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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:17)
Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,23:17) There is no “was” in the statement “existing in the form of God”.
The “was” is implied because the statement as a whole is a past tense statement. This is the example I used for jb in our private thread:And Mike, although running as fast as he could, was unable to win the race.
I'm sure you'll agree that statement as a whole is a past tense statement. The fact that I worded it with the present tense “running” doesn't change the fact that the “running” was done in the past. “……although he was running as fast as he could…..” is implied.
Now, please tell me, in a clear and concise manner, why you believe the events of Phil 2:6-8 are NOT listed in chronological order. Which part of Paul's words in that statement hint to you that he listed those events haphazardly, and out of order?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2013,04:59) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,20:48) Mike, Are angels under the authority of God's Word?
Do they obey its commands?
Isn't that paying homage?
Kerwin,God's spoken word is not some entity that holds authority over angels. Nor does it give out commands that angels must obey.
The angels are under the authority of God Himself, and obey the commands of God Himself.
So angels pay homage to God Himself……… not to the words that come out of His mouth.
You are going out of your way to make God's literal spoken words into an entity with its own mind and its own will.
You realize that the Word in John 1 is in fact an entity with his own mind and his own will. But you don't WANT that entity to be Jesus, so you are trying to make up some other unnamed entity to whom John's words can apply. Because you don't want Jesus to be that particular “Word of God”, you are pretending that the words that come out of God's mouth are “magic”, and have their own life…….. like they can go around giving commands to angels and creating universes on their own once God speaks them out of His mouth.
It is good, however, that you at least realize the Word in John 1 is a living entity individual from God Himself. That is a good start.
Now all you have to do is add up all the things said about this particular Word in John 1 that are also said elsewhere in scripture about Jesus. Then add in the fact that Jesus is called “the Word of God” in Revelation 19:13, and you'll come to the natural and obvious conclusion that this “unnamed entity” you've imagined is none other than your Lord Jesus Christ.
Mike,I am not saying the Word is an entity. I am using it as it is used when it is written the ages were preferred by God's Word. He who pays homage to God's Word pays homage to the one who produced it.
When the Word was made flesh God commanded his angels to do homage to that flesh. The angels did homage to the Word from their beginning and are still doing homage to it even as it is now made flesh.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,10:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:17)
Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Kerwin.Hebrews 1:4 Being made **so much better than the angels**, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Are you saying that flesh and bone is better than spirit?
We also will be as the angels.
So will we be better than Christ?QUOTE:
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan UNQUOTE:**Where in scripture does it say this**?
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,17:34) I am not saying the Word is an entity. I am using it as it is used when it is written the ages were preferred by God's Word.
Actually you ARE describing the words God spoke as an entity, Kerwin. For example, I'm not sure where you came up with the translation, “the ages were preferred by God's Word”, or what that would even mean, but I know that in order to PREFER something over another thing, one must be an entity with his own thoughts, feelings, will, and PREFERENCES.Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,17:34) He who pays homage to God's Word pays homage to the one who produced it.
And we could also poetically say that those who obeyed the word of King David were obeying the king who spoke that word.But it's not like the words that came out of King David's mouth were some living entity that people obeyed, Kerwin.
It is just a poetic way of saying they obeyed the king, and followed his commands (word).
By following King David's commands, were those faithful Israelites “paying homage to the word of King David”? Were they “doing obeisance” to his word?
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,17:34) When the Word was made flesh God commanded his angels to do homage to that flesh. The angels did homage to the Word from their beginning and are still doing homage to it even as it is now made flesh. You know the word “proskuneo” literally means “kiss the hand”, right? As in one bowing before another and kissing their hand to pay homage to them. Or like a dog licking the hand of his master.
Does a spoken word have a hand to be kissed? Can homage literally be paid to a word that was spoken from someone's mouth?
You are once again talking silly stuff…….. and making very little sense.
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Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Kerwin.Hebrews 1:4 Being made **so much better than the angels**, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Are you saying that flesh and bone is better than spirit?
We also will be as the angels.
So will we be better than Christ?QUOTE:
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan UNQUOTE:**Where in scripture does it say this**?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus as a human was made a little lower than the angels and then he was given authority over them and so was made greater than them. He was not given a body greater than theirs.
It is Scripture that states that all flesh is not the same just after it makes the point that the body that is planted is not the body that comes up. Jesus' body was planted and came up. I don't see why it should be an exception to that sole rule about the final resurrection from the dead that is laid down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
It speaks of the transition from the immortal flesh to the mortal flesh when it states death came by man. It also speaks of it when God cursed Adam's flesh to return to dust.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2013,05:31) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2013,23:17) There is no “was” in the statement “existing in the form of God”.
The “was” is implied because the statement as a whole is a past tense statement. This is the example I used for jb in our private thread:And Mike, although running as fast as he could, was unable to win the race.
I'm sure you'll agree that statement as a whole is a past tense statement. The fact that I worded it with the present tense “running” doesn't change the fact that the “running” was done in the past. “……although he was running as fast as he could…..” is implied.
Now, please tell me, in a clear and concise manner, why you believe the events of Phil 2:6-8 are NOT listed in chronological order. Which part of Paul's words in that statement hint to you that he listed those events haphazardly, and out of order?
Mike,Even if the statement is past tense to the time Paul wrote Jesus being in the form of God occurs at the same time he “did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant” He emptied himself of one thing and filled himself with the form of a servant.
Jesus did not strive to be equal to God but instead to be equal to a servant.
He emptied his container of certain contents to become a servant.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,14:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,05:41) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,10:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:17)
Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Kerwin.Hebrews 1:4 Being made **so much better than the angels**, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Are you saying that flesh and bone is better than spirit?
We also will be as the angels.
So will we be better than Christ?QUOTE:
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan UNQUOTE:**Where in scripture does it say this**?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus as a human was made a little lower than the angels and then he was given authority over them and so was made greater than them. He was not given a body greater than theirs.
It is Scripture that states that all flesh is not the same just after it makes the point that the body that is planted is not the body that comes up. Jesus' body was planted and came up. I don't see why it should be an exception to that sole rule about the final resurrection from the dead that is laid down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
It speaks of the transition from the immortal flesh to the mortal flesh when it states death came by man. It also speaks of it when God cursed Adam's flesh to return to dust.
Kerwin.John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit **is spirit**.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; **the flesh profiteth nothing**: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a ***quickening spirit***.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,11:47) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,14:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,05:41) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,10:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:17)
Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Kerwin.Hebrews 1:4 Being made **so much better than the angels**, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Are you saying that flesh and bone is better than spirit?
We also will be as the angels.
So will we be better than Christ?QUOTE:
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan UNQUOTE:**Where in scripture does it say this**?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus as a human was made a little lower than the angels and then he was given authority over them and so was made greater than them. He was not given a body greater than theirs.
It is Scripture that states that all flesh is not the same just after it makes the point that the body that is planted is not the body that comes up. Jesus' body was planted and came up. I don't see why it should be an exception to that sole rule about the final resurrection from the dead that is laid down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
It speaks of the transition from the immortal flesh to the mortal flesh when it states death came by man. It also speaks of it when God cursed Adam's flesh to return to dust.
Kerwin.John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit **is spirit**.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; **the flesh profiteth nothing**: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a ***quickening spirit***.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, that what is born of Spirit is spirit and so the Spirit to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Jesus tells us that is what the Councilor does.
Yes, that what is born of flesh is flesh and so Jesus was not telling Nicodemus that you must enter your mother's womb a second time in order to inherit the kingdom.
The Spirit is life because those who choose to live by it inherit eternal life.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,08:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,08:28) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,11:43) Quote Conceived is the start of the body. WELL HOW HIS THAT SO
WHAT WOULD BE THE WORD FOR THE BEGINNING OF “LIVE INSIDE A WOMEN WOMB WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REGULAR BIRTH AND A SURROGATE MOTHER
?EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING
T,The difference is that in the case of the surrogacy you are speaking of the child is conceive outside of the womb but in the case of a natural pregnancy the child is conceived in the womb. Scripture teaches us Jesus was conceived in his mothers womb.
KIS MARY AD A NORMAL PREGNANCY
IF YOU SAY YES;WERE IS HER MALE CONTRIBUTOR IF YOU SAY NO ,WELL THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THINGS UP JUST LIKE YOU KNOW ,AND THAT YOU WERE THERE
ALL YOUR SUPPOSITION ARE PURE SUPPOSITION ,BUT TO THE PUBLIC OF THOSE DAYS ALL WOULD HAVE SWEAR IT WAS JOSEPH CHILD IS IT
ALSO UNDERSTAND GOD KNOWS MORE ABOUT WOMEN THAN ANY WOMEN CAN EVER KNOW ;
BUT NOW LOOK FOR THE REAL REASONS THAT CHRIST BY NO MEANS COULD BE BORN OF THE FLESH ;FLESH THAT IS CURSED WITH SIN ; AND DEAD ,
MIKE EXPLAIN IT QUITE WELL
T,There is evidence that times are coming when woman will not need a male contributor. Perhaps they are here even know as human clones are manufactured but not allowed to develop pass a certain point. Skin cells can be changed into humans at the conceptus stage of life. These things are done by humans. God is more powerful than they.
Scripture states Jesus was made of a woman just like it states Eve was made from a man. Nowhere does it state Jesus was made from a man even as nowhere does it state Eve was made from a woman.
Mike may explain it but the simple fact is that Scripture tells us that according to the flesh, Jesus was made of the seed of David. It later teaches us he was made of a woman.
Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit.
IT SEEMS ,THAT YOU HAVE NO INTENTION TO ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS ,AND SO FIND A WAY AROUND IN YOUR HEAD ,
THAT'S OK , WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU SEE ;WRONG OR RIGHT ;YOU PICK AND CHOSE WHAT FITS IN YOUR AGENDA ,
BEING BORN OUT OF A VIRGIN (MAIDEN) WOMEN ,FEMALE HUMAN
DOES NOT MAKE CHRIST THE SON OF GOD ;SO THIS YOU DENY ;
IT MAKES CHRIST AN REGULAR MAN ACCORDING TO “KERWIN”
AND THIS FIXES THAT HE CAME FROM THE LINE OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ;(BUT IF CHRIST CAME FROM THE FATHER AND MARRY WAS A SURROGATE MOTHER THIS WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT CHANGE A THING IN ANY WAY ;EXCEPT THAT YOU NOW BELIEVE THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER (AS HE SAYS HE DID )AND SO HE HIS THE SON OF GOD ,NOT THE PRODUCT OF MEN ;
DON'T WORRY ,YOU CAN DENY THE TRUTH AND REJECT CHRIST MANY DO IT AND DO NOT EVEN KNOW THEY DO
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,15:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,08:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,08:28) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,11:43) Quote Conceived is the start of the body. WELL HOW HIS THAT SO
WHAT WOULD BE THE WORD FOR THE BEGINNING OF “LIVE INSIDE A WOMEN WOMB WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REGULAR BIRTH AND A SURROGATE MOTHER
?EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING
T,The difference is that in the case of the surrogacy you are speaking of the child is conceive outside of the womb but in the case of a natural pregnancy the child is conceived in the womb. Scripture teaches us Jesus was conceived in his mothers womb.
KIS MARY AD A NORMAL PREGNANCY
IF YOU SAY YES;WERE IS HER MALE CONTRIBUTOR IF YOU SAY NO ,WELL THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THINGS UP JUST LIKE YOU KNOW ,AND THAT YOU WERE THERE
ALL YOUR SUPPOSITION ARE PURE SUPPOSITION ,BUT TO THE PUBLIC OF THOSE DAYS ALL WOULD HAVE SWEAR IT WAS JOSEPH CHILD IS IT
ALSO UNDERSTAND GOD KNOWS MORE ABOUT WOMEN THAN ANY WOMEN CAN EVER KNOW ;
BUT NOW LOOK FOR THE REAL REASONS THAT CHRIST BY NO MEANS COULD BE BORN OF THE FLESH ;FLESH THAT IS CURSED WITH SIN ; AND DEAD ,
MIKE EXPLAIN IT QUITE WELL
T,There is evidence that times are coming when woman will not need a male contributor. Perhaps they are here even know as human clones are manufactured but not allowed to develop pass a certain point. Skin cells can be changed into humans at the conceptus stage of life. These things are done by humans. God is more powerful than they.
Scripture states Jesus was made of a woman just like it states Eve was made from a man. Nowhere does it state Jesus was made from a man even as nowhere does it state Eve was made from a woman.
Mike may explain it but the simple fact is that Scripture tells us that according to the flesh, Jesus was made of the seed of David. It later teaches us he was made of a woman.
Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit.
IT SEEMS ,THAT YOU HAVE NO INTENTION TO ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS ,AND SO FIND A WAY AROUND IN YOUR HEAD ,
THAT'S OK , WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU SEE ;WRONG OR RIGHT ;YOU PICK AND CHOSE WHAT FITS IN YOUR AGENDA ,
BEING BORN OUT OF A VIRGIN (MAIDEN) WOMEN ,FEMALE HUMAN
DOES NOT MAKE CHRIST THE SON OF GOD ;SO THIS YOU DENY ;
IT MAKES CHRIST AN REGULAR MAN ACCORDING TO “KERWIN”
AND THIS FIXES THAT HE CAME FROM THE LINE OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ;(BUT IF CHRIST CAME FROM THE FATHER AND MARRY WAS A SURROGATE MOTHER THIS WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT CHANGE A THING IN ANY WAY ;EXCEPT THAT YOU NOW BELIEVE THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER (AS HE SAYS HE DID )AND SO HE HIS THE SON OF GOD ,NOT THE PRODUCT OF MEN ;
DON'T WORRY ,YOU CAN DENY THE TRUTH AND REJECT CHRIST MANY DO IT AND DO NOT EVEN KNOW THEY DO
T,I answered your question and what objections you might have to my answer.
* Scripture states Jesus was made of Mary, the female contributor to his genes, a seed of David.
* Scripture does not mention a male contributor, but instead states he was conceived of a virgin by the power of God; that power acting through the Holy Spirit.It is both a miracle and a sign.
Wakeup,
Quote
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a ***quickening spirit***.Paul is using a Jewish tenet to as support to his teaching about the resurrection but the Trinitarians do not seem to have chosen to kept it in what we now call Christianity during their long domination of the Christian conversation so loosing valuable context of 1 Corinthians 15:45 and surrounding verses.
According to scripture the animal was created before the spiritual as natural beasts were created before spiritual Adam. It also teaches Adam's body was made before Adam's life giving spirit entered it. Adam's body is earthly, made of the earth, while Adam's life given spirit is from heaven. Adam's flesh is a natural beast and Adam's spirit is from heaven. Neither are considered physical as that was first created on day 1.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,23:28) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,15:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,12:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2013,08:44) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2013,08:28) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2013,11:43) Quote Conceived is the start of the body. WELL HOW HIS THAT SO
WHAT WOULD BE THE WORD FOR THE BEGINNING OF “LIVE INSIDE A WOMEN WOMB WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REGULAR BIRTH AND A SURROGATE MOTHER
?EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING
T,The difference is that in the case of the surrogacy you are speaking of the child is conceive outside of the womb but in the case of a natural pregnancy the child is conceived in the womb. Scripture teaches us Jesus was conceived in his mothers womb.
KIS MARY AD A NORMAL PREGNANCY
IF YOU SAY YES;WERE IS HER MALE CONTRIBUTOR IF YOU SAY NO ,WELL THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THINGS UP JUST LIKE YOU KNOW ,AND THAT YOU WERE THERE
ALL YOUR SUPPOSITION ARE PURE SUPPOSITION ,BUT TO THE PUBLIC OF THOSE DAYS ALL WOULD HAVE SWEAR IT WAS JOSEPH CHILD IS IT
ALSO UNDERSTAND GOD KNOWS MORE ABOUT WOMEN THAN ANY WOMEN CAN EVER KNOW ;
BUT NOW LOOK FOR THE REAL REASONS THAT CHRIST BY NO MEANS COULD BE BORN OF THE FLESH ;FLESH THAT IS CURSED WITH SIN ; AND DEAD ,
MIKE EXPLAIN IT QUITE WELL
T,There is evidence that times are coming when woman will not need a male contributor. Perhaps they are here even know as human clones are manufactured but not allowed to develop pass a certain point. Skin cells can be changed into humans at the conceptus stage of life. These things are done by humans. God is more powerful than they.
Scripture states Jesus was made of a woman just like it states Eve was made from a man. Nowhere does it state Jesus was made from a man even as nowhere does it state Eve was made from a woman.
Mike may explain it but the simple fact is that Scripture tells us that according to the flesh, Jesus was made of the seed of David. It later teaches us he was made of a woman.
Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit.
IT SEEMS ,THAT YOU HAVE NO INTENTION TO ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS ,AND SO FIND A WAY AROUND IN YOUR HEAD ,
THAT'S OK , WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU SEE ;WRONG OR RIGHT ;YOU PICK AND CHOSE WHAT FITS IN YOUR AGENDA ,
BEING BORN OUT OF A VIRGIN (MAIDEN) WOMEN ,FEMALE HUMAN
DOES NOT MAKE CHRIST THE SON OF GOD ;SO THIS YOU DENY ;
IT MAKES CHRIST AN REGULAR MAN ACCORDING TO “KERWIN”
AND THIS FIXES THAT HE CAME FROM THE LINE OF DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ;(BUT IF CHRIST CAME FROM THE FATHER AND MARRY WAS A SURROGATE MOTHER THIS WOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT CHANGE A THING IN ANY WAY ;EXCEPT THAT YOU NOW BELIEVE THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM THE FATHER (AS HE SAYS HE DID )AND SO HE HIS THE SON OF GOD ,NOT THE PRODUCT OF MEN ;
DON'T WORRY ,YOU CAN DENY THE TRUTH AND REJECT CHRIST MANY DO IT AND DO NOT EVEN KNOW THEY DO
T,I answered your question and what objections you might have to my answer.
* Scripture states Jesus was made of Mary, the female contributor to his genes, a seed of David.
* Scripture does not mention a male contributor, but instead states he was conceived of a virgin by the power of God; that power acting through the Holy Spirit.It is both a miracle and a sign.
kQuote * Scripture states Jesus was made of Mary, the female contributor to his genes, a seed of David. no; scriptures are saying that the maiden was called Marry,and that she will be with child ;THAT IS ALL YOU KNOW ;ALL OF YOUR OTHER WORDS YOU HAVE ADDED TO IT BY YOUR IMAGINATION;
AND YES BORN IN THE LINE OF DAVID ;BY BOTH MARRY AND JOSEPH,
Quote * Scripture does not mention a male contributor, but instead states he was conceived of a virgin by the power of God; that power acting through the Holy Spirit. CONCEIVED
IS A WORD OF MEN CHOICE TO USE TO FILL THEIR GOALS; SCRIPTURES USES MANY WORDS TO EXPRESS THE SAME THING BUT THIS DOES NOT LIGHT UP IN YOUR HEART ;I HAVE SHOWN YOU THAT ;THIS IN NO WAY CHANGES REALITY ;THAT CHRIST ,”THE WORD” THE ONLY SON OF GOD , CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO FULFILL THE WILL OF HIS
FATHER AND GOD ,AND YES ,THE SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT GOD USES HIS POWER TO BRING FORTH HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE “WORD” THAT BECAME HIS CHRIST ON EARTH ;
THINK ,KERWIN, WHY WOULD IT TAKE THE POWERS OF GOD TO MAKE A MAN WEN FOR THE PAST 4000 YEARS THERE WAS THE SIMPLE WAY OF DOING IT ;I KNOW YOU WILL REJECT CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD ,BUT NOT WITH SCRIPTURES BUT WITH YOUR MIND AND TWISTED IDEAS ;
POWER OF GOD ,that power acting through the Holy Spirit.
HERE I HAVE TO SAY YOU ARE BRILLIANT ,BUT ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG ;WHY
BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE “THE POWERS OF GOD DEPENDENT OF GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT
YOU SEE ;POWER OF GOD IS ONE THING
; HOLY SPIRIT IS ANOTHER
BUT GOD ALWAYS USE THEM ALONE OR TOGETHER
BUT IN THE CASE OF MARY ,WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE FOR GOD TO USE HIS HOLY SPIRIT OR WHY IS THE HOLY SPIRIT EVEN MENTION
Quote It is both a miracle and a sign. IN WHICH WAY IS IT A MIRACLE
AND IN WHICH WAY IS IT A SGN
REMEMBER ONLY MARY KNEW FROM WERE THE CHILD CAME ;RIGHT
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,17:03) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,11:47) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,14:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,05:41) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2013,10:19) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:17)
Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Kerwin.Hebrews 1:4 Being made **so much better than the angels**, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Are you saying that flesh and bone is better than spirit?
We also will be as the angels.
So will we be better than Christ?QUOTE:
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan UNQUOTE:**Where in scripture does it say this**?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus as a human was made a little lower than the angels and then he was given authority over them and so was made greater than them. He was not given a body greater than theirs.
It is Scripture that states that all flesh is not the same just after it makes the point that the body that is planted is not the body that comes up. Jesus' body was planted and came up. I don't see why it should be an exception to that sole rule about the final resurrection from the dead that is laid down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
It speaks of the transition from the immortal flesh to the mortal flesh when it states death came by man. It also speaks of it when God cursed Adam's flesh to return to dust.
Kerwin.John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit **is spirit**.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; **the flesh profiteth nothing**: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a ***quickening spirit***.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, that what is born of Spirit is spirit and so the Spirit to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Jesus tells us that is what the Councilor does.
Yes, that what is born of flesh is flesh and so Jesus was not telling Nicodemus that you must enter your mother's womb a second time in order to inherit the kingdom.
The Spirit is life because those who choose to live by it inherit eternal life.
Kerwin.You are playing with words.
The scripture is CLEAR;there is no need to explain
it with your own words.
THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT ***IS SPIRIT***—————————————————————–
QUOTE:
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
UNQUOTE:
—————————————————————–Angels are all spirit: yes, they are not all the same in *BRIGHTNESS*,but same in substance.
Juesus said: you will be as the angels, *in substance*.
*All spirit* There is no such as flesh and bone spirit.
Or flesh and bone with the spirit inside.
These are all added on doctrines,to cover up contradictions.
This is how they/pastors and the rest work.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
Mike,
Quote And we could also poetically say that those who obeyed the word of King David were obeying the king who spoke that word. Yes.
Quote But it's not like the words that came out of King David's mouth were some living entity that people obeyed, Kerwin I agree!
Quote By following King David's commands, were those faithful Israelites “paying homage to the word of King David”? Were they “doing obeisance” to his word? Yes, as they were honoring him with their heart as well as with their mouth.
Quote
Does a spoken word have a hand to be kissed? Can homage literally be paid to a word that was spoken from someone's mouth?You pay homage to the Word with your heart as well as with your mouth.
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Kerwin.Quote Jesus flesh died and he was raised to life in a new flesh and bone body by power of the Spirit. How did you come to this conclusion?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Not all flesh is the same. The body that is planted, in this case Jesus' is not the body that arose. Jesus' body was planted as mortal body because it died. It arose a body of flesh and bone because Jesus said he had such.
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan.
Kerwin.Hebrews 1:4 Being made **so much better than the angels**, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Are you saying that flesh and bone is better than spirit?
We also will be as the angels.
So will we be better than Christ?QUOTE:
Scripture speaks of two types of human flesh, the immortal flesh that existed before death came into creation and the mortal flesh that was the result of sin. These two types are not the same as one is given life by the power of the Spirit and the other has a limited lifespan UNQUOTE:**Where in scripture does it say this**?
wakeup.
Wakeup,Jesus as a human was made a little lower than the angels and then he was given authority over them and so was made greater than them. He was not given a body greater than theirs.
It is Scripture that states that all flesh is not the same just after it makes the point that the body that is planted is not the body that comes up. Jesus' body was planted and came up. I don't see why it should be an exception to that sole rule about the final resurrection from the dead that is laid down in Scripture.
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
It speaks of the transition from the immortal flesh to the mortal flesh when it states death came by man. It also speaks of it when God cursed Adam's flesh to return to dust.
Kerwin.John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit **is spirit**.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; **the flesh profiteth nothing**: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a ***quickening spirit***.
wakeup.
Wakeup,Yes, that what is born of Spirit is spirit and so the Spirit to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Jesus tells us that is what the Councilor does.
Yes, that what is born of flesh is flesh and so Jesus was not telling Nicodemus that you must enter your mother's womb a second time in order to inherit the kingdom.
The Spirit is life because those who choose to live by it inherit eternal life.
Kerwin.You are playing with words.
The scripture is CLEAR;there is no need to explain
it with your own words.
THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT ***IS SPIRIT***—————————————————————–
QUOTE:
Jesus Christ is like angels in all the ways that count but even among the angels are those that have different bodies.
UNQUOTE:
—————————————————————–Angels are all spirit: yes, they are not all the same in *BRIGHTNESS*,but same in substance.
Juesus said: you will be as the angels, *in substance*.
*All spirit* There is no such as flesh and bone spirit.
Or flesh and bone with the spirit inside.
These are all added on doctrines,to cover up contradictions.
This is how they/pastors and the rest work.wakeup.
Wakeup,There is nowhere in Scripture that it states angels are composed of spirit. I believe that tenet, as the one about the resurrected body being composed of spirit, comes from Gnostic hearsay and a lack of knowledge of the cultural and environmental context or of the flexibility of language. We are told that the angels that visited Lot's house were able to both eat and touch, abilities a creature composed of spirit does not have.
T,
Quote no; scriptures are saying that the maiden was called Marry,and that she will be with child ;THAT IS ALL YOU KNOW ;ALL OF YOUR OTHER WORDS YOU HAVE ADDED TO IT BY YOUR IMAGINATION; Really!
Galatians 4:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Who do you thing God's Son that this passage declares is made of a woman is?
Are you going to disagree with it and say he was not made of a woman? It sure sounds like you are doing just that.
Romans 1:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Who is the seed of David Jesus' flesh is made of?
Are you going to declare that this passage is wrong and you are right? It sure sounds like it.
Luke 2:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
You seem to be of the opinion this passage is also wrong as well.
Are you sure you want to stubbornly cleave to the idea these three witnesses of God are wrong and your chosen devices are right?
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 19 2013,06:38) T, Quote no; scriptures are saying that the maiden was called Marry,and that she will be with child ;THAT IS ALL YOU KNOW ;ALL OF YOUR OTHER WORDS YOU HAVE ADDED TO IT BY YOUR IMAGINATION; Really!
Galatians 4:4
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Who do you thing God's Son that this passage declares is made of a woman is?
Are you going to disagree with it and say he was not made of a woman? It sure sounds like you are doing just that.
Romans 1:3
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Who is the seed of David Jesus' flesh is made of?
Are you going to declare that this passage is wrong and you are right? It sure sounds like it.
Luke 2:21
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
You seem to be of the opinion this passage is also wrong as well.
Are you sure you want to stubbornly cleave to the idea these three witnesses of God are wrong and your chosen devices are right?
KTHANKS ,
I like your answer ;and will get back on this ;
but first answer my questions on the last quote ;
and in the mean time do you believe that THE KING JAMES VERSION “ARE THE WORD OF GOD ”
OR YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE KJV IS ONLY ONE OF ITS VERSION MADE
CURIOUS TO KNOWQuote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2013,05:38) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,09:14) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2013,04:08) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 18 2013,08:54) Quote You say you believe,but in your heart,if it does
not agree with *you* you dont believe.I NEVER SAY THIS ;
YOU MADE IT UP ;NOT ME; SAD ,
THIS IS HOW THE ROADS OF THE TRUE WORSHIPERS SEPARATE FROM THE DECEIVERS (WORKING FOR THEIR OWN INTEREST )TAKING AWAY THE KINGDOM OF THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS ,AND USE GOD'S WRITTEN WORDS TO DO IT ;AND THE REPUTATION OF HIS SON TO COLLECT THE RUN OFFS OF WHEALTH
Terra.I am sorry for I have misunderstood you.
You said John the babtist never drank wine.
I agree.wakeup.
Terra.You still need to present the evidence proving that I am using scriptures to deceive.
Untill the evidence is put forward,I am not guilty.
I am innocent *untill* proven guilty.
Or you will be charged with false accusation.wakeup.
DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN BE GUILTY BY IGNORANCE JUST AS WELL ;BUT LESS PUNISHMENT WILL BE APPLY ,WE ARE TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE THINGS WE “DO”SAY” OR DID NOT “DO' OR SAY” AND SHOULD HAVE ,
SO BEFORE YOU ARE ACTING OR TALKING ;STEP BACK AND THINK ON YOUR ACTION TO BE SET UP
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