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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
CONSIDER ALL OF THE TOPICS WE ARE TALKING IN ;THEN TALK
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,07:01) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2013,06:38) T, Quote no; scriptures are saying that the maiden was called Marry,and that she will be with child ;THAT IS ALL YOU KNOW ;ALL OF YOUR OTHER WORDS YOU HAVE ADDED TO IT BY YOUR IMAGINATION; Really!
Galatians 4:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Who do you thing God's Son that this passage declares is made of a woman is?
Are you going to disagree with it and say he was not made of a woman? It sure sounds like you are doing just that.
Romans 1:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Who is the seed of David Jesus' flesh is made of?
Are you going to declare that this passage is wrong and you are right? It sure sounds like it.
Luke 2:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
You seem to be of the opinion this passage is also wrong as well.
Are you sure you want to stubbornly cleave to the idea these three witnesses of God are wrong and your chosen devices are right?
KTHANKS ,
I like your answer ;and will get back on this ;
but first answer my questions on the last quote ;
and in the mean time do you believe that THE KING JAMES VERSION “ARE THE WORD OF GOD ”
OR YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE KJV IS ONLY ONE OF ITS VERSION MADE
CURIOUS TO KNOW
T,The translators were not carried along by the Holy Spirit.
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Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Kerwin.Hebrews 1:4 Being made **so much better than the angels**, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Are you saying that flesh and bone is better than spirit?
We also will be as the angels.
So will we be better than Christ?QUOTE:
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan UNQUOTE:**Where in scripture does it say this**?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus as a human was made a little lower than the angels and then he was given authority over them and so was made greater than them. He was not given a body greater than theirs.
It is Scripture that states that all flesh is not the same just after it makes the point that the body that is planted is not the body that comes up. Jesus' body was planted and came up. I don't see why it should be an exception to that sole rule about the final resurrection from the dead that is laid down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
It speaks of the transition from the immortal flesh to the mortal flesh when it states death came by man. It also speaks of it when God cursed Adam's flesh to return to dust.
Kerwin.John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit **is spirit**.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; **the flesh profiteth nothing**: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a ***quickening spirit***.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, that what is born of Spirit is spirit and so the Spirit to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Jesus tells us that is what the Councilor does.
Yes, that what is born of flesh is flesh and so Jesus was not telling Nicodemus that you must enter your mother's womb a second time in order to inherit the kingdom.
The Spirit is life because those who choose to live by it inherit eternal life.
Kerwin.You are playing with words.
The scripture is CLEAR;there is no need to explain
it with your own words.
THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT ***IS SPIRIT***—————————————————————–
QUOTE:
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
UNQUOTE:
—————————————————————–Angels are all spirit: yes, they are not all the same in *BRIGHTNESS*,but same in substance.
Juesus said: you will be as the angels, *in substance*.
*All spirit* There is no such as flesh and bone spirit.
Or flesh and bone with the spirit inside.
These are all added on doctrines,to cover up contradictions.
This is how they/pastors and the rest work.wakeup.
Wakeup,There is nowhere in Scripture that it states angels are composed of spirit. I believe that tenet, as the one about the resurrected body being composed of spirit, comes from Gnostic hearsay and a lack of knowledge of the cultural and environmental context or of the flexibility of language. We are told that the angels that visited Lot's house were able to both eat and touch, abilities a creature composed of spirit does not have.
Kerwin.Can you support your claim with scriptures?
As far as I know there is the flesh,and there is the spirit body.1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also ***celestial bodies***, and ***bodies terrestrial***: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
Only two types of bodies.
You have more than two,this is not scriptural.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,12:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
CONSIDER ALL OF THE TOPICS WE ARE TALKING IN ;THEN TALK
Terra.You are the accuser
so you have to provide the evidence.wakeup.
Wakeup,
There is more than one type of flesh body as it is written:
1 Corinthians 15:39
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
Jesus testified that spirit does not have flesh and bone and then he both ate and allowed himself to be touched in order to prove he was not spirit.
Genesis 19:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
The angel touched Lot as he pulled him in the door and doing so gave evidence he was not a spirit.
Genesis 19:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
The angels ate as did Jesus in order to show he was not a spirit.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,11:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,12:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
CONSIDER ALL OF THE TOPICS WE ARE TALKING IN ;THEN TALK
Terra.You are the accuser
so you have to provide the evidence.wakeup.
I do not accuse you ,it is the scriptures that accuses you,Wen you give your interpretation ,of them is it God spirit that talks to you
If so why are you so far from the truth If not ,then you have taken upon you the guilt of your own words,
We all stand before God ,exept that many men do not care ,they will in time ,but to late for redemption.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,19:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,11:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,12:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
CONSIDER ALL OF THE TOPICS WE ARE TALKING IN ;THEN TALK
Terra.You are the accuser
so you have to provide the evidence.wakeup.
I do not accuse you ,it is the scriptures that accuses you,Wen you give your interpretation ,of them is it God spirit that talks to you
If so why are you so far from the truth If not ,then you have taken upon you the guilt of your own words,
We all stand before God ,exept that many men do not care ,they will in time ,but to late for redemption.
You called me a liar and a deceiver many times
but with no scriptural evidence.You are guilty of falsly accusing your brother.
wakeup
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,17:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,19:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,11:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,12:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
CONSIDER ALL OF THE TOPICS WE ARE TALKING IN ;THEN TALK
Terra.You are the accuser
so you have to provide the evidence.wakeup.
I do not accuse you ,it is the scriptures that accuses you,Wen you give your interpretation ,of them is it God spirit that talks to you
If so why are you so far from the truth If not ,then you have taken upon you the guilt of your own words,
We all stand before God ,exept that many men do not care ,they will in time ,but to late for redemption.
You called me a liar and a deceiver many times
but with no scriptural evidence.You are guilty of falsly accusing your brother.
wakeup
show me where i do those things ,i am sure i have also told you the reasons for it ;
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2013,17:06) Wakeup, There is more than one type of flesh body as it is written:
1 Corinthians 15:39
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
Jesus testified that spirit does not have flesh and bone and then he both ate and allowed himself to be touched in order to prove he was not spirit.
Genesis 19:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
The angel touched Lot as he pulled him in the door and doing so gave evidence he was not a spirit.
Genesis 19:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
The angels ate as did Jesus in order to show he was not a spirit.
Kerwin.Dont let those scriptures put you off track.
Angels are spirit and they are capable to
manifest in the flesh if they have to.Dont use mans logic,thats what I can see
is going on.
When you start putting new ideas into scriptures
you only will get lost,and never find the truth.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,23:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,17:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,19:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,11:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,12:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
CONSIDER ALL OF THE TOPICS WE ARE TALKING IN ;THEN TALK
Terra.You are the accuser
so you have to provide the evidence.wakeup.
I do not accuse you ,it is the scriptures that accuses you,Wen you give your interpretation ,of them is it God spirit that talks to you
If so why are you so far from the truth If not ,then you have taken upon you the guilt of your own words,
We all stand before God ,exept that many men do not care ,they will in time ,but to late for redemption.
You called me a liar and a deceiver many times
but with no scriptural evidence.You are guilty of falsly accusing your brother.
wakeup
show me where i do those things ,i am sure i have also told you the reasons for it ;
Terra.As long as you can not
bring forth the evidence on the table,
you are guilty of fasely accusing.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,18:13) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2013,17:06) Wakeup, There is more than one type of flesh body as it is written:
1 Corinthians 15:39
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
Jesus testified that spirit does not have flesh and bone and then he both ate and allowed himself to be touched in order to prove he was not spirit.
Genesis 19:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
The angel touched Lot as he pulled him in the door and doing so gave evidence he was not a spirit.
Genesis 19:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
The angels ate as did Jesus in order to show he was not a spirit.
Kerwin.Dont let those scriptures put you off track.
Angels are spirit and they are capable to
manifest in the flesh if they have to.Dont use mans logic,thats what I can see
is going on.
When you start putting new ideas into scriptures
you only will get lost,and never find the truth.wakeup.
Wakeup,The meanings of “manifest” do not agree with what I believe your intent is.
Quote 1
: readily perceived by the senses and especially by the sense of sight
2
: easily understood or recognized by the mind : obvious
— man·i·fest·ly adverbYou might be using the first meaning but that means they had a flesh body that was not readily perceived by the senses before they manifest. I do not believe that was your intention.
I assuming you instead mean the angels transformed their spirit body to flesh. That teaching is not in Scripture.
I disregarded the idea of putting on flesh because of your believe in the idea of a spirit body and I do not think you believe they change bodies like cloths.
So you believe angels are not true spirits as they are only spirits part of the time. Even that contradicts Jesus' words and tests in Luke.
Note: definition from Merriam-Webster online dictionary
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,18:12) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) But it's not like the words that came out of King David's mouth were some living entity that people obeyed, Kerwin I agree!
And the words that come out of God's mouth? Are THEY living entities that people obey?Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,06:13) Angels are spirit and they are capable to
manifest in the flesh if they have to.
“Spirits don't have flesh and bones”.That is what Jesus himself told us. But if spirits “manifest flesh”, then Jesus' point was moot, because it would mean that spirits SOMETIMES do have flesh and bones.
There is no scripture that speaks of any spirit son of God “manifesting flesh”. Instead, there are scriptural accounts where eyes that cannot usually see these spirit sons of God were opened so that they could see what is normally not seen.
(Wakeup, you and I don't agree exactly about scriptural things………. but I've been following your posts on a number of threads, and am convinced that you know your stuff. Keep up the good work, and keep fighting the good fight!
)Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,21:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2013,05:31) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,23:17) There is no “was” in the statement “existing in the form of God”.
The “was” is implied because the statement as a whole is a past tense statement.Now, please tell me, in a clear and concise manner, why you believe the events of Phil 2:6-8 are NOT listed in chronological order. Which part of Paul's words in that statement hint to you that he listed those events haphazardly, and out of order?
Mike,Even if the statement is past tense………….
1. Before we move on, I need to know whether or not you agree that the “was” in Phil 2:6 is indeed implied because the statement as a whole is a past tense statement.2. Are you ever going to address the bolded part in my quote above? This is the third time I've asked.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,03:53) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,21:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2013,05:31) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,23:17) There is no “was” in the statement “existing in the form of God”.
The “was” is implied because the statement as a whole is a past tense statement.Now, please tell me, in a clear and concise manner, why you believe the events of Phil 2:6-8 are NOT listed in chronological order. Which part of Paul's words in that statement hint to you that he listed those events haphazardly, and out of order?
Mike,Even if the statement is past tense………….
1. Before we move on, I need to know whether or not you agree that the “was” in Phil 2:6 is indeed implied because the statement as a whole is a past tense statement.2. Are you ever going to address the bolded part in my quote above? This is the third time I've asked.
Mike,1) Paul was speaking of an event that occurred in the past relative to where he was writing so it seemed reasonable to me that the sentence is past tense to then. I did not check though s I did not see it would make a difference.
Internally to the sentence and while and because Jesus was existing in the form of God he took a few actions actions.
1) He did not seek to be equal to God
2) He emptied himself of that which would make him not a servant.
3) He took on the form of a servant.Simultaneously God made him in the likeness of humanity.
Note: I am not sure about the simultaneously as I believe made is past tense but I will stand on that impression for now.
2) The present tense “existing” and the words “form of God”, which are synonymous with the words “image of God”. The rest that is written about Jesus' actions just follow from those words.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,03:40) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,18:12) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) But it's not like the words that came out of King David's mouth were some living entity that people obeyed, Kerwin I agree!
And the words that come out of God's mouth? Are THEY living entities that people obey?
Mike,Yes, Poetically.
That is the context I understood your question in.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,18:23) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,23:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,17:57) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,19:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,11:03) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2013,12:20) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
CONSIDER ALL OF THE TOPICS WE ARE TALKING IN ;THEN TALK
Terra.You are the accuser
so you have to provide the evidence.wakeup.
I do not accuse you ,it is the scriptures that accuses you,Wen you give your interpretation ,of them is it God spirit that talks to you
If so why are you so far from the truth If not ,then you have taken upon you the guilt of your own words,
We all stand before God ,exept that many men do not care ,they will in time ,but to late for redemption.
You called me a liar and a deceiver many times
but with no scriptural evidence.You are guilty of falsly accusing your brother.
wakeup
show me where i do those things ,i am sure i have also told you the reasons for it ;
Terra.As long as you can not
bring forth the evidence on the table,
you are guilty of fasely accusing.wakeup.
you should read the quotes ,it is you that accuses me ,not the other way around ;
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 20 2013,04:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,18:13) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2013,17:06) Wakeup, There is more than one type of flesh body as it is written:
1 Corinthians 15:39
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
Jesus testified that spirit does not have flesh and bone and then he both ate and allowed himself to be touched in order to prove he was not spirit.
Genesis 19:10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
The angel touched Lot as he pulled him in the door and doing so gave evidence he was not a spirit.
Genesis 19:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
The angels ate as did Jesus in order to show he was not a spirit.
Kerwin.Dont let those scriptures put you off track.
Angels are spirit and they are capable to
manifest in the flesh if they have to.Dont use mans logic,thats what I can see
is going on.
When you start putting new ideas into scriptures
you only will get lost,and never find the truth.wakeup.
Wakeup,The meanings of “manifest” do not agree with what I believe your intent is.
Quote 1
: readily perceived by the senses and especially by the sense of sight
2
: easily understood or recognized by the mind : obvious
— man·i·fest·ly adverbYou might be using the first meaning but that means they had a flesh body that was not readily perceived by the senses before they manifest. I do not believe that was your intention.
I assuming you instead mean the angels transformed their spirit body to flesh. That teaching is not in Scripture.
I disregarded the idea of putting on flesh because of your believe in the idea of a spirit body and I do not think you believe they change bodies like cloths.
So you believe angels are not true spirits as they are only spirits part of the time. Even that contradicts Jesus' words and tests in Luke.
Note: definition from Merriam-Webster online dictionary
Kerwin.Can you elaborate on these scriptures?
Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
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