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Charles,
When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AS YOU CAN READ THERE IS THE WORD “ALL” WHICH IS ALLOCATED TO THE SONS OF GOD ONLY!
If the morning stars are not literally the stars that show in the sky of Israel in the morning then they may also be part of the group that is called sons of God. Sons of God is a title given to those who live by the Spirit or those that are credited with doing so.
The WORD made flesh has been ignored for 2000years and they can not understand how, and why?
The written WORD is God’s WORD. Ignoring it; equals ignoring the WORD of GOD.
In the beginning was the WORD, of GOD. God’s WORD was with God.
GOD’S WORD was GOD.
Ignoring GOD’S spoken WORD is THE SAME AS ignoring GOD.
Ignoring the WORD made flesh equals ignoring the MAN JESUS; now in heaven.
This they can not see, because of the covering vail. Because of the oppressors.The WORD of GOD is the old and new testament.
And all the prophesies included. All that is written in the Holy Bible.
They have even ignored some of the WORDS written in the new testament, because of the strong wine.
They worship their imaginary Jesus, Not the real Jesus. Because they have ignored the flesh of the real Jesus.
They have watered down the real flesh and blood of Jesus with some of their own concoctions.
And have swallowed that instead, not knowing, and not caring if it is polluted or not; just swallowed it up.
And feeling good and justified, and righteous. Not knowing that they are worshipping another Jesus and another gospel.
Woe; the fire of purification is going to be very hot for you, and is coming soon.
Get yourself prepared; unless you repent and start eating and drinking HIS real blood.
Spue out the strong wine; and start eating and drinking HIS REAL FLESH AND BLOOD which is everlasting life.
The written WORD is The WORD of GOD that was made flesh and spoke verbally.
Can you understand that; can you not?Shalom.
wakeup.Hi WU,
Then comes obedience to the commands
Then you can see the kingdom.
Until you obey them the food can do you no good but just remove excuses.
God uses very harsh words concerning the truth.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved..
THE TRUTH WILL SAVE LIVES.2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
ANYONE WITH NO TRUTH WILL BELIEVE A LIE.2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
ANYONE THAT BELIEVE NOT THE TRUTH WILL BE DAMNED2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
TRUE; BUT EACH OF US WILL NOT KNOW, IF WE DONT HAVE THE TRUTH2 Thessalonians 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
WE ARE CALLED BY THE GOSPELS; BUT WE ALSO DO IGNORE SOME SCRIPTURES IN THE GOSPELS?2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
TAUGHT OF THE FULL MEASURE OF THE WORD OF GOD, NOT WATERED DOWN.2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
HOPING THAT WE WILL BE ACCEPTED IN THE RESURRECTION.2 Thessalonians 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
COMFORTH YOUR SELFVES BY PURE GOLD TRIED BY FIRE; NOT BY FOOLSE GOLD.wakeup.
In a closed discussion between @Lightenup and @bodhitharta, @Lightenup wrote :
Sometimes ‘eternal’ does mean always existent. The eternal life that is spoken about in 1 John 1 is Jesus and the Bible clearly tells us that He is the source of life. The source of life would not have a source of his life or that source would be the source of life.
Acts 3:15 and you killed the source of life, whom God raised from the dead. We are witnesses to that.
Her case was not made. Because to read Acts 3:15 and to come to the conclusion about it referring to Jesus as the source of life, and then somehow try and show that the verse is implying that Jesus IS God, would be to read more into the verse than is appropriate; To do that from this verse would be to ignore the context of the Gospel – which is that we only truly live, or have life because of Christ (spiritual sense), and also, that we only receive life through Christ (eternal sense).
There’s nothing about Acts 3:15 that proves Lightenup’s case. But rather, this verse simply clarifies who Jesus is to the world – which is the source of our life – for without him we are dead, spiritually, and will eventually be dead, literally and eternally.
Philippians 1:21
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.Hebrews 5:9
In this way, God qualified him as a perfect High Priest, and he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him.So the Gospel is saying that as far as us having life (in a spiritual and eternal sense,) Jesus is the only source. Because we cannot receive anything without going through Christ – this is God’s will. God gave Him all authority..so as far as we’re concerned Jesus IS the source of life – because if we do not accept God’s Son as Lord, God will not allow us to live.
It would be as if God had made one of us Messiah. That person, from that point on, would have been called the source of life.
There is nothing in Acts 3:15 that makes the case that Jesus was always the source of life – but rather, He (Christ) NOW, as far as we’re concerned, IS the source of life.
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GrasshopperKerwin,
It would be extremely difficult to debate a gnostic who believes the old testament’s God is Satan, himself. Wicked and puffed up servants are they who put their faith, not in the teachings of the scriptures, but of their own understanding.
Its a shame that this thread was intended to show who the Word was before he became flesh, but instead gave a skeptical Trinitarian no reason to see his fault.
Anastas,
Thank you for you advice.
It appears to my eyes that he is no open to seeking God or his kingdom but perhaps my words will be used to bring him to that point at a later time. In the meantime I can use the discussion to learn more of those things that are beneficial to my own search though that may not be his intent.
<h3>Quoted from the Word of YHVH Bible available for free download at http://www.fireofthelord.com</h3>
<h3>John 1</h3>
<sup>1—</sup>In the beginning was the word, and the word was with YHVH Elohim, and the word was YHVH. <sup>2—</sup>His word was in the beginning within YHVH. <sup>3—</sup>All things were made by reason of YHVH and without YHVH was not anything made that was made. <sup>4—</sup>In YHVH is his Spirit; and his Spirit is the light of men. <sup>5—</sup>And the light of his Spirit shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand.—-
Note for John 1:1-5— (see also 1John 1:5) John 1:1-5 are pivotal verses in understanding who YHVH is. The Greek words “zoe” translated to life and “phos” translated to light give verses 4 and 5 a very definitive meaning. The life of a person is in the spirit. YaHavah’s Spirit is more than life, it is light in the darkness, thus John 1:4-5 expresses YaHavah’s life and light.
The gospel of John tells us about rebirth in the Spirit of YaHavah as represented by the face of an eagle on the fourth Living Creature of Ezekiel. Please refer to the New Testament introduction and table of the four gospels.
John wrote a progression of thought to show his readers that YHVH, his word, and his Spirit are one. (1John 5:6-8) What is in the thoughts and heart of YaHavah, he will accomplish. His reasoning is his thoughts and heart; they are YHVH.
These verses testify that YHVH, his word, and his Spirit are one. John said the same thing in his first epistle in verse 7. 1John 5:7— For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, his word, and his Holy Spirit: and these three are one. The Father manifests the thoughts of his heart by the omnipotence and omnipresence of his Spirit. YaHavah is one. We have one Supreme Deity whose name in Hebrew is YHVH (YaHavah).
John declared the truth of Genesis 1:1-5 and 2:4-5. YHVH is the beginning and He is the end. Literally, the spoken word of YHVH created all and the spoken word of YHVH will judge all. Jesus was conceived in the womb of a virgin by the spoken word of YHVH. Some have placed a metaphoric meaning to John 1:1 calling Jesus YHVH’s Word. But John makes it very clear that YHVH and his (spoken) word are the same. His words come from him even if they are spoken by his chosen prophets or his son.
Jesus is the core of YHVH’s plan of salvation and He is “YHVH with us” by the omnipresence of the Spirit of YHVH (anointed). “YHVH with us” or as commonly stated “God with us” was manifested in the anointing of the seven spirits of YHVH. All of the following references explain what the anointing is and the sequence of fulfillment:
- Isaiah 11:1-2—Promised anointing of Jesus in the seven spirits of YaHavah
- Daniel 9:24—Prophesied anointing of Jesus called the Holy one
- Matthew 3:16-17—Fulfillment of the anointing represented by the descending dove and voice of YHVH. Even so, Jesus was filled with the Spirit of YHVH from the day of his birth. (Luke 1:15)
- John 3:5-8—Jesus told his disciples that one must be born again in the spirit
- Revelation 5:6—Jesus ascended to heaven to receive the Kingdom of YHVH and release the outpouring of the seven spirit anointing to all who accept the whole truth of Jesus Christ
- Acts 2:1-4—Fulfillment of the outpouring of the seven spirit anointing represented by the wind in the upper room and flames on the heads of the disciples. One must be born again in the Spirit of YaHavah to see the Kingdom of YHVH.
- The seven spirits are demonstrated in Proverbs 8.
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PBTB
SORRY BUT TO ME John 1;1 reads ;
Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was “a” God.
Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.for the beginning in verse one is not the same beginning in verse two ,
and the rest of your explanation is only a men made interpretation what is not reflecting God ‘s glory
John 1:1- is a passage that many debate but their is no debate that Jesus Christ is a human being born under the law and born of a woman.
Hi KW,
Jesus was born of Mary.
Known in prophecy from birth as Christ
But he was only the anointed one from the Jordan.
PBTB…….I AGREE WITH YOU GOD AND HIS WORD ARE ONE AND THE SAME, JUST AS WE AND OUR WORDS ARE ONE AND THE SAME. Many think John 1:1 is referencing two different being , but nothing could be more wrong. TRINITARIANS us it to try to justify a triune God others here use it to try to justify that Jesus was a preexisting God of some kind. Most here do not understand that there are seven spirits of GOD even though scripture is clear reguarding them. I think our understandings are close. JESUS recieved the spirits of God when he was anointed at tge Jordan River. Jesus said over and over that God the Father was “in” him, God who is spirit indwelt Jesus , Jesus also said hecoulddo nothing of himself, the Father who was “in” him did the works.
There is “only” one God and “one” meadiator, between God and man , the “man” Jesus the anointed one who is called the Christ. IMO
PEACE and love to you and yours. ………………..gene
Hi GB,
The seven angels of God?
Where is God said to have seven SPIRITS and where are supporting verses?
1Cor 12 and eph 4 make it very plain the Spirit of God is ONE.
Or is this another of your own ideas dressed as truth?
Hi,
Is the WORD a being?
The WORD that proceeded from God?
The WORD that had life in himself?
The WORD that became for us the source of eternal life?
Rev 1:4……JOHN to the seven church’s which are in Asia, Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is and which was, and which is to come, and from the SEVEN SPIRITS which ARE before his THRONE.
REV 3:3….AND unto the angel of the church in Sardis write, these things says he that has the “SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD”, and the seven stars, I know your works,that you have a name that you live, and are dead.
NICK……Its not my fault you dont know what spirits are or what intellects each contributes to our mental thinking. One being can have many spirits effecting him and supplying it’s particular intellects into his mind, that is how i know where your accusitory spirit comes from. You words, those, (intellegent utterances), give the spirits working in you away. But to show you there scripture the says there ARE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD. Read below and this time try to truly study them this time.Rev 4:3…..AND out of the trhone, proceeded lightinings and thunderings and voices: and the were SEVEN LAMPS OF FIRE burning before the throne, which ARE the “SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD” .
REV 5:6…..AND I beheld and lo, in the midest of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns (symbolic for powers) and SEVEN EYES (SYMBOLIC FOR TYPES OF DESTINC INTELLECTS THAT ENLIGHTEN THE MIND) which ARE THE “SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD” (now pay attintion Nick,) sent forth INTO “ALL” the earth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
Nick……JESUS HAS ALL SEVEN OF GOD’S SPIRITS “IN” HIM they ACT as EYES that give him his understandings, THOSE SPIRITS REPRESENT THE FULLNESS OF GOD. EACH SPIRIT REPRESENTS A DESTINCT TYPE AND KIND OF GODS OWN “INTELLECT, and by them JESUS SHALL SET UP AND RULE THE KINGDOM OF GOD until he turns it all over to GOD THE FATHER at the end of his thousand year reign, and become subject to the FATHER LIKE ALL OTHERS WILL BE.
hi GB,
These teachings are not from the Spirit but your own intellect.
Each church has an angel assigned to it, not an aspect of the mind of God.
Nick…..the word angel is not referencing a spirit, at all but a messenger , a gels are not spirits eventhough GOD MAKES THEIR SPIRITS THEY HAVE IN THEM. FACE ITNICK YOU HAVEN’T A CLUE WHAT A SPIRIT EVEN IS. DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THESPIRIT OF WISDOM IS A ANGEL, OR THE SPIRITOF A SOUND MIND IS AN ANGEL, OR THE SPIRIT OF THE FEAR OF THE LORD IS AN ANGEL, OR A UNCLEAN SPIRIT IS AN ANGEL, Or the spirit of truth is an angel?
TELL ME WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO YOU, ISA 11:1……An the SPIRIT OF THE LORD, SHALL REST upon him, the SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, the SPIRIT OF COUNSEL and MIGHT, the SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE and of the FEAR OF THE LORD; AND SHALL MAKE HIM OF QUICK UNDERSTANDING.
AND YOU HAVETHE NERVE TO SAY SPIRITS ARE NOT INTELLECTS GIVEN TO US. SO TELL US WHAT ARE THOSE SPIRIT THAT ARE UPON HIM DOING IF NOT IMPARTING TO HIM THEIR INTELLECTS? DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY ARE ANGELS, ASYOU LIE ABOUT THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD BEING ANGELS.
YOUR TEACHINGS ABOUT ANGELS BEING SPIRITS ARE WHAT IS FALSE, teachings and not found in scriptures. Show us where scripture say angels are spirits, your speculations are from yourself and are not true.
peace and love to you and yours. ………………..gene
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