’s Spirit upon him destroys all enemies)
Psalm 2 we read fulfilled in Acts where Acts quotes this passage. Jesus was raised from the dead begotten by God on that day where he is said to have received the Holy Spirit according to a promise, where he is to be given the throne of his father David and sit upon it according to the flesh. Why Paul tells us that indeed Jesus is a Son of God according to PROPHECY, that his origin is from the seed of David and he is declared to be God’s Son according to the Spirit BY HIS RESURRECTION from the dead.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
Berean, JESUS IS IDENTIFIED in Hebrews 1 AS GOD’S SON according to the above passages, according to prophecy, where first you have a son of David and THEN God becomes a Father to him.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Berean, Hebrews 1 doesn’t teach that Jesus is the same whose years never fail him, it teaches that he is the man of prophecy who DIED and was raised being MADE into God’s firstborn, one of many eternal Sons.
It’s both Jodi. They are not mutually exclusive, which is the crux of your argument. You are playing one off against the other. You also do this with Jesus being the son of man and the son of God. You focus on one aspect and use that to disavow the other. Do you even realise you do this or have you been doing it for so long that you don’t notice that you have even deceived yourself? Remember. Just because a person is blind to something doesn’t make it invisible to others.
Proclaimer,
YOU:
Pay attention and read this slowly so the truth gets a platform.
Colossians 1:16,
“For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him AND for him.”It’s both Jodi. They are not mutually exclusive, which is the crux of your argument.
ME:
“For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him AND for him.”
“him” I define as the man whom God had declared from the beginning would come and execute God’s purpose for creating all things in the first place.
Without this man nothing would have been made that was made, for God chose one man to bring forth salvation, righteousness and life. By this man’s blood there is reconciliation and justification, thus all things consist in him, for without him there would only be a future of destruction and death.
God created all things alone by Himself, for the purpose that earth would be inhabited, for the purpose that all flesh would worship Him and that He would be all in all. God created man for the purpose to inherit His Spirit and dwell on earth existing thus in His image for all eternity.
all things have been created by reason of ONE MAN, for not only does that ONE MAN execute God’s purpose, but that ONE MAN is made into the image that ALL of mankind is to become.
and
all things have been created FOR this ONE MAN, because this man inherits all things as the king and lord who is to reign over it all.
Proclaimer,
I do no such thing as to what you speak of, you fail to apply scripture with scripture, that is the PROBLEM here.
Seriously, how more clear can it be, YHVH created heaven and earth ALONE by HIMSELF.
You have scripture that speaks of YHVH as the Creator, His Hands, His Wisdom, His Power, His Voice, where directly after He declares that He created all things He is declaring that a man is going to come and execute the very purpose as to why He created all things in the first place.
Proclaimer,
It is totally your own delusional thinking that I play “one off against the other”.
1 Chronicles 17 tells you that God promised that He would be a Father unto David’s Son. That makes a Son of Man a Son of God. That’s not playing one against the other.
Hebrews 1 directly identifies Jesus as THIS Son of Man being a Son of God from this prophecy given in 1 Chronicles 17.
Romans 1 tells you that the Son of God is according to prophecy, he was made of the seed of David and declared to be God’s Son according to the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead. That makes a Son of Man a Son of God. That’s not playing one against the other.
Acts 13 you have a son of David who is raised from the dead where his flesh has not been allowed to see decay and God declares that on that day He has begotten this son of David, fulfilling an oath that God had sworn to David concerning David’s seed.
To All,
Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man (Anthropos/human), Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Romans 5 speaks of two humans.
These two humans are not to be differentiated by one being only human and the other being more than a human.
Romans 5 is about two humans, and these humans are different from one another by reason of the kind of relationship and purpose God had with them.
Jesus CHRIST is called a human in Romans 5, for Jesus was the human God ANOINTED with His Spirit at the river Jordan and then sent out into the world.
This wasn’t a human Messiah like any other previous human Messiahs, his anointing was not like any other anointing, he was an only one whom was begotten of the Spirit not by measure. Solomon, the SON OF GOD was begotten of the Spirit of Wisdom, and so too was Jesus, along with all other measures of God’s Spirit. Jesus was the only begotten Son, the only Son begotten of the Spirit without measure.
Jesus was the only human begotten of the Spirit sent out into the world for the purpose to be a savior for both Israel and the Gentiles, having been anointed and sent TO save through preaching God’s word and TO save through setting captives free.
Jesus is the son of David to whom according to a promise God raised up to be a savior. BEFORE his coming John the baptist prepared his way and then was a witness telling us that this Jesus to whom the Spirit descended upon and came to abode in him IS he who is the Son of God.
“For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him AND for him.”
Yes the universe was made for him. But don’t forget that the universe was also made through him.
The universe was made through the Word and through Jesus Christ, the son of God. And his name is the Word of God. You already admit that is his name. The facts are staring you in the face. It’s up to you to open your eyes. I can’t do that for you.
Hi Proclaimer,
Interesting how you keep denying YHVH’s word that He created all things ALONE, all by Himself, not by means of Jesus, not by means of a Son, but by means of HIS POWER, HIS WISDOM, HIS VOICE, HIS HANDS we are directly told.
You seem to deny also the word given as to His purpose as to why He created all things ALONE in the first place.
In more than one OT passage, immediately after YHVH speaks about how He created all things, He then speaks of the man who would come and execute His purpose for creating all things. We later read of this man being exhalted to God’s right hand and this man returning to earth to sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh.
Also in an OT passage after we are told that YHVH is our Creator we are immediately told that He is going to give dominion over the works of His hands to a man.
None of what we are given in the OT speaking of who created all things, lines up at all with what you say, it’s actually directly against what you say.
Why be silly about this jodi?
Who created you?
God did right?
Did he create you alone?
If yes, then obviously your parents never created you right?
But they were certainly the agent that God created you through right?
See? Not so hard after all is it?
God created all things through the Word.
God created all things through Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is called the Word of God.
It’s staring you in the face.
I have led you to water. Up to you whether you drink or not.
It’s fine with me if you remain parched on the bank of a reservoir.
Your choice because you have free will.
Up to you now.
Proclaimer,
YOU:
Yes the universe was made for him. But don’t forget that the universe was also made through him.
The universe was made through the Word and through Jesus Christ, the son of God. And his name is the Word of God. You already admit that is his name. The facts are staring you in the face. It’s up to you to open your eyes. I can’t do that for you.
ME:
Yes, the universe was made for him, for the Son of Man Jesus of Nazareth. For YHVH had promised that this Son of Man would be given dominion overall the works that YHVH had made alone, by Himself. With that dominion Jesus would sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh being a Son of God according to the Spirit, ruling as a king of kings and a lord of lords. YHVH made all things alone by Himself knowing that the Son of Man Jesus would rule over it all having His Spirit upon him directing all his ways.
Yes, the universe was made through/BY REASON OF HIM, for without the Son of Man who would bring forth God’s word from the beginning, eternal life, nothing would have been made that was made.
Proclaimer,
God chose to save the world BY MEANS OF ONE MAN where that ONE MAN would be a savior because God’s Spirit could direct all his ways. By reason of this man thus God made the worlds because God knew that because of His Spirit upon him He could bring forth righteousness and life.
Hi Proclaimer,
Actually, after slowly and carefully reading through Revelation 19 my understanding of that verse has changed, and I have actually given several posts more recently about it.
God’s word is that He is our salvation and that word of God just happens to be the meaning to the name Jesus, thus Jesus’s name can be called the word of God.
Apply that same truth to below,
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called the word of God….16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
his NAME that is written is King of kings and Lord of lords, that name is called God’s word, for God had promised that Jesus would be made a King higher than all kings and that he would be a lord overall the earth.
Proclaimer, even if you want to argue and say NO, his name is called the word of God meaning that his actual name to be called is “The Word of God”, to me that is hardly any proof that “The Word of God” as a given name unto Jesus then equates him to represent “The Word” in John 1, as if “The Word” in John 1 also represents a name instead of representing God’s actual spoken word.
Jodi
You
WRONG, YHVH our heavenly Father is the same, He has never changed, you apply the passage to the wrong person.
Me
It’ IS not me but the author of <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Hebrews</span>
<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.</span>
And that follows Chapter 1 :12which says:
You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed; but You remain the same, and Your years will never end.”
To all……God the Father created everything alone and by himself, he did it for a purpose, that purpose was for Mankind , all of MANKIND. IT WAS HIS PLAN IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF HIS PRHSICAL CREATION . HEBREWS tells us that,
Heb 2:5-10……For unto the Angels has he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But on in a certain place testified, saying, what is man, that you are mindful of him? OR the son of man, that you visite him? YOU made him a little lower then the angels; thou crowned him with Glory and honour, “AND” did put him (mankind) over the works of your hands. You have put “ALL” things in subjection under him (mankind’s) feet . For in that he (God) put “ALL” in subjection under him (mankind), he left “NOTHING” that is not put under him (mankind) .
The above is talking about mankind in a general sense, now we move on showing that all thing are not “Yet” put under “mankind’s ” feet, But “now” we see not “yet” “ALL” THINGS put under him (mankind)?
But what do we “now” see,
Heb 2:9…..But we see Jesus , (a man just like us) who was made a little lower then the angels (exactly like us) for the suffering of death , (exactly like us) crowned with glory and honour; that he (Jesus) by the “grace of God” , should taste death for every man.
Heb 2: 10……For it became him (God the Father ) , for whom are “ALL” things , and by whom are “All” things , in brining “MANY” SONS unto glory, to make the “captain” (Jesus Christ ) of their salvation “perfect” (how?) Through sufferings.
Heb 2: 11……For “BOTH” he that sanctify’s and they that are sanctified are “ALL” of “One” : , (the exact same human existence) for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethern.
Heb 2: 18……For verily he (Jesus) took not on the nature of angels; but he took on him the “SEED OF ABRAHAM. Wherefore in “all’ things it “BEHOVED HIM” , to be made like unto HIS BROTHERS, that he might be a merciful and faithful “HIGH PRIEST ” in things pertaining to GOD, to make reconciliation for sins of the people.
Question , why would it “BEHOVE” HIM, If he were already a prexisting God or creator of this whole world and everything in it., being made like a man sure would not behove a God Or “preexisting being” , no it wouldn’t, but it certainly would behoved a “human being” .
Anyone with any truth in them can read this and understand Jesus was real human being , who never preexisted his birth on this earth, and that his destiny was and is the exact same as ours is. In every way. You should also be able to see that it was GOD THE FATHER , WHO CREATED EVERYTHING and brought everything into existence when he wanted to even “the man” form mankind Jesus.
Peace and love to you all and yours. ……….gene
Proclaimer,
YOU:
God created all things through the Word.
ME:
God created all things BY MEANS of HIS Powerful WORD as God’s Spirit is so powerful that which God SPEAKS cannot be held back.
Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. …12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host HAVE I COMMANDED.
Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Jesus said,
Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Proclaimer, Jesus wants us to READ the OT scriptures wherein we read and should know that God created all things ALONE, by His own powerful word, God spoke and made them male and female.
Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
Jodi
Gene
As long as you miss the first step (Christ’s divinity) you continue to wander believing you are on the right track … sad to say, but it is reality.
13:8: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Proclaimer,
YOU:
God created all things through the Word.
God created all things through Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is called the Word of God.
It’s staring you in the face.
ME:
God created all things BY MEANS OF HIS Powerful WORD as God’s Spirit is so powerful that which God SPEAKS cannot be held back.
God created all things BY REASON OF Jesus Christ, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren who inhabit the earth living in eternal righteousness by having God’s Spirit upon them.
God created all things FOR Jesus Christ, for he who shed his blood has a name that is written, a name that is called the word of God, “King of kings and Lord of lords”. For the word of God spoken by the prophets was that God would give dominion of all the works of His hands that He had made by Himself, over to the anointed son of David. God’s WORD was He would be a Father to this son of David and give him an eternal throne, make him His firstborn, higher than all the kings of the earth.
Proclaimer, Berean, Carmel, Edj, what Jodi and I are telling you is the truth.
JESUS DID NOT CREATE , “ANYTHING “, NOR DID HE “HIMSELF”DO ANY MIRACLES.
He subject to God the Father “exactly” the same as we are.
Jesus is a “son of (from) mankind” , of the “seed of Abraham”, a human being . Just as he said he is. He Can do nothing of himself, just as we can do nothing of our selves either.
Making Jesus out to be more then a human being, whom God has impowered and exhulted to where he now sits, is not only a disgrace to God and his work in humanity, but also to humanity itself, who God created in his own image.
God’s purpose was for a perfect human race, that perfection was accomplished in the “man’, Jesus. And shall be accomplished in all he choses to perfect, Jesus being the first, but not the only human that will reach perfection, Jesus is just, “the first of many”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
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