JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 15 2013,13:38)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,19:39) Jammin, So you believe “the word” in scripture should be translated the Christ. That's a silly argument, Kerwin.  99% of the time, “word” simply refers to a spoken or written word in scripture. It is only a few times that it refers to the main spokesman of God. So go ahead and translate only those few times as “Christ”, and you'll be right on the money.  Those times are John 1:1, 1:14, 1 John 1:1-2, and Revelation 19:13.  (I know there are more, but I can't place my finger on them right now.) And all the rest, you can continue to translate as “word”, because that's all they mean.

you are right mike.
i do not know the brand of mosquito coil that kerwin is taking.
maybe that is really strong…
he is out of his mind..

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2013,12:39)

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 15 2013,06:44) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,04:57) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 13 2013,18:00) kerwin not yet done? cant you accept that the word in john 1.1 is the son>? pls make your own bible. why are you making this hard for you> Jammin, Can't you believe the Word is the Logos of God? i believe the Word is the logos of God and that logos is the Christ. rev 19.13 you believe not the whole truth Jammin, So you believe “the word” in scripture should be translated the Christ. Isaiah 1:10 Jammin's version? 10 Hear the Christ of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah Your version sounds strange to my ears.

we were talking about john 1.1

are you ok boy??

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 15 2013,22:41)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2013,12:39) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 15 2013,06:44) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,04:57) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 13 2013,18:00) kerwin not yet done? cant you accept that the word in john 1.1 is the son>? pls make your own bible. why are you making this hard for you> Jammin, Can't you believe the Word is the Logos of God? i believe the Word is the logos of God and that logos is the Christ. rev 19.13 you believe not the whole truth Jammin, So you believe “the word” in scripture should be translated the Christ. Isaiah 1:10 Jammin's version? 10 Hear the Christ of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah Your version sounds strange to my ears. we were talking about john 1.1 are you ok boy??

(John 12:49)

“For I have NOT spoken of myself;
 but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
 what I should say, and what I should speak.“

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ.
John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD!

End of discussion.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

k

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I already told you that in a certain Jews has always been under grace and not under the law, even when his body was made

where any scripture

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,18:39)

Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

the truth as to be understood ,from scriptures ,and what you say does not fit the whole scriptures ,so you failed, in this truth ,

one verse does not make it ,the search must be done further and so must be understood in truth of God not men's opinion

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2013,09:32)

T, I already pointed out that Proverbs 8 is not speaking of Jesus as it is not By Jesus Christ kings reign, and princes decree justice. and it is By godly Wisdom kings reign, and princes decree justice. Jesus is the Prince of Princes and King of kings but he is not Wisdom.  He reigns by it and decrees justice by it.

K

you are running away from Prov 8 ;30-31

so address it

[942767]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39)

Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

That is correct, and since John 1c states “and the Word was God”, it cannot be speaking of Jesus as a sentient person because he himself has stated that he was not God.

Through John 1 God is telling us that when he began to create the world he had a plan, and that his plan would be fulfilled in His giving of His Only Begotten Son, all things were made by him and without him was nothing made that was made, and so the Word, Logos, pertains to Jesus, but is not him as a sentient person. Through His giving us His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation for our sins, and reconciling us unto Himself, He has shown us his Love for us, and this is John 1c. And the Word was God. God is love, and through Jesus God has shown us his character. (John 1:18, John 14).

And in the plan of God, He states “let us make man in our image, in the image of God created He them, male and female created He them”. The first Adam was made a living soul, and the Last Adam, Jesus, was made a life giving spirit, the spirit of Christ, through whom also we who are born again are being sanctified and made in His image. And Jesus is God's heir, and we are joint heirs with him.

One last thing which I believe shows that Jesus was not some other being prior to being born into this world, but he came into being through his birth, and was sent into the world in his ministry to fulfill the plan of God.

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Jhn 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,21:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39) Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed: That is correct, and since John 1c states “and the Word was God”, it cannot be speaking of Jesus as a sentient person because he himself has stated that he was not God. Through John 1 God is telling us that when he began to create the world he had a plan, and that his plan would be fulfilled in His giving of His Only Begotten Son, all things were made by him and without him was nothing made that was made, and so the Word, Logos, pertains to Jesus, but is not him as a sentient person.  Through His giving us His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation for our sins, and reconciling us unto Himself, He has shown us his Love for us, and this is John 1c. And the Word was God.  God is love, and through Jesus God has shown us his character. (John 1:18, John 14). And in the plan of God, He states “let us make man in our image, in the image of God created He them, male and female created He them”.  The first Adam was made a living soul, and the Last Adam, Jesus, was made a life giving spirit, the spirit of Christ, through whom also we who are born again are being sanctified and made in His image.  And Jesus is God's heir, and we are joint heirs with him. One last thing which I believe shows that Jesus was not some other being prior to being born into this world, but he came into being through his birth, and was sent into the world in his ministry to fulfill the plan of God. Quote Jhn 18:37   Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

this is not an Arnold Schwarzenegger   movie ,
(One last thing which I believe shows that Jesus was not some other being prior to being born into this world, but he came into being through his birth, and was sent into the world in his ministry to fulfill the plan of God.)
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your interpretation of ;

Jn 18:37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

could you explain this ;
1) In fact, for this reason I was born, ( I am a king)
2)and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth( what is the truth )

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2013,02:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39) Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. God bless Ed J Hi Ed: That is correct, and since John 1c states “and the Word was God”, it cannot be speaking of Jesus as a sentient person because he himself has stated that he was not God. Love in Christ, Marty

That's right Marty, before Jesus was born there was no Jesus
ONLY God!  And Jesus came out from God. (see John 16:27)
God created all things for his pleasure.  (Revelation 4:11)

“Thou art worthy, O LORD, to receive glory and honor and power: for THOU (YHVH)
 hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” (Rev 4:11)
“All things were made by [God] and without [God] was nothing made that was made.”

Your brother    
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Aug. 15 2013,17:41)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2013,12:39) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 15 2013,06:44) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,04:57) Quote (jammin @ Aug. 13 2013,18:00) kerwin not yet done? cant you accept that the word in john 1.1 is the son>? pls make your own bible. why are you making this hard for you> Jammin, Can't you believe the Word is the Logos of God? i believe the Word is the logos of God and that logos is the Christ. rev 19.13 you believe not the whole truth Jammin, So you believe “the word” in scripture should be translated the Christ. Isaiah 1:10 Jammin's version? 10 Hear the Christ of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah Your version sounds strange to my ears. we were talking about john 1.1 are you ok boy??

Jammin,

Why not any other passage that mentions “the word” as you have just as much evidence to support such a claim, which is to say none.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2013,21:08)

k Quote I already told you that in a certain Jews has always been under grace and not under the law, even when his body was made where any scripture

T,

I don't know what happened there but I meant to write:

I already told you that in a certain way he has always been under grace and not under the law, even when his body was made.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 15 2013,21:16)

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2013,09:32) T, I already pointed out that Proverbs 8 is not speaking of Jesus as it is not By Jesus Christ kings reign, and princes decree justice. and it is By godly Wisdom kings reign, and princes decree justice. Jesus is the Prince of Princes and King of kings but he is not Wisdom.  He reigns by it and decrees justice by it. K you are running away from Prov 8 ;30-31 so address it

T,

I am addressing it. Are you hearing?

[942767]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2013,06:34)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2013,02:32) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39) Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. God bless Ed J Hi Ed: That is correct, and since John 1c states “and the Word was God”, it cannot be speaking of Jesus as a sentient person because he himself has stated that he was not God. Love in Christ, Marty That's right Marty, before Jesus was born there was no Jesus ONLY God!  And Jesus came out from God. (see John 16:27) God created all things for his pleasure.  (Revelation 4:11) “Thou art worthy, O LORD, to receive glory and honor and power: for THOU (YHVH)  hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” (Rev 4:11) “All things were made by [God] and without [God] was nothing made that was made.” Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

Jesus was foreordained from the beginning but he did not exist as a sentient individual until he was born into this world.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2013,10:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 16 2013,06:34) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 16 2013,02:32) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39) Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. God bless Ed J Hi Ed: That is correct, and since John 1c states “and the Word was God”, it cannot be speaking of Jesus as a sentient person because he himself has stated that he was not God. Love in Christ, Marty That's right Marty, before Jesus was born there was no Jesus ONLY God!  And Jesus came out from God. (see John 16:27) God created all things for his pleasure.  (Revelation 4:11) “Thou art worthy, O LORD, to receive glory and honor and power: for THOU (YHVH)  hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.” (Rev 4:11) “All things were made by [God] and without [God] was nothing made that was made.” Your brother     in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed: Jesus was foreordained from the beginning but he did not exist as a sentient individual until he was born into this world. Love in Christ, Marty

Yes Marty, I believe we for the most part agree.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,21:16)

God's Word is more than man's word as God spoke and all that is created came to be and nothing that is created came to be without God's Word.

Show me in scripture, Kerwin……….. one at a time.

List a scripture where “word” means something other than a word that someone spoke or wrote.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 14 2013,22:44)

Mike, What I am saying is that God rules the Spirit

Yes Kerwin,

I am well aware of what you're saying. Now listen to what I'M saying…………. YOU ARE WRONG.

God rules over both spirit AND flesh. Again………. END OF STORY.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,09:32)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39) Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. Hi Ed: That is correct………….

So “God” was WITH “God” in the beginning? Get real, fellas.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,12:21)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,09:32) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39) Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. Hi Ed: That is correct…………. So “God” was WITH “God” in the beginning?  Get real, fellas.

Hi Mike,

If I make a CD of me and give it to you,
it was with me in the beginning and it was me.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[942767]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,12:21)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,09:32) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,23:39) Hi Jammin, John 1:1 does NOT say the word was Christ. John 1:1 instead says “The Word” was GOD! End of discussion. Hi Ed: That is correct…………. So “God” was WITH “God” in the beginning?  Get real, fellas.

Hi Mike:

The “Logos” was with God. The plan for this world and for his creation “was with God”. The Logos or plan pertains to God's giving the world “His only Begotten Son” that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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