John 18:5-6

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  • #793280
    DavidL
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    you know the answer – you just can’t face it…you are afraid..!!

    #793281
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Why would they say stuff that belongs to the teacher?

    They are students.

    #793282
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Afraid of what?

    Your speculations are of man.

     

    Fear God

    #793283
    DavidL
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    are you afraid your phony doctrines will finally be exposed..?

    #793284
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    The Word of God taught about heavenly things that only the Spirit had insights into.

    We can only see in part.

    #793285
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Happy to have any phony things exposed.

    You cast the trinity out of your eye and you will be in a better position to do so.

    #793286
    DavidL
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    I think you are making it up as you go…

    #793287
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    You should reflect a bit.

    In defence of what you hold dear you have never done so and prefer to attack people.

    #793288
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Should we consult the catholic theologians before we read scripture?

    Should we follow the speculations of foolish men?

    #793289
    DavidL
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    anti-trinity bias has twisted your thinking – just like t8..

    #793290
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    If you are of the Spirit as you claim I think we would have seen a different response.

    #793291
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    No we are positive people but we hate to see guys like you ensnared with the ideas of fools.

    Freedom is the plan.

    #793292
    DavidL
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    ideas of fools…?

    ..you are very opinionated about everyone else’s beliefs, especially when it comes to the trinity (which I have no problem with because I have not brought into extra-Biblical teachings or the studies of men…rather I have relied on Scripture to guide me)…

    You obviously have a big problem with the trinity, which has caused you to view Scripture in this biased context…

    ..you need to re-evaluate your own relationship first, before trying to correct others – because you will never see the truth with a biased heart..

     

    If you are not born of the Spirit, Nick – how can you help those who are…?

    #793293
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    Should we not be passionate in our defence of what is written?

    Should we tolerate what fools do to the sacred words?

    Does God approve of this trinity nonsense?

     

    Offering yourself as an example probably is not wise.

    #793294
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    You came to the idea of trinity yourself by reading the scriptures?

    Rediscovered the wheel?

    amazing

    #793295
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    A problem with the trinity?

    What trinity?

     

    Jesus is our teacher and never mentioned it.

    To whom else should we go?

     

    Speculation leads to darkening of the minds-and other problems.

     

    #793297
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    ”that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.”..

     

    Indeed the Spirit of Christ is one with the Spirit of truth from the Father.

    And in Christ we can share that unity.

    In him we are seated in heavenly places already .[eph 2.6]

    #793326
    kerwin
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    DavidH,

    Jesus constantly spoke in ways that Spiritual and so hard to understand for those who do not look at them in Spiritual ways.

    If you believe what Jesus stated then you also believe that any full mature believer can say “I and the Father are one”, “I and Jesus are one”, or “I am one with the Father and Jesus”. I cannot say any of those things because I am not fully mature in Christ.

    I cannot say “I have been he since before Abraham was made” because I am not the one God chose to put his Spirit on in order to serve as the Savior of the world. I am not that important that the Jews have looking forward to my time. God has known me since before Abraham was made so there is something I can say that is equivalent but I applies to my role ybut I lack the knowledge of the role that he has had since before the world began.

    Anyone who is fully mature in Christ reveals who both Christ and God are. Paul, Peter, John, Mark, Luke, Jude, James, Matthew, and anyone else that wrote the NT reveal who both Jesus and God are revealed through their words and their actions that are not sinful.

    Very few of their sinful words or actions are recorded in Scripture.

    #793334
    NickHassan
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    Hi,

    We are only given an earnest of the Spirit as God’s initial investment in us.

    It is up to us to build on that gift by asking seeking and knocking.

    If we grow in grace we will become more useful to God.

    #793351
    DavidL
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    Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.

     

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