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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,14:57) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,18:54) Kerwin,
No, one!
I feel strongly that the word who was with God and was God is one God not two.
Now this is the kind of thing that I just can't wrap my head around. How in the world of sanity can our ONE God be WITH our ONE God?
And when people try to make this argument to me, their credibility meter takes a big nose dive, IMO. I find it hard to take the other things they say seriously, because there must be something lacking in a person who thinks it makes perfect sense for our ONE God to be WITH our ONE God.
I also feel that NO ONE ON EARTH would EVER make such a nonsensical claim unless they are dead set against the more logical understanding that “THE god” was with “a god” in the beginning.
As Origen wrote about John 1:1…………
Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two gods, and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked.
I wouldn't necessarily call these doctrines “wicked”, but they are indeed false – as well as nonsensical.
Sorry if that was harsh…. but I'm telling it like it is from my perspective.
Mike,
It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?
Give up reading “Origen” – his writings were later tampered with according to Wikipedia.Quote (jammin @ June 30 2013,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2013,11:45) Quote (jammin @ June 30 2013,06:10) Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2013,09:26) Quote (jammin @ June 30 2013,04:20) Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,11:55) Quote (jammin @ June 29 2013,04:03) not yet done? jesus is the WORD in john 1.1
.what else do you need to know?
if you do not agree, then make your own version lol
Jammin,It is not written.
it is written but you are blind.
Christ Lived Before the World Was Made1 The Word (Christ) was in the beginning. The Word was with God. The Word was God.
Revelation 19:13
New Life Version (NLV)
13 The coat He wears has been put in blood. His name is The Word of GodMatthew Henry's Concise Commentary
1:1-5 The plainest reason why the Son of God is called the Word, seems to be, that as our words explain our minds to others, so was the Son of God sent in order to reveal his Father's mind to the world.bible and commentary agree to me.
may God open your eyes.
Jammin,You are explaining.
i just gave you the verse.
cant you read those verses?how about the commentary? dont you see that?
Jammin,I see that you do not comprehend () embraces a non-biblical comment. Comments are explaining though not by you. Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary explains in more details. You use Revelation 19:13 to explain. In short all you posted is explaining.
you dont believe what the bible says.
you are a hard headed boy.
Jammin,You are confused as is your word I do not believe. God does the impossible so believe he can and did empower Jesus, a human being, to never sin even the later was tempted as is common to men.
Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,08:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,14:57) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,18:54) Kerwin,
No, one!
I feel strongly that the word who was with God and was God is one God not two.
Now this is the kind of thing that I just can't wrap my head around. How in the world of sanity can our ONE God be WITH our ONE God?And when people try to make this argument to me, their credibility meter takes a big nose dive, IMO. I find it hard to take the other things they say seriously, because there must be something lacking in a person who thinks it makes perfect sense for our ONE God to be WITH our ONE God.
I also feel that NO ONE ON EARTH would EVER make such a nonsensical claim unless they are dead set against the more logical understanding that “THE god” was with “a god” in the beginning.
As Origen wrote about John 1:1…………
Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two gods, and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked.
I wouldn't necessarily call these doctrines “wicked”, but they are indeed false – as well as nonsensical.
Sorry if that was harsh…. but I'm telling it like it is from my perspective.
Mike,
It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?
Give up reading “Origen” – his writings were later tampered with according to Wikipedia.
Mike, 2besee;John wrote that God is the light and God is in the light. Do you then ask how God can be in himself?
1 John 1:5-7
King James Version (KJV)5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,20:28) Mike, 2besee; John wrote that God is the light and God is in the light. Do you then ask how God can be in himself?
In the beginning was the light. And the light was with God, and the light was God.All things were created through the light. John came as a witness to the light. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
The light became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Okay Kerwin and 2B. I understand your point that God can BE light, and God can dwell IN light. But does the rest of it fit?
If God IS the Word, then was the world created both BY God and THROUGH God?
Did John come as a witness concerning God Himself……… or the one God SENT?
And why would it be necessary to point out to us that John himself WASN'T the light? If the Word was truly God Himself, would it really be necessary for John to explain to us that John the Baptist was NOT God Almighty?
Did God Himself come to that which was His own – but the world did not receive Him?
Did God Himself become flesh and dwell on earth with the glory of His own Son?
How can God also be the Son of God?
See guys? It's ALL got to fit. So while your point is valid enough, it doesn't come close to fitting the testimony of John 1 in its entirety – let alone the hundreds of other scriptures it must also fit.
On the other hand, Jesus being the Word who was with God in the beginning fits every single scripture under the sun.
Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10) Mike,
It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?
Not hard at all. What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:56) Kerwin,
And that attribute of God was made flesh and dwelt among us….?
Are you coming to your senses, 2B? You've asked a very good question.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:56) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10) Mike,
It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?
Not hard at all. What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?
It seems to be hard for you to understand.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:57) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:56) Kerwin,
And that attribute of God was made flesh and dwelt among us….?Are you coming to your senses, 2B? You've asked a very good question.
Mike,
Not so fast.The attribute of God from the beginning is not another God, is it.
Did John come to testify about an attribute of God? Where in scripture can I read about that?
Is an attribute of God both “God Himself” AND “the Son of God”?
Did an attribute of God BECOME FLESH and dwell on earth?
Is the name of an attribute of God the only thing by which we can be saved and by which we are given the right to become children of God?
See 2B? It has to fit EVERYTHING – not just one or two things.
Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:56) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10) Mike,
It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?
Not hard at all. What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?
It seems to be hard for you to understand.
Well, it's not. Nor do I have any idea why it would seem that way to you. Perhaps you could explain.Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,16:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:57) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:56) Kerwin,
And that attribute of God was made flesh and dwelt among us….?Are you coming to your senses, 2B? You've asked a very good question.
Mike,
Not so fast.The attribute of God from the beginning is not another God, is it.
That attribute of God is a part of God.Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,16:19) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:56) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10) Mike,
It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?
Not hard at all. What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?
It seems to be hard for you to understand.
Well, it's not. Nor do I have any idea why it would seem that way to you. Perhaps you could explain.
Mike,
Your second to last post on page 889.Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2013,04:25) Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2013,03:34) Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2013,00:27) Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2013,23:58) Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,23:28) Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2013,18:12) Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,15:43) Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2013,08:09) Kerwin Quote T, God is Love and Jesus is the Light and the Word. You are the one that wants to claim Love is an attribute of God while denying that the Light and the Word are even though they are written in the same pattern.
we have discussed many times “God is LOVE ” but what sort of LOVE is God
and why is John say this please answer me Christ being the light and his disciples being the ligh,and the true believers being the light ;means in reality THE PROVIDERS OF THE TRUTH OF GOD
READ THE SCRIPTURES AND LEARN
T,John speaks of the light that comes into the world and denied he was that light. Jesus claimed to be that light. Light means more than the provider of the Truth as John the Baptist provided Truth.
I, like John, assume believers what love is being spoken of.
KQuote Light means more than the provider of the Truth show me in scriptures;
T,I already did be pointing out that John the Baptist stated he is not the light even though is a provider of truth.
KJohn the baptist is not a provider of truth ;he his a prophet the last one before Christ ,
the term used to provide understanding in god's truth ,is from Christ until now ,but when Christ was on earth it was light like in a full peak of the day, and lather it became darker when the apostles where faded out ,then darkness start to sink in ,
so now my question to you is ;why is God called the light and Christ
T,So you believe light = provider of the gospel.
I do not see how it fits.
John 3:19
King James Version (KJV)19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
What are your thoughts.
Kwhy you answer me for a question I did not ask ,
please answer me on my question ,if you can
and do not change my question so to mean some thing else ;like ;
Quote T, So you believe light = provider of the gospel.
where did I say that the light means the gospel
T,I was asking if I understood you correctly by using a so-statement. It does not seem I did even though I believe “god's truth ,is from Christ until now” means the gospel. Please clear up the matter. John 3:19 adds more to consider before responding.
Kerwinthe entire 4 (1 to 4) are mainly describing Christ ,and so is Paul in Col;1 ;15-21
I could not find where it says THAT GOD IS A LIGHT IN THE BIBLE ;
BUT ;look up Luk 2;32 and Prov;13;9 and 2Cor 4;6
2Co 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
so the light that shines are in the possession of those who provides the truth of God to others
because THE LIGHT HIS THE TRUTH
1Jn 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 We write this to make our joy complete.Walking in the Light
1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.T,
The words are “God is light” and not “God is a light” and it is in the passage from 1 John you quoted. The rest of what you wrote I hope to process.
Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,21:23) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,16:19) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:59) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:56) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10) Mike,
It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?
Not hard at all. What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?
It seems to be hard for you to understand.
Well, it's not. Nor do I have any idea why it would seem that way to you. Perhaps you could explain.
Mike,
Your second to last post on page 889.
Are you confusing Jehovah your god is one with there is literally only one god in existence?Because the former surely doesn't say the latter. Do you think it does?
Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,07:00) Kerwin and all,
The love that God has is not another God but is part of God though God's love can be seen in others in different degrees of strength, so it is with the logos of God.
2beeAnd what would that be
What we can see that is
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