JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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He is not the word but he gives flesh to the utterance of God.

it does not say in scriptures utterance;but it says THE WORD or THE SON or JESUS CHRIST ,

December 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm#364917

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Kerwin
You said new heaven and new earth but i cnt read that in jn1:1-3 . That is your opinion. I gave you a word for word verse that jn1:1 speaks about cristo but you dnt want to accept. It is very obvious that your belief is false.

Jammin,

All things were are made were made by the word of God just as Genesis teaches us. The renewal of things is no different.

You choose not to understand these things but instead let others understand them for you.

It is my choice to seek instead of letting others do so for me and so my hope is to participate in the renewal.

therefore it is not really written in jn 1.1-3 new heaven and new earth.

hahaha

Jammin,

I already told you that John 1:1-3 is speaking of the word that comes out of God's mouth and not about Jesus.

I actually challenged you to find where Jesus is called the Word previous to his conception and you failed to find a creditable reference.

you believe that ,but it does speaks about Christ read verse 14

I believe the word of God was transitioned to flesh and the flesh was Jesus'. It transitioned from God's utterance.

your believe is false ,because that is not what Christ said ,neither his disciples

be careful to read this ;

Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed YOUR WORD.
Jn 17:7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you.
Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words”(THIS IS NOT CHRIST NOR THE WORD “) you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

YOU CAN SEE THAT CHRIST MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORDS OF GOD AND HIM COMING DOWN FROM THE FATHER AND SO AS BEEN SEND

I DO NOT SEE YOUR ;
utterance.

NOR GOD'S NOR CHRIST OR ANY ONE RELATED TO GOD ;BUT AS CHRIST SAID HE CONVEY THE WORDS OF WHICH HE WAS THE COURIER FOR BUT HE WAS NOT THE WORDS ,

You are full of error:

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Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words”(THIS IS NOT CHRIST NOR THE WORD “) you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Well who is He then? The plumber,that was made flesh?

wakeup.

December 29, 2013 at 4:47 pm#364920

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Jammin,

All things were are made were made by the word of God just as Genesis teaches us. The renewal of things is no different.

You choose not to understand these things but instead let others understand them for you.

It is my choice to seek instead of letting others do so for me and so my hope is to participate in the renewal.

therefore it is not really written in jn 1.1-3 new heaven and new earth.

hahaha

Jammin,

I already told you that John 1:1-3 is speaking of the word that comes out of God's mouth and not about Jesus.

I actually challenged you to find where Jesus is called the Word previous to his conception and you failed to find a creditable reference.

you believe that ,but it does speaks about Christ read verse 14

I believe the word of God was transitioned to flesh and the flesh was Jesus'. It transitioned from God's utterance.

your believe is false ,because that is not what Christ said ,neither his disciples

be careful to read this ;

YOU CAN SEE THAT CHRIST MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORDS OF GOD AND HIM COMING DOWN FROM THE FATHER AND SO AS BEEN SEND

I DO NOT SEE YOUR ;
utterance.

NOR GOD'S NOR CHRIST OR ANY ONE RELATED TO GOD ;BUT AS CHRIST SAID HE CONVEY THE WORDS OF WHICH HE WAS THE COURIER FOR BUT HE WAS NOT THE WORDS ,

You are full of error:

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Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words”(THIS IS NOT CHRIST NOR THE WORD “) you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Well who is He then? The plumber,that was made flesh?

wakeup.

you should read my quote again it seems you did not understand it

December 29, 2013 at 8:33 pm#364931

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Jammin,

All things were are made were made by the word of God just as Genesis teaches us. The renewal of things is no different.

You choose not to understand these things but instead let others understand them for you.

It is my choice to seek instead of letting others do so for me and so my hope is to participate in the renewal.

therefore it is not really written in jn 1.1-3 new heaven and new earth.

hahaha

Jammin,

I already told you that John 1:1-3 is speaking of the word that comes out of God's mouth and not about Jesus.

I actually challenged you to find where Jesus is called the Word previous to his conception and you failed to find a creditable reference.

you believe that ,but it does speaks about Christ read verse 14

I believe the word of God was transitioned to flesh and the flesh was Jesus'. It transitioned from God's utterance.

your believe is false ,because that is not what Christ said ,neither his disciples

be careful to read this ;

YOU CAN SEE THAT CHRIST MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORDS OF GOD AND HIM COMING DOWN FROM THE FATHER AND SO AS BEEN SEND

I DO NOT SEE YOUR ;
utterance.

NOR GOD'S NOR CHRIST OR ANY ONE RELATED TO GOD ;BUT AS CHRIST SAID HE CONVEY THE WORDS OF WHICH HE WAS THE COURIER FOR BUT HE WAS NOT THE WORDS ,

You are full of error:

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Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words”(THIS IS NOT CHRIST NOR THE WORD “) you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Well who is He then? The plumber,that was made flesh?

wakeup.

you should read my quote again it seems you did not understand it

You are in error.

God gave him the words to speak through his mind,
because *HE IS* THE the word of God.

Don't you use your head first before you speak?

wakeup.

December 29, 2013 at 11:23 pm#364940

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You are in error.

God gave him the words to speak through his mind,
because *HE IS* THE the word of God.

Don't you use your head first before you speak?

wakeup.

WAS JESUS A ROBOT WITHOUT A WILL OF HIS OWN

December 30, 2013 at 1:40 am#364950

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Kerwin,
Many versions said christ was the Word in jn1:1 and it supports rev19:13. You said no but until now you have no proof. For you to win, you must publish the king kerwin version hahaha

Jammin,

A word for word translation will not say it because it is not written. The only cases when a version states it is when the translator inserts his opinion into the passage.

Jammin,

Please! you are well aware that by the time the event John describes in Revelations the word is personified in Jesus. Even you fellow Trinitarians are aware of that.

The word is not a person even though it is personified in Scripture. Trinitarians even get it but you choose not to.

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The theological meaning of “word” within Scripture spans a wide theological spectrum. From the divine point of view, it consists of God revealing something about himself through his spoken word, which is ultimately and perfectly personified in his Son, Jesus Christ. In a broader sense, it designates Scripture itself. In contrast, the human word mirrors the human condition: it is limited, fallen, and dependent on divine intervention for restoration and sustenance.

I think the source is Trinitarian but they are still correct in many ways. If they would just stop the foolishness of teaching Jesus is God incarnate.

Note: word. I previously posted the from the quote down to Mike.

December 30, 2013 at 1:54 am#364952

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He is not the word but he gives flesh to the utterance of God.

it does not say in scriptures utterance;but it says THE WORD or THE SON or JESUS CHRIST ,

You obviously are unaware that the word comes out of God's mouth. From what I see you have no idea why Jesus is called by the name of the Word of God in Revelations. It is because Jesus personifies the word of God.

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I think the source is Trinitarian but they are still correct in many ways. If they would just stop the foolishness of teaching Jesus is God incarnate.

Note: word Same info I used in posts to others.

December 30, 2013 at 1:54 am#364953

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You are in error.

God gave him the words to speak through his mind,
because *HE IS* THE the word of God.

Don't you use your head first before you speak?

wakeup.

WAS JESUS A ROBOT WITHOUT A WILL OF HIS OWN

Oh yes,He has his own feelings and will.
But He dedicated His will to his Father.
We should do that too.
Dead to the flesh and live for God.

wakeup.

December 30, 2013 at 2:33 am#364965

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You are in error.

God gave him the words to speak through his mind,
because *HE IS* THE the word of God.

Don't you use your head first before you speak?

wakeup.

WAS JESUS A ROBOT WITHOUT A WILL OF HIS OWN

Oh yes,He has his own feelings and will.
But He dedicated His will to his Father.
We should do that too.
Dead to the flesh and live for God.

wakeup.

SO IN THAT CASE HOW COULD HE BE THE SPOKEN WORDS OF GOD HIS FATHER ;

YOU DO NOT MAKE SENS

IF JESUS IS HIS OWN BEING HE SO IS NOT WORDS BUT ONE PERFECT BEING THAT WAS BESIDE GOD HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN AND WAS SEND DOWN TO BECOME FLESH AND SO BECAME A SPOKESMAN FOR HIS FATHER GRACE TO ALL MEN

DO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL WHAT CHRIST AT TO SAY WAS ALREADY WRITTEN ;

YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING

December 30, 2013 at 4:05 am#364981

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You are in error.

God gave him the words to speak through his mind,
because *HE IS* THE the word of God.

Don't you use your head first before you speak?

wakeup.

WAS JESUS A ROBOT WITHOUT A WILL OF HIS OWN

Oh yes,He has his own feelings and will.
But He dedicated His will to his Father.
We should do that too.
Dead to the flesh and live for God.

wakeup.

SO IN THAT CASE HOW COULD HE BE THE SPOKEN WORDS OF GOD HIS FATHER ;

YOU DO NOT MAKE SENS

IF JESUS IS HIS OWN BEING HE SO IS NOT WORDS BUT ONE PERFECT BEING THAT WAS BESIDE GOD HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN AND WAS SEND DOWN TO BECOME FLESH AND SO BECAME A SPOKESMAN FOR HIS FATHER GRACE TO ALL MEN

DO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL WHAT CHRIST AT TO SAY WAS ALREADY WRITTEN ;

YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING

You keep on saying that I dont understand.
In fact it is you dont understand.

The word was made into a Man,with man's feelings.

wakeup.

December 30, 2013 at 4:43 am#364983

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You are in error.

God gave him the words to speak through his mind,
because *HE IS* THE the word of God.

Don't you use your head first before you speak?

wakeup.

WAS JESUS A ROBOT WITHOUT A WILL OF HIS OWN

Oh yes,He has his own feelings and will.
But He dedicated His will to his Father.
We should do that too.
Dead to the flesh and live for God.

wakeup.

SO IN THAT CASE HOW COULD HE BE THE SPOKEN WORDS OF GOD HIS FATHER ;

YOU DO NOT MAKE SENS

IF JESUS IS HIS OWN BEING HE SO IS NOT WORDS BUT ONE PERFECT BEING THAT WAS BESIDE GOD HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN AND WAS SEND DOWN TO BECOME FLESH AND SO BECAME A SPOKESMAN FOR HIS FATHER GRACE TO ALL MEN

DO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL WHAT CHRIST AT TO SAY WAS ALREADY WRITTEN ;

YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING

You keep on saying that I dont understand.
In fact it is you dont understand.

The word was made into a Man,with man's feelings.

wakeup.

no one makes a being out of words

December 30, 2013 at 4:45 am#364985

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Jammin,

All things were are made were made by the word of God just as Genesis teaches us. The renewal of things is no different.

You choose not to understand these things but instead let others understand them for you.

It is my choice to seek instead of letting others do so for me and so my hope is to participate in the renewal.

therefore it is not really written in jn 1.1-3 new heaven and new earth.

hahaha

Jammin,

I already told you that John 1:1-3 is speaking of the word that comes out of God's mouth and not about Jesus.

I actually challenged you to find where Jesus is called the Word previous to his conception and you failed to find a creditable reference.

you believe that ,but it does speaks about Christ read verse 14

I believe the word of God was transitioned to flesh and the flesh was Jesus'. It transitioned from God's utterance.

your believe is false ,because that is not what Christ said ,neither his disciples

be careful to read this ;

YOU CAN SEE THAT CHRIST MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORDS OF GOD AND HIM COMING DOWN FROM THE FATHER AND SO AS BEEN SEND

I DO NOT SEE YOUR ;
utterance.

NOR GOD'S NOR CHRIST OR ANY ONE RELATED TO GOD ;BUT AS CHRIST SAID HE CONVEY THE WORDS OF WHICH HE WAS THE COURIER FOR BUT HE WAS NOT THE WORDS ,

You are full of error:

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Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words”(THIS IS NOT CHRIST NOR THE WORD “) you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Well who is He then? The plumber,that was made flesh?

wakeup.

the “HE” is the same than the “HIM” in Col 1;15-17

December 30, 2013 at 9:34 am#364996

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Jammin,

All things were are made were made by the word of God just as Genesis teaches us. The renewal of things is no different.

You choose not to understand these things but instead let others understand them for you.

It is my choice to seek instead of letting others do so for me and so my hope is to participate in the renewal.

therefore it is not really written in jn 1.1-3 new heaven and new earth.

hahaha

Jammin,

I already told you that John 1:1-3 is speaking of the word that comes out of God's mouth and not about Jesus.

I actually challenged you to find where Jesus is called the Word previous to his conception and you failed to find a creditable reference.

you believe that ,but it does speaks about Christ read verse 14

I believe the word of God was transitioned to flesh and the flesh was Jesus'. It transitioned from God's utterance.

your believe is false ,because that is not what Christ said ,neither his disciples

be careful to read this ;

YOU CAN SEE THAT CHRIST MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORDS OF GOD AND HIM COMING DOWN FROM THE FATHER AND SO AS BEEN SEND

I DO NOT SEE YOUR ;
utterance.

NOR GOD'S NOR CHRIST OR ANY ONE RELATED TO GOD ;BUT AS CHRIST SAID HE CONVEY THE WORDS OF WHICH HE WAS THE COURIER FOR BUT HE WAS NOT THE WORDS ,

You are full of error:

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Jn 17:8 For I gave them the words”(THIS IS NOT CHRIST NOR THE WORD “) you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

Well who is He then? The plumber,that was made flesh?

wakeup.

the “HE” is the same than the “HIM” in Col 1;15-17

HE/HIM IS THE WORD OF GOD IN JOHN 1.

HE /HIM IS JESUS IN THE GOSPELS.

wakeup.

December 30, 2013 at 9:03 pm#365026

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HE/HIM IS THE WORD OF GOD IN JOHN 1.

HE /HIM IS JESUS IN THE GOSPELS.

wakeup.

but not in Col ;1;16

December 31, 2013 at 2:28 am#365052

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I believe the question was: Who became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son?

Because John called that one “the Word” in verse 14 and in verse 1.

Who was that person, Kerwin?

Mike,

The word is not a person even though it is personified in Scripture. Trinitarians even get it but you choose not to.

And who is that Word personified AS in scripture, Kerwin?

What is the NAME of the PERSON the Word is “personified as”? (Hint: He dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. Does that help?)

December 31, 2013 at 11:24 pm#365103

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I believe the question was: Who became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son?

Because John called that one “the Word” in verse 14 and in verse 1.

Who was that person, Kerwin?

Mike,

The word is not a person even though it is personified in Scripture. Trinitarians even get it but you choose not to.

And who is that Word personified AS in scripture, Kerwin?

What is the NAME of the PERSON the Word is “personified as”? (Hint: He dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. Does that help?)

Mike,

Jesus is the personification of the word of God though he was not before he was conceived in his mother's womb.

January 1, 2014 at 12:22 am#365108

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I believe the question was: Who became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son?

Because John called that one “the Word” in verse 14 and in verse 1.

Who was that person, Kerwin?

Mike,

The word is not a person even though it is personified in Scripture. Trinitarians even get it but you choose not to.

And who is that Word personified AS in scripture, Kerwin?

What is the NAME of the PERSON the Word is “personified as”? (Hint: He dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. Does that help?)

Mike,

Jesus is the personification of the word of God though he was not before he was conceived in his mother's womb.

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personification

THIS COULD BE A DUMB QUESTION, BUT HOW CAN WORDS BE PERSONIFIED

WHAT CHEMISTRY IS THEIR INVOLVED

ARE THEIR ANY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE TO EXPLAIN THIS IN SCRIPTURES

January 1, 2014 at 5:49 am#365133

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1 [count] a : a person who has a lot of a particular quality and who is the perfect example of someone who has that quality — often + of ▪ Your father is the personification of kindness and generosity. [=he is very kind and generous] ▪ He is the personification of evil.

I know of not other place where this method of teaching is specifically used but variations of it are used as well as types.

January 1, 2014 at 6:17 am#365135