JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2014,10:51)

Quote (jammin @ June 04 2014,10:20) no version says that THE LORD who made the heaven and the earth in heb 1.10 is NOT the son. There is also no GREEK version that says those words were said about the Son. But back to the scriptures I listed, jammin…….. since I listed mine first. What about Acts 4?  Can you see that the one they prayed TO was the one who made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING in them? And can you see that Jesus WASN'T the one they prayed TO – but the holy servant OF the one they prayed TO? How about Mark 13:18?  Who did JESUS say created the world?  Himself?  Or GOD? Here's another one: Isaiah 42 5 This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,    who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,    who gives breath to its people,    and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness;    I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you    to be a covenant for the people    and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind,    to free captives from prison    and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. Notice how JEHOVAH GOD is the one who created and stretched out the heavens. Notice how He is talking to JESUS – who DIDN'T create and stretch out the heavens. See?  The one DOING the talking is the one who created the heavens………. not the one being talked to. There are more.  Would you like to see them as well?

greek scholars know better than you know mike. hahaha
if that Lord in heb 1.10 refers to the father, then you can easily give me a version that says the Lord in heb 1.10 is the father. you are not making any sense hahha

the truth is no bible scholars will translate that heb 1.10 Lord as the father who made the heaven and the earth because it is ludicrous. therefore, you cant give a version. correct? hahahaa
the bible teaches us that God created all things THROUGH CHRIST.
poor mike.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,22:38)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2014,11:09) Quote (jammin @ June 04 2014,10:23) mike, im still waiting for you to answer my question about the essence of GOd. i am glad GOd opened your eyes about the nature of Christ and his father. you now believe that they are equal in essence and that is an improvement from you. my question is, what is the essence of GOd? The essence of God is “spirit”.  He is a SPIRIT being, and therefore “SPIRIT” is His essence. Jesus, Michael, Gabriel, and the myriads of other spirit sons of God also share that same SPIRIT essence. But none of those SONS of God are the very God they are the SON of.   The very thought that some man, years ago, would even claim such an illogical and asinine thing as a son being the same entity as his father, befuddles me. Why MILLIONS of other people would listen to that man, and believe the same nonsense, is completely beyond my comprehension. an honest man gives a COMPLETE answer. you are not giving me complete answers. let me give you a question. is all powerful not part of God's essence?

Jamin

the president as a powerful hand but so as the vise president but not like the president and the one below the vise president as even lower powerful powers ,ect…..

God as the ultimate powers none is above ALL ARE UNDER HIM SO ALSO ARE THE POWERS OF THOSE UNDER HIM ;

THIS IS SO ELEMENTARY I AM PUZZLED WHY YOU ASK ,

i GUESS YOU SEE THE SPECK IN MIKE'S EYE BUT NOT THE BEAM IN YOURS

[jammin]

T

do you understand the meaning of essence/nature?

a man is not all powerful. the president is not all powerful. God is all powerful.
you and the president have limitations and that is your nature. you are not all powerful.

is the president immortal? are you immortal? you are hUMAN! you are not immortal but God is different. this is so basic but you do not understand what you are saying.

[kerwin]

Jammin.

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do you understand the meaning of essence/nature?

You don not seem to understand the meaning of essence/nature.

I have the essence of the president does not mean I am as powerful as the president.

With no context the statement is vague.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,22:52)

T do you understand the meaning of essence/nature? a man is not all powerful. the president is not all powerful. God is all powerful. you and the president have limitations and that is your nature. you are not all powerful. is the president immortal? are you immortal? you are hUMAN! you are not immortal but God is different. this is so basic but you do not understand what you are saying.

hi Jaminn

you start to get full of beans ,

I told you that God almighty is the absolute power their is no one above ;

no matter the ESSENCE/NATURE OR WHAT EVER

ANYONE ELSE IS LOWER .THAT IT

[kerwin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,10:23)

Mike, Quote He is literally the lamp that God sent into the world to shine some spiritual light on us. John 9:5 states he was the light of the world only as long as he was in the world. I can see where he is figuratively the lamp that shines the light of the world but I have always thought he was still the lamp of the world.

Mike,

I would like to hear your thoughts on this one.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2014,23:03)

Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,10:23) Mike, Quote He is literally the lamp that God sent into the world to shine some spiritual light on us. John 9:5 states he was the light of the world only as long as he was in the world. I can see where he is figuratively the lamp that shines the light of the world but I have always thought he was still the lamp of the world. Mike, I would like to hear your thoughts on this one.

k

BEING THE LIGHT MEANS THE ONE THAT AS UNDERSTANDING ,TRUE KNOWLEDGE , AND TRUE BEHAVIOR IN GOD'WAY

THIS IS WHAT CHRIST TOLD HIS DISCIPLES ;

MT 5:16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,10:38)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2014,11:09) Quote (jammin @ June 04 2014,10:23) mike, what is the essence of GOd? The essence of God is “spirit”.  He is a SPIRIT being, and therefore “SPIRIT” is His essence. Jesus, Michael, Gabriel, and the myriads of other spirit sons of God also share that same SPIRIT essence. But none of those SONS of God are the very God they are the SON of.   The very thought that some man, years ago, would even claim such an illogical and asinine thing as a son being the same entity as his father, befuddles me. Why MILLIONS of other people would listen to that man, and believe the same nonsense, is completely beyond my comprehension. an honest man gives a COMPLETE answer. you are not giving me complete answers. let me give you a question. is all powerful not part of God's essence?

No, jammin.

“All powerful” is NOT a part of God's essence.

Besides, Jesus surely wasn't “all powerful” on earth, and he still isn't to this very day.

So if you INSIST that “all powerful” is a part of God's essence, you will be, at the very same time, acknowledging for us that Jesus ISN'T “God”.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,10:43)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2014,10:51) Quote (jammin @ June 04 2014,10:20) no version says that THE LORD who made the heaven and the earth in heb 1.10 is NOT the son. There is also no GREEK version that says those words were said about the Son. But back to the scriptures I listed, jammin…….. since I listed mine first. What about Acts 4?  Can you see that the one they prayed TO was the one who made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING in them? And can you see that Jesus WASN'T the one they prayed TO – but the holy servant OF the one they prayed TO? How about Mark 13:18?  Who did JESUS say created the world?  Himself?  Or GOD? Here's another one: Isaiah 42 5 This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,    who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,    who gives breath to its people,    and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness;    I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you    to be a covenant for the people    and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind,    to free captives from prison    and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. Notice how JEHOVAH GOD is the one who created and stretched out the heavens. Notice how He is talking to JESUS – who DIDN'T create and stretch out the heavens. See?  The one DOING the talking is the one who created the heavens………. not the one being talked to. There are more.  Would you like to see them as well? if that Lord in heb 1.10 refers to the father, then you can easily give me a version that says the Lord in heb 1.10 is the father. the truth is no bible scholars will translate that heb 1.10 Lord as the father who made the heaven and the earth because it is ludicrous.

What? It is ludicrous to think the Father made the heavens and the earth? Oh, brother!

jammin, why are you still talking about Hebrews 1:10? Aren't there three different passages in the quote box above that you need to explain to me?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ June 05 2014,10:44)

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,22:38) is all powerful not part of God's essence? the president as a powerful hand………

That's a good point, Pierre.

If my dad could bench press 1000 pounds, it doesn't mean that I can do the same.

The ability to lift a car would not be part of the “essence” of a human being – even though SOME of them can do it.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2014,11:03)

Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,10:23) Mike, Quote He is literally the lamp that God sent into the world to shine some spiritual light on us. John 9:5 states he was the light of the world only as long as he was in the world. I can see where he is figuratively the lamp that shines the light of the world but I have always thought he was still the lamp of the world. Mike, I would like to hear your thoughts on this one.

The light came into the world, Kerwin. (John 1:9) He told the disciples to walk with him WHILE they still had the light. (John 12:35)

Then he bestowed that light unto them, and said they were now the light of the world. (Matthew 5:14)

So he still IS that light – just like he was the light who gives light to everyone BEFORE he came into the world. (Again, John 1:9)

He is just no longer in the world.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2014,12:35)

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,10:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2014,11:09) Quote (jammin @ June 04 2014,10:23) mike, what is the essence of GOd? The essence of God is “spirit”.  He is a SPIRIT being, and therefore “SPIRIT” is His essence. Jesus, Michael, Gabriel, and the myriads of other spirit sons of God also share that same SPIRIT essence. But none of those SONS of God are the very God they are the SON of.   The very thought that some man, years ago, would even claim such an illogical and asinine thing as a son being the same entity as his father, befuddles me. Why MILLIONS of other people would listen to that man, and believe the same nonsense, is completely beyond my comprehension. an honest man gives a COMPLETE answer. you are not giving me complete answers. let me give you a question. is all powerful not part of God's essence? No, jammin. “All powerful” is NOT a part of God's essence.   Besides, Jesus surely wasn't “all powerful” on earth, and he still isn't to this very day. So if you INSIST that “all powerful” is a part of God's essence, you will be, at the very same time, acknowledging for us that Jesus ISN'T “God”.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT JESUS IS EQUAL WITH GOD IN ESSENCE. DONT YOU REMEMBER THAT? HAHAHA

essence or nature means

1.the basic or inherent features of something, especially when
seen as characteristic of it.

2.the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nature

i do not know if you do understand the meaning of nature. it seems to me that you are pretending and that you do not understand the meaning of it.

you said God's essence or nature is not all powerful.

well let the bible speak
Job 37:23 – [Touching] the Almighty, we cannot find him out: [he is] excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.

let me post the wikipedia
In the monotheistic philosophies of Abrahamic religions, omnipotence is often listed as one of a deity's characteristics among many, including omniscience, omnipresence, and omnibenevolence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence

sorry mike but you are wrong again! hahahaha

BINGO!

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2014,12:38)

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,10:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2014,10:51) Quote (jammin @ June 04 2014,10:20) no version says that THE LORD who made the heaven and the earth in heb 1.10 is NOT the son. There is also no GREEK version that says those words were said about the Son. But back to the scriptures I listed, jammin…….. since I listed mine first. What about Acts 4?  Can you see that the one they prayed TO was the one who made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING in them? And can you see that Jesus WASN'T the one they prayed TO – but the holy servant OF the one they prayed TO? How about Mark 13:18?  Who did JESUS say created the world?  Himself?  Or GOD? Here's another one: Isaiah 42 5 This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out,    who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it,    who gives breath to its people,    and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness;    I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you    to be a covenant for the people    and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind,    to free captives from prison    and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. Notice how JEHOVAH GOD is the one who created and stretched out the heavens. Notice how He is talking to JESUS – who DIDN'T create and stretch out the heavens. See?  The one DOING the talking is the one who created the heavens………. not the one being talked to. There are more.  Would you like to see them as well? if that Lord in heb 1.10 refers to the father, then you can easily give me a version that says the Lord in heb 1.10 is the father. the truth is no bible scholars will translate that heb 1.10 Lord as the father who made the heaven and the earth because it is ludicrous. What?  It is ludicrous to think the Father made the heavens and the earth?    Oh, brother!   jammin, why are you still talking about Hebrews 1:10?  Aren't there three different passages in the quote box above that you need to explain to me?

it is because we are not done yet in heb 1.10

as i said, God created all things THROUGH HIS SON and heb 1.10 tells us that the son is a creator not a creation.

Hebrews 1:10

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

10 God also said,

“O Lord, in the beginning you made the earth,
and your hands made the sky.

I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR VERSION IN HEB 1.10 THAT SAYS THE LORD IS THE FATHER. YOU COULD HAVE 1M YEARS IF YOU WANT HAHAHAHA

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2014,03:56)

Quote (jammin @ June 05 2014,22:52) T do you understand the meaning of essence/nature? a man is not all powerful. the president is not all powerful. God is all powerful. you and the president have limitations and that is your nature. you are not all powerful. is the president immortal? are you immortal? you are hUMAN! you are not immortal but God is different. this is so basic but you do not understand what you are saying. hi Jaminn you start to get full of beans , I told you that God almighty is the absolute power their is no one above ; no matter the ESSENCE/NATURE OR WHAT EVER ANYONE ELSE IS LOWER .THAT IT

im asking you a question. is the president immortal? are you immortal? that is NOT part of the nature of man to be honest. why is it hard for you to answer my question?

the president is NOT all knowing and NOT all powerful and that is it. do not make things complicated. he is not GOD

you are not all knowing and all powerful as well. do you understand?

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2014,03:55)

Jammin. Quote do you understand the meaning of essence/nature? You don not seem to understand the meaning of essence/nature. I have the essence of the president does not mean I am as powerful as the president.   With no context the statement is vague.

essence or nature means

1.the basic or inherent features of something, especially when
seen as characteristic of it.

2.the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nature

the president is just like you. you are both HUMAN. he is not immortal and all powerful. you do have LIMITATIONS.
do you understand? you are not God

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2014,07:50)

Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2014,11:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,10:23) Mike, Quote He is literally the lamp that God sent into the world to shine some spiritual light on us. John 9:5 states he was the light of the world only as long as he was in the world. I can see where he is figuratively the lamp that shines the light of the world but I have always thought he was still the lamp of the world. Mike, T, I would like to hear your thoughts on this one. The light came into the world, Kerwin.  (John 1:9)  He told the disciples to walk with him WHILE they still had the light.  (John 12:35) Then he bestowed that light unto them, and said they were now the light of the world.  (Matthew 5:14) So he still IS that light – just like he was the light who gives light to everyone BEFORE he came into the world.  (Again, John 1:9) He is just no longer in the world.

Mike,

So he is still the light but not the light of the world because he is no longer in the world to be that light.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ June 06 2014,09:19)

Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2014,03:55) Jammin. Quote do you understand the meaning of essence/nature? You don not seem to understand the meaning of essence/nature. I have the essence of the president does not mean I am as powerful as the president.   With no context the statement is vague. essence or nature means 1.the basic or inherent features of something, especially when seen as characteristic of it. 2.the fundamental qualities of a person or thing; identity or essential character http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nature the president is just like you. you are both HUMAN. he is not immortal and all powerful. you do have LIMITATIONS. do you understand? you are not God

Jammin,

So according to you the essential nature of the president is that he is a human being. That is not even a requirement in many cases though it is assumed that the president will be a human being. If an angel wanted to be president he could.

The bottom line is the whether human or angel the essential nature of the president is more powerful than my essential nature.

You have already got what you have been convinced essential nature is speaking of in your head before you even read Philippians 2.

Those with the essential nature of sheep and those with the essential nature of goats will stand before God on judgement day. If you fail to comprehend what that means see the parable of the sheep and the goats.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 05 2014,23:09)

Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2014,23:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,10:23) Mike, Quote He is literally the lamp that God sent into the world to shine some spiritual light on us. John 9:5 states he was the light of the world only as long as he was in the world. I can see where he is figuratively the lamp that shines the light of the world but I have always thought he was still the lamp of the world. Mike, I would like to hear your thoughts on this one. k BEING THE LIGHT MEANS THE ONE THAT AS UNDERSTANDING ,TRUE KNOWLEDGE , AND TRUE BEHAVIOR IN GOD'WAY THIS IS WHAT CHRIST TOLD HIS DISCIPLES ; MT 5:16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

T, Mike,

So, while Jesus was in the world he let his light shine in such a way that the world saw his good works and glorified Jehovah.

John the Baptist said he was not the light.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2014,18:02)

Quote (terraricca @ June 05 2014,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2014,23:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,10:23) Mike, Quote He is literally the lamp that God sent into the world to shine some spiritual light on us. John 9:5 states he was the light of the world only as long as he was in the world. I can see where he is figuratively the lamp that shines the light of the world but I have always thought he was still the lamp of the world. Mike, I would like to hear your thoughts on this one. k BEING THE LIGHT MEANS THE ONE THAT AS UNDERSTANDING ,TRUE KNOWLEDGE , AND TRUE BEHAVIOR IN GOD'WAY THIS IS WHAT CHRIST TOLD HIS DISCIPLES ; MT 5:16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. T, Mike, So, while Jesus was in the world he let his light shine in such a way that the world saw his good works and glorified Jehovah. John the Baptist said he was not the light.

K

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John the Baptist said he was not the light.

John the Baptist said he himself was not the light.

I corrected your comment ;add “HIMSELF “

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 06 2014,20:14)

Quote (kerwin @ June 06 2014,18:02) Quote (terraricca @ June 05 2014,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2014,23:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2014,10:23) Mike, Quote He is literally the lamp that God sent into the world to shine some spiritual light on us. John 9:5 states he was the light of the world only as long as he was in the world. I can see where he is figuratively the lamp that shines the light of the world but I have always thought he was still the lamp of the world. Mike, I would like to hear your thoughts on this one. k BEING THE LIGHT MEANS THE ONE THAT AS UNDERSTANDING ,TRUE KNOWLEDGE , AND TRUE BEHAVIOR IN GOD'WAY THIS IS WHAT CHRIST TOLD HIS DISCIPLES ; MT 5:16 “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. T, Mike, So, while Jesus was in the world he let his light shine in such a way that the world saw his good works and glorified Jehovah. John the Baptist said he was not the light. K Quote John the Baptist said he was not the light. John the Baptist said he himself was not the light. I corrected your comment ;add “HIMSELF “

T,

I am not sure what you are getting at as to me what I said and what you said seem to mean that John did not let his light shine in such a way that the world saw his good works and glorified Jehovah.

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