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Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,04:01) Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,21:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,11:06) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,05:55) is God NOT ALL POWERFUL by nature/essence?
Yes jammin,GOD is indeed all powerful.
Unfortunately for your silly little doctrine, JESUS is clearly NOT all powerful – and therefore NOT “God”.
and you told me that jesus is equal with God in essence. hahahah.
therefore, if God is the father is all powerful by essence, the son is also all powerful.
Jammin,If you are correct then clearly he must not be including all powerful in the essence of God he sees Jesus as being equal to God in. It is easy to understand. When you stumble on the easy stuff how can you expect to understand the harder stuff?
no bible scholars will agree to you people. all powerful is part of God's essence.you cant say you are equal with God in essence if you do not have that characteristic.
NOWHERE in the bible you can find that an angel or human being equal with God in essence. ONLY CHRIST is equal with God in essence because he is THE ONLY SON OF GOD. he is LIKE HIS FATHER. they have the same nature.
you and mike are not making any sense hahahaha
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing. Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in.
according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature.the bible says
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (NIV)6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
Philippians 2:6
Amplified Bible (AMP)6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],
it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature.
if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said…
phil 2.7
He became like men and was born a human being.do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying?
i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said.
HE is God, john said.
he is God by nature, paul said.therefore, you are wrong.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2014,12:29) Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,09:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,11:06) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,05:55) is God NOT ALL POWERFUL by nature/essence?
Yes jammin,GOD is indeed all powerful.
Unfortunately for your silly little doctrine, JESUS is clearly NOT all powerful – and therefore NOT “God”.
and you told me that jesus is equal with God in essence. hahahah.
therefore, if God is the father is all powerful by essence, the son is also all powerful.
So then the question becomes……….. IS the Son all-powerful?The scriptures say NO.
End of discussion, right?
the bible said YES he is all powerfulRevelation 1:8
The Voice (VOICE)Lord God: 8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the very beginning and the very end,][a] the One who is, the One who was, and the One who is coming: the All Powerful.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
I am Alpha and Omega,…. These are the words of Christ himself, appearing at once, and confirming what John had said of him, concerning his person, offices, and future coming:
sorry boy but you need to make your own bible. you do not understand the TRUE meaning of God's word.
you told me Christ is equal with God and you are not making any sense if you do not accept christ being all powerful just like his father. why say EQUAL with God if he does not have the same characteristic?
nowhere in the bible can you find that angels and humans are equal with God. only Christ is equal with God in essence.
make your own bible hhaahhaa
Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,04:12) Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,21:58) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,06:26) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,17:42) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:35) Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37) it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.
so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?
if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not
Jammin,When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another. Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.
If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do.
So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power. So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.
You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that. In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.
Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant. That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us.
It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do. Do not make it hard to understand.
no. why? because the president is STILL NOT ALL POWERFUL unless he is God by nature. a human nature is not ALL POWERFUL. you cant say ALL POWERFUL if you have limitations and that is human nature.the bible tells us that jesus took the HUMAN form. it is clear that before he took the human nature, he was in the form of God and was EQUAL with God . i am not saying this just because i want to but because this is the doctrine of the bible. paul said Christ is God just like his father. phil 2.6
thomas said Jesus is HIS LORD AND GOD john 20.28
the jews understood that Christ claimed to be God and equal with God and that is the reason why they want to kill him!
john 5.18
New International Version
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
but said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him “my Father”, and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works:
making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more, and had they imagined that he intended no more by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned (d).
Jammin,Gill is using nature to define nature which makes me thing he does not know what it means. He is giving commentary to make his point of view more clear and that does not make it more clear. Let is stick to your point of view as I already know Gill is by point of view a trinitarian.
You are clearly having trouble communicating your idea but it seems to me that you are trying to make the point that “power” is not the essential nature you are speaking of but unlimited power vs limited power is a characteristic of the essence you are talking about. So you claim Jesus was all powerful on earth even though he himself said after his resurrection and before his ascension that he was appointed by God as Lord of all things in heaven and on earth. In that statement he was clearly not the one that had the power to appoint him to that position nor is their any evidence he was given that power to appoint another to that position. Since he did not have that power and God did that means his power is limited and God's is not.
You will not find a flaw in my claim that a characteristic of the nature of God Jesus existed in what to be righteous as Yahweh is as Jesus has never sinned even as Jehovah has never sinned.
let us make this simple. i do not want things to be complicated.is all powerful part of God's essence/nature?
yes or no?
is MAN all pwoerful by nature/essence? yes or no?
is the president all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
are you all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
i will give you 1m yrs to answer my questions
Jaminnthose are the most stupid questions I ever seen ,
the only reason you quote these is because you cannot answer Kerwin and Mike questions from scriptures so you have to use some clever wording what is so irrelevant to the scriptures that their is no support for them ,
your attitude is the one that really hurt you ,you do not believe scriptures but only your religion ,
it is because you CANT answer the questions.ill repeat
is the president all powerful? yes or no?
are you all powerful? yes or no?
kerwin, im still waiting for you to answer these qu
estionsmikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Charles, save your breath. Jesus and I both have the same one Almighty God. Mike,
YOU ARE WRONG!
AS A HUMAN:
YOU HAVE ONLY ONE FATHER!
YOU HAVE ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD!
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
NO JESUS CHRIST
NO GOD ALMIGHTY!
NEVER MIND YOUR BOGUS MENTALITY THAT YOU AND JESUS BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOD ALMIGHTY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 19 2014,21:55) mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Charles, save your breath. Jesus and I both have the same one Almighty God. Mike,
YOU ARE WRONG!
AS A HUMAN:
YOU HAVE ONLY ONE FATHER!
YOU HAVE ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD!
THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!
NO JESUS CHRIST
NO GOD ALMIGHTY!
NEVER MIND YOUR BOGUS MENTALITY THAT YOU AND JESUS BOTH HAVE THE SAME GOD ALMIGHTY!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,Jesus said the his God an Father was the same God and Father of his disciples. You say Jesus told an untruth. I choose to believe to believe Jesus spoke truth.
mikeboll64,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus is the Son, Servant, Messiah, Priest, and Prophet of God Almighty, Charles. Mike,
YOUR INTENTION IS CLEAR!
YOU ARE NOT READY TO DISCUSS THINGS TO REVEAL THE TRUTH!
READ THIS ONE NOW:
Philippians 2:6Who being in the
FORM OF GOD FOR YOU HE IS NOT EQUAL WITH GOD, FOR ME HE IS EQUAL WITH GOD
, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: CONFIRMED, AND IN FACT 7But emptied himself, taking the
FORM OF A SERVANT for you he IS a servant, BUT IN THE ABOVE CASE, FORM OF GOD, HE IS NOT GOD
FOR ME HE IS NOT A SERVANT SCRIPTURALLY, BUT
DELIBERATELY LOWERED HIMSELF FROM GOD' STATE AND OPTED TO BE A SERVANT!
THAT’S THE TRUTH!
NOW WHAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU ARE NOT CONSISTANT IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING
THAT THE PHRASE “IN THE FORM OF” WHEN IT REFERS TO GOD IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE IS GOD
AND WHEN THE PHRASE “IN THE FORM OF” REFERS TO A SERVANT HE IS A SERVANT?
CAN THE SAME PHRASE CONTRADICT ITSELF? THEY ARE EITHER BOTH NEGATIVE, OR BOTH POSITIVE!
Quote You are out there in la-la land, and very rarely does anything you post even have a HINT of scriptural truth to it. AREN'T YOU IN A LA-LA LAND YOURSELF, AND NOT A HINT OF TRUTH WITH THE ABOVE?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing. Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in.
according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature.the bible says
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (NIV)6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
Philippians 2:6
Amplified Bible (AMP)6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],
it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature.
if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said…
phil 2.7
He became like men and was born a human being.do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying?
i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said.
HE is God, john said.
he is God by nature, paul said.therefore, you are wrong.
Jammin,What is clear is that none of these prove anything as the amplified includes in line cometary. For example “[[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God]”
“Except for the “which make God God” comment it is pretty much line. I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful and Jesus was tempted by evil which proves that claim is false.
What Scripture states is “that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”, Ephesians 3:19 NIV and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”, Colossians 2:9 NIV.
In short Jesus has continually possessed the fullness of the attributes of God and it is his hope that we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God.
Jammin,
Quote Revelation 1:8
The Voice (VOICE)Lord God: 8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the very beginning and the very end,][a] the One who is, the One who was, and the One who is coming: the All Powerful.
What end as there is eternal life. I doubt there was even a beginning.
kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus said the his God an Father was the same God and Father of his disciples. You say Jesus told an untruth. I choose to believe to believe Jesus spoke truth. Kerwin,
I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOU OWN VERSION!
SCRIPTURE'S ONLY
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ June 20 2014,02:55) kerwin,June wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jesus said the his God an Father was the same God and Father of his disciples. You say Jesus told an untruth. I choose to believe to believe Jesus spoke truth. Kerwin,
I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOU OWN VERSION!
SCRIPTURE'S ONLY
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charles,I have already quoted it to you before. Why would you believe what is written any more this time than before.
Mike has given you passages as well and you just ignore them and keep on saying things that contradict them.
John 20:17
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)17 Jesus saith to her, `Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'
Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:57) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,04:12) Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,21:58) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,06:26) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,17:42) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:35) Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37) it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.
so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?
if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not
Jammin,When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another. Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.
If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do.
So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power. So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.
You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that. In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.
Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant. That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us.
It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do. Do not make it hard to understand.
no. why? because the president is STILL NOT ALL POWERFUL unless he is God by nature. a human nature is not ALL POWERFUL. you cant say ALL POWERFUL if you have limitations and that is human nature.the bible tells us that jesus took the HUMAN form. it is clear that before he took the human nature, he was in the form of God and was EQUAL with God . i am not saying this just because i want to but because this is the doctrine of the bible. paul said Christ is God just like his father. phil 2.6
thomas said Jesus is HIS LORD AND GOD john 20.28
the jews understood that Christ claimed to be God and equal with God and that is the reason why they want to kill him!
john 5.18
New International Version
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
but said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him “my Father”, and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works:
making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more, and had they imagined that he intended no more by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned (d).
Jammin,Gill is using nature to define nature which makes me thing he does not know what it means. He is giving commentary to make his point of view more clear and that does not make it more clear. Let is stick to your point of view as I already know Gill is by point of view a trinitarian.
You are clearly having trouble communicating your idea but it seems to me that you are trying to make the point that “power” is not the essential nature you are speaking of but unlimited power vs limited power is a characteristic of the essence you are talking about. So you claim Jesus was all powerful on earth even though he himself said after his resurrection and before his ascension that he was appointed by God as Lord of all things in heaven and on earth. In that statement he was clearly not the one that had the power to appoint him to that position nor is their any evidence he was given that power to appoint another to that position. Since he did not have that power and God did that means his power is limited and God's is not.
You will not find a flaw in my claim that a characteristic of the nature of God Jesus existed in what to be righteous as Yahweh is as Jesus has never sinned even as Jehovah has never sinned.
let us make this simple. i do not want things to be complicated.is all powerful part of God's essence/nature?
yes or no?
is MAN all pwoerful by nature/essence? yes or no?
is the president all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
are you all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
i will give you 1m yrs to answer my questions
Jaminnthose are the most stupid questions I ever seen ,
the only reason you quote these is because you cannot answer Kerwin and Mike questions from scriptures so you have to use some clever wording what is so irrelevant to the scriptures that their is no support for them ,
your attitude is the one that really hurt you ,you do not believe scriptures but only your religion ,
it is because you CANT ans
wer the questions.ill repeat
is the president all powerful? yes or no?
are you all powerful? yes or no?
kerwin, im still waiting for you to answer these questions
jammincome down of your ego mountain, and see the prairies bloom
Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,04:48) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing. Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in.
according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature.the bible says
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (NIV)6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
Philippians 2:6
Amplified Bible (AMP)6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],
it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature.
if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said…
phil 2.7
He became like men and was born a human being.do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying?
i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said.
HE is God, john said.
he is God by nature, paul said.therefore, you are wrong.
Jammin,What is clear is that none of these prove anything as the amplified includes in line cometary. For example “[[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God]”
“Except for the “which make God God” comment it is pretty much line. I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful and Jesus was tempted by evil which proves that claim is false.
What Scripture states is “that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”, Ephesians 3:19 NIV and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”, Colossians 2:9 NIV.
In short Jesus has continually possessed the fullness of the attributes of God and it is his hope that we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God.
you said “we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God”what verse is that? that is ridiculous. you are a false teacher.
Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2014,10:23) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:57) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,04:12) Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,21:58) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,06:26) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,17:42) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:35) Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37) it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature.
the truth is you cant answer my question that is why.Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature.
so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no?
if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not
Jammin,When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another. Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine.
If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do.
So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power. So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.
You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that. In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason.
Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant. That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us.
It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do. Do not make it hard to understand.
no. why? because the president is STILL NOT ALL POWERFUL unless he is God by nature. a human nature is not ALL POWERFUL. you cant say ALL POWERFUL if you have limitations and that is human nature.the bible tells us that jesus took the HUMAN form. it is clear that before he took the human nature, he was in the form of God and was EQUAL with God . i am not saying this just because i want to but because this is the doctrine of the bible. paul said Christ is God just like his father. phil 2.6
thomas said Jesus is HIS LORD AND GOD john 20.28
the jews understood that Christ claimed to be God and equal with God and that is the reason why they want to kill him!
john 5.18
New International Version
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
but said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him “my Father”, and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works:
making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more, and had they imagined that he intended no more by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned (d).
Jammin,Gill is using nature to define nature which makes me thing he does not know what it means. He is giving commentary to make his point of view more clear and that does not make it more clear. Let is stick to your point of view as I already know Gill is by point of view a trinitarian.
You are clearly having trouble communicating your idea but it seems to me that you are trying to make the point that “power” is not the essential nature you are speaking of but unlimited power vs limited power is a characteristic of the essence you are talking about. So you claim Jesus was all powerful on earth even though he himself said after his resurrection and before his ascension that he was appointed by God as Lord of all things in heaven and on earth. In that statement he was clearly not the one that had the power to appoint him to that position nor is their any evidence he was given that power to appoint another to that position. Since he did not have that power and God did that means his power is limited and God's is not.
You will not find a flaw in my claim that a characteristic of the nature of God Jesus existed in what to be righteous as Yahweh is as Jesus has never sinned even as Jehovah has never sinned.
let us make this simple. i do not want things to be complicated.is all powerful part of God's essence/nature?
yes or no?
is MAN all pwoerful by nature/essence? yes or no?
is the president all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
are you all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no?
i will give you 1m yrs to answer my questions
Jaminnthose are the most stupid questions I ever seen ,
the only reason you quote these is because you cannot answer Kerwin and Mike questions from scriptures so you have to use some clever wording what is so irrelevant to the scriptur
es that their is no support for them ,your attitude is the one that really hurt you ,you do not believe scriptures but only your religion ,
it is because you CANT answer the questions.ill repeat
is the president all powerful? yes or no?
are you all powerful? yes or no?
kerwin, im still waiting for you to answer these questions
jammincome down of your ego mountain, and see the prairies bloom
Tanswer my question. you are full of pride.
i believe what is written in the bible and i give you WORD FOR WORD in the bible but you gave me fantasies.can you answer my question or not?
kerwin,
i am still waiting for you to answer my questions
Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,04:48) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing. Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in.
according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature.the bible says
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (NIV)6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
Philippians 2:6
Amplified Bible (AMP)6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],
it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature.
if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said…
phil 2.7
He became like men and was born a human being.do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying?
i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said.
HE is God, john said.
he is God by nature, paul said.therefore, you are wrong.
Jammin,What is clear is that none of these prove anything as the amplified includes in line cometary. For example “[[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God]”
“Except for the “which make God God” comment it is pretty much line. I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful and Jesus was tempted by evil which proves that claim is false.
What Scripture states is “that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”, Ephesians 3:19 NIV and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”, Colossians 2:9 NIV.
In short Jesus has continually possessed the fullness of the attributes of God and it is his hope that we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God.
yes and that is why Christ is all powerful just like his father. they have the same nature.Jammin,
You claim Jesus is all powerful and yet Scripture states he was appointed. The one who appoints is more powerful than the one that is appointed. Jesus has no power to appoint anyone as Lord of all thing in heaven and on earth.
Quote (jammin @ June 20 2014,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,04:48) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing. Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in.
according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature.the bible says
Philippians 2:6
New International Version (NIV)6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
Philippians 2:6
Amplified Bible (AMP)6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God],
it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature.
if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said…
phil 2.7
He became like men and was born a human being.do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying?
i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said.
HE is God, john said.
he is God by nature, paul said.therefore, you are wrong.
Jammin,What is clear is that none of these prove anything as the amplified includes in line cometary. For example “[[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God]”
“Except for the “which make God God” comment it is pretty much line. I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful and Jesus was tempted by evil which proves that claim is false.
What Scripture states is “that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”, Ephesians 3:19 NIV and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”, Colossians 2:9 NIV.
In short Jesus has continually possessed the fullness of the attributes of God and it is his hope that we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God.
you said “we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God”what verse is that? that is ridiculous. you are a false teacher.
Jammin,Ephesians 3:19, which I already gave you the quote from.
Quote (carmel @ June 19 2014,11:36) NOW WHAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU ARE NOT CONSISTANT IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PHRASE “IN THE FORM OF” WHEN IT REFERS TO GOD IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE IS GOD
AND WHEN THE PHRASE “IN THE FORM OF” REFERS TO A SERVANT HE IS A SERVANT?
I understand them both the same way, Charles.First, Jesus was existing in the form of (“with the OUTWARD APPEARANCE of”) God. In other words, Jesus LOOKED LIKE his own God, Jehovah.
Then, Jesus emptied himself and took on the form of (“the OUTWARD APPEARANCE of”) a servant. In other words, Jesus LOOKED LIKE a normal, everyday human servant. He didn't wear royal purple, even though he was the King of the Jews. Instead, he appeared to everyone as a humble and poor servant person.
So see? I understand them both the same way. Btw, in case you weren't aware, that Greek word “morphe” (form) actually MEANS “outward appearance”.
Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,06:55) the bible said YES he is all powerful Revelation 1:8
The Voice (VOICE)Lord God: 8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the very beginning and the very end,][a] the One who is, the One who was, and the One who is coming: the All Powerful.
jammin,Do a quick search through Revelation, and tell me who is ALWAYS called “the Lord God” in that Book.
For example, the One who sits on the throne, that the Lamb takes the scroll from – is the One called “the Lord God”.
The title “the Lord God” ALWAYS refers to Jehovah in Revelation. And that includes Rev 1:8.
Besides, does one who is “all powerful” wait for his own God to place all his enemies at his feet, so he can then destroy those enemies? Because that is exactly what Jesus is doing. (Hebrews 10:13)
Luke 1:32
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David……….See how Jesus is NOT “the Most High”, but the Son OF the Most High? See how “the Most High” is called “the Lord God” – just like in Revelation?
Luke 8:28
When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!”Is Jesus “the Most High God” – according to the above scripture? Or is Jesus the SON OF the Most High God? Which one? (I really NEED you to answer this question.)
NO,NO,NO
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