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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2013,07:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2013,19:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2013,05:59) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2013,23:51) Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2013,21:30)
who is the person that JB talks about ONE NAME PLEASE ;?…….
T,John is using John the Baptist's words to teach of the attributes of Jesus.
Kwhy do you have to interpret what as not to be ;you did not answer my question ,
and you pick some kind of weird approach to all those scriptures very strange,
Spot on, Pierre.Kerwin, the answer to Pierre's question is “JESUS OF NAZARETH”.
The bizarre, pseudo-psycho wording you chose, in an effort to mask your reluctance to answer Pierre's question directly and honestly, is very thinly veiled, Kerwin. People like Pierre and I see right through that mumbo-jumbo – and know exactly why you choose to word things the way you do.
You aim to hide the simple truth of the answers we seek beneath a mask of pseudo-babble.
Your efforts are transparent to us – as is evident from Pierre's response.
Mike,I have no intentions to give either you or Pierre an answer you can twist to mean what it does not. When John is speaking of the light and John the Baptist is speaking of Jesus then it is clear the passage is teaching of the light attribute of Jesus. You seem to understand the words “God is love” and yet it appears you cannot understand “I am the light”.
Kerwin,The point remains that the actual honest answer to Pierre's question is “JESUS CHRIST”.
But you don't WANT to admit it out loud, so you babble all around the point – as if we are idiots and don't know exactly what you're doing.
Please tell me how the answer to Pierre's question is NOT “Jesus Christ”. Show us all (IN CLEAR WORDS) how that answer is incorrect.
Either that, or ADMIT that it IS the correct answer and be done with it.
Mike,An honest answer is the answer I gave.
Both the Light and the Word are attributes of Jesus just as Love is an attribute of God.
Quote (jammin @ June 29 2013,04:03) not yet done? jesus is the WORD in john 1.1
.what else do you need to know?
if you do not agree, then make your own version lol
Jammin,It is not written.
To Mike and all,
God is light and the light shine through Jesus Christ.
In 1st John, 1-10, it starts off with a similar kind of opening to John 1 – it is speaking about the light being God (the Father) and remember that the light came into the world:
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him is no darkness at all.”
“If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; but if we walk in the light, as he (God) is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
'our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.'
'God is light and in him is no darkness at all.'
' if we walk in the light, as he (God the Father) is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.'
The light is God Almighty. The light is the Father of Jesus.
Go back to John 1. Who there is the light?
The light in 1st John is the Father. The light (The Father) came into the world in Spirit, and walked with man. God Almighty no-one has ever seen, he lives in unapproachable light. He could not and did not come down in totality, but he came down through the the eternal Spirit. The eternal Spirit came into the World.
1st Tim 3:16
I'God was revealed in the flesh…… In Jesus Christ who was the son of God. Jesus became the son of God when he was conceived through the power of above, and also when the spirit came upon him at baptism, and then when he was begotten from the dead.
Go back to John 1… 'The Life' mentioned is also 'The Light' (same thing)
'In him (God the Father) was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.'
'The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him (God's eternal Spirit), yet the world knew him not.'
See 1st John 5-7 again – please.
'and the world was made through him, God is that light.
Jesus also calls himself the light:
“I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
“As long as you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become children of light.” After Jesus had said this, he went away and hid from them.”
He (God's eternal spirit) was in the world, and the world was made through him.
But the world knew him not.
Jesus also says
'You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can't be hidden.'
and,
'For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light'
Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,01:43) Is the pot now calling the kettle black? It is not I that is following
what the systems of religion and the traditions of men teach.
Amen.Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,06:46) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,08:15) Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,07:40) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,05:20) Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,02:53) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,02:43) Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,01:09) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2013,23:51) Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2013,21:30) K Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—Jn 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”
who is the person that JB talks about ONE NAME PLEASE ;?…….
Jn 1:16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
so please answer my question
T,Quote who is the person that JB talks about ONE NAME PLEASE ;?……. John is using John the Baptist's words to teach of the attributes of Jesus. One is that Jesus is the Light of man, another is that he is the Word of God, yet another is he is a human being.
Kwhy do you have to interpret what as not to be ;you did not answer my question ,
and you pick some kind of weird approach to all those scriptures very strange,
and you are also take the wrong explanation for Christ being the light ,
this is were we can see honesty ,and truthfulness of those whom we ask for answers before God presence
T,The viewpoint of the 1st Century is alien to the viewpoint of the 21st Century.
I did answer you question in such a way to avoid being misunderstood. It seems it is not the way you desired.
You seem to understand that love is an attribute of God and yet you are not understanding that light is an attribute of Jesus. I do not know why that is nor have I any power to change it.
Kerwin
is God change ;scriptures says God almighty is the same in the beginning and at the end of things HE (GOD) NEVER CHANGES ,
SO YOU ARE LOST
T,The fact that we are not the ones that the various books of Scripture are written to does not mean God changes. It is us that must change our viewpoint in order to understand Scripture.
kWE DO NOT HAVE TO CHANGE OUR VIEW POINT ,
only if we want to follow and obey to his rules ,
rules that as never changed sins Adam and Noah
the scriptures are only written to those who believe them,that simple
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
T,So according to you the viewpoint of the 1st Century is the same viewpoint as the 21st Century.
Ki am always thinking of God's word not of men ,I hope that is what you are talking about as well
T,I am speaking of being a Jew to a Jew and a Greek to a Greek. Cultural viewpoint changes over time and place.
kCULTURE is one thing but the words of God remains forever
men die ,all cultures have gone and new ones have come BUT THE WORDS OF GOD HAVE REMAIN THE SAME
Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,07:14) To Mike and all, God is light and the light shine through Jesus Christ.
In 1st John, 1-10, it starts off with a similar kind of opening to John 1 – it is speaking about the light being God (the Father) and remember that the light came into the world:
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him is no darkness at all.”
“If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; but if we walk in the light, as he (God) is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
'our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.'
'God is light and in him is no darkness at all.'
' if we walk in the light, as he (God the Father) is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.'
The light is God Almighty. The light is the Father of Jesus.
Go back to John 1. Who there is the light?
The light in 1st John is the Father. The light (The Father) came into the world in Spirit, and walked with man. God Almighty no-one has ever seen, he lives in unapproachable light. He could not and did not come down in totality, but he came down through the the eternal Spirit. The eternal Spirit came into the World.
1st Tim 3:16
I'God was revealed in the flesh…… In Jesus Christ who was the son of God. Jesus became the son of God when he was conceived through the power of above, and also when the spirit came upon him at baptism, and then when he was begotten from the dead.
Go back to John 1… 'The Life' mentioned is also 'The Light' (same thing)
'In him (God the Father) was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.'
'The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him (God's eternal Spirit), yet the world knew him not.'
See 1st John 5-7 again – please.
'and the world was made through him, God is that light.
Jesus also calls himself the light:
“I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
“As long as you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become children of light.” After Jesus had said this, he went away and hid from them.”
He (God's eternal spirit) was in the world, and the world was made through him.
But the world knew him not.
Jesus also says
'You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can't be hidden.'
and,
'For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light'
2beeQuote God is light and the light shine through Jesus Christ. I though that God was a spirit ;where does it say in scriptures that God his light
2bee
Quote The light in 1st John is the Father. The light (The Father) came into the world in Spirit, and walked with man. God Almighty no-one has ever seen, he lives in unapproachable light. He could not and did not come down in totality, but he came down through the the eternal Spirit. The eternal Spirit came into the World. show us in scriptures ,what you are so sure of to be true ;IF YOU CAN ,and please do not mix the lights up
Kerwin
Quote T, God is Love and Jesus is the Light and the Word. You are the one that wants to claim Love is an attribute of God while denying that the Light and the Word are even though they are written in the same pattern.
we have discussed many times “God is LOVE ” but what sort of LOVE is God
and why is John say this please answer me Christ being the light and his disciples being the ligh,and the true believers being the light ;means in reality THE PROVIDERS OF THE TRUTH OF GOD
READ THE SCRIPTURES AND LEARN
Light and love go together. The opposite to light and love is darkness with hate. The darkness though has never OVERCOME the light.
Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2013,07:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,06:46) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,08:15) Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,07:40) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,05:20) Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,02:53) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,02:43) Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,01:09) Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,00:10) Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2013,23:51) Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2013,21:30) K Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—Jn 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”
who is the person that JB talks about ONE NAME PLEASE ;?…….
Jn 1:16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”Jn 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
so please answer my question
T,Quote who is the person that JB talks about ONE NAME PLEASE ;?……. John is using John the Baptist's words to teach of the attributes of Jesus. One is that Jesus is the Light of man, another is that he is the Word of God, yet another is he is a human being.
Kwhy do you have to interpret what as not to be ;you did not answer my question ,
and you pick some kind of weird approach to all those scriptures very strange,
and you are also take the wrong explanation for Christ being the light ,
this is were we can see honesty ,and truthfulness of those whom we ask for answers before God presence
T,The viewpoint of the 1st Century is alien to the viewpoint of the 21st Century.
I did answer you question in such a way to avoid being misunderstood. It seems it is not the way you desired.
You seem to understand that love is an attribute of God and yet you are not understanding that light is an attribute of Jesus. I do not know why that is nor have I any power to change it.
Kerwin is God change ;scriptures says God almighty is the same in the beginning and at the end of things HE (GOD) NEVER CHANGES ,
SO YOU ARE LOST
T,The fact that we are not the ones that the various books of Scripture are written to does not mean God changes. It is us that must change our viewpoint in order to understand Scripture.
kWE DO NOT HAVE TO CHANGE OUR VIEW POINT ,
only if we want to follow and obey to his rules ,
rules that as never changed sins Adam and Noah
the scriptures are only written to those who believe them,that simple
Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
T,So according to you the viewpoint of the 1st Century is the same viewpoint as the 21st Century.
Ki am always thinking of God's word not of men ,I hope that is what you are talking about as well
T,I am speaking of being a Jew to a Jew and a Greek to a Greek. Cultural viewpoint changes over time and place.
kCULTURE is one thing but the words of God remains forever
men die ,all cultures have gone and new ones have come BUT THE WORDS OF GOD HAVE REMAIN THE SAME
T,The Words of God spoken to the culture of the 1st Century mean the same as those spoken to the cultural of the 21st Century but are not spoken in the same way.
Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2013,08:09) Kerwin Quote T, God is Love and Jesus is the Light and the Word. You are the one that wants to claim Love is an attribute of God while denying that the Light and the Word are even though they are written in the same pattern.
we have discussed many times “God is LOVE ” but what sort of LOVE is God
and why is John say this please answer me Christ being the light and his disciples being the ligh,and the true believers being the light ;means in reality THE PROVIDERS OF THE TRUTH OF GOD
READ THE SCRIPTURES AND LEARN
T,John speaks of the light that comes into the world and denied he was that light. Jesus claimed to be that light. Light means more than the provider of the Truth as John the Baptist provided Truth.
I, like John, assume believers what love is being spoken of.
Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,07:14) To Mike and all, God is light and the light shine through Jesus Christ.
In 1st John, 1-10, it starts off with a similar kind of opening to John 1 – it is speaking about the light being God (the Father) and remember that the light came into the world:
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him is no darkness at all.”
“If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; but if we walk in the light, as he (God) is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
'our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.'
'God is light and in him is no darkness at all.'
' if we walk in the light, as he (God the Father) is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.'
The light is God Almighty. The light is the Father of Jesus.
Go back to John 1. Who there is the light?
The light in 1st John is the Father. The light (The Father) came into the world in Spirit, and walked with man. God Almighty no-one has ever seen, he lives in unapproachable light. He could not and did not come down in totality, but he came down through the the eternal Spirit. The eternal Spirit came into the World.
1st Tim 3:16
I'God was revealed in the flesh…… In Jesus Christ who was the son of God. Jesus became the son of God when he was conceived through the power of above, and also when the spirit came upon him at baptism, and then when he was begotten from the dead.
Go back to John 1… 'The Life' mentioned is also 'The Light' (same thing)
'In him (God the Father) was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.'
'The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him (God's eternal Spirit), yet the world knew him not.'
See 1st John 5-7 again – please.
'and the world was made through him, God is that light.
Jesus also calls himself the light:
“I am the light of the world. The one who follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
“As long as you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become children of light.” After Jesus had said this, he went away and hid from them.”
He (God's eternal spirit) was in the world, and the world was made through him.
But the world knew him not.
Jesus also says
'You are the light of the world. A city located on a hill can't be hidden.'
and,
'For once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light'
2besee,What you wrote states both “God is light” and “God is in the light”. “God is Love” is another statement John uses. In the case of the later it is said Love is an attribute of God.
Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,15:43) Quote (terraricca @ June 29 2013,08:09) Kerwin Quote T, God is Love and Jesus is the Light and the Word. You are the one that wants to claim Love is an attribute of God while denying that the Light and the Word are even though they are written in the same pattern.
we have discussed many times “God is LOVE ” but what sort of LOVE is God
and why is John say this please answer me Christ being the light and his disciples being the ligh,and the true believers being the light ;means in reality THE PROVIDERS OF THE TRUTH OF GOD
READ THE SCRIPTURES AND LEARN
T,John speaks of the light that comes into the world and denied he was that light. Jesus claimed to be that light. Light means more than the provider of the Truth as John the Baptist provided Truth.
I, like John, assume believers what love is being spoken of.
KQuote Light means more than the provider of the Truth show me in scriptures;
Quote 2besee, What you wrote states both “God is light” and “God is in the light”. “God is Love” is another statement John uses. In the case of the later it is said Love is an attribute of God.
Hi Kerwin,
If it is said by some that love is an attribute of God, despite it saying that God IS Love, then the word can be an attribute of God too……….? Therefore,
Love is with God, and God is Love.
Logos is with God, and God is Logos.
Does anybody actually know what logos is?
Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,18:40) Quote 2besee, What you wrote states both “God is light” and “God is in the light”. “God is Love” is another statement John uses. In the case of the later it is said Love is an attribute of God.
Hi Kerwin,
If it is said by some that love is an attribute of God, despite it saying that God IS Love, then the word can be an attribute of God too……….? Therefore,
Love is with God, and God is Love.
Logos is with God, and God is Logos.
Does anybody actually know what logos is?
2BEEQuote Love is with God, and God is Love. WAS GOD'S LOVE IN DARFUR Africa starvation ,and is God's love within all the disasters like Japan,Katrina in the USA ???and more
just ask if you know
Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2013,01:55) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,18:40) Quote 2besee, What you wrote states both “God is light” and “God is in the light”. “God is Love” is another statement John uses. In the case of the later it is said Love is an attribute of God.
Hi Kerwin,
If it is said by some that love is an attribute of God, despite it saying that God IS Love, then the word can be an attribute of God too……….? Therefore,
Love is with God, and God is Love.
Logos is with God, and God is Logos.
Does anybody actually know what logos is?
2BEEQuote Love is with God, and God is Love. WAS GOD'S LOVE IN DARFUR Africa starvation ,and is God's love within all the disasters like Japan,Katrina in the USA ???and more
just ask if you know
T,
The Beatitudes
2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons a of God.
10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,19:23) Quote (terraricca @ June 30 2013,01:55) Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,18:40) Quote 2besee, What you wrote states both “God is light” and “God is in the light”. “God is Love” is another statement John uses. In the case of the later it is said Love is an attribute of God.
Hi Kerwin,
If it is said by some that love is an attribute of God, despite it saying that God IS Love, then the word can be an attribute of God too……….? Therefore,
Love is with God, and God is Love.
Logos is with God, and God is Logos.
Does anybody actually know what logos is?
2BEEQuote Love is with God, and God is Love. WAS GOD'S LOVE IN DARFUR Africa starvation ,and is God's love within all the disasters like Japan,Katrina in the USA ???and more
just ask if you know
T,
The Beatitudes
2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons a of God.
10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
you do not answer my questionTerricca……….if you had half the understanding you think you have you could answer that question yourself , I will give you the answer, it is yes now let's see if you can figure that out. If you can't I'll explained it for you later.
Peace and love…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 29 2013,21:08) Terricca……….if you had half the understanding you think you have you could answer that question yourself , I will give you the answer, it is yes now let's see if you can figure that out. If you can't I'll explained it for you later. Peace and love…………………………gene
gif you answered my question ask to 2bee please tell how ;sins you answered YES
Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,00:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2013,12:52) Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2013,19:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2013,10:40) Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2013,17:22) …….and that is the vesture that those who are filled with God's HolySpirit are covered with in the battle…….
Oh. So then it is NOT really the blood of those slain, as you previously claimed?
Never claimed it was.
Actually you did, Ed. You likened it to this verse:Isaiah 63:3
I have trodden the winepress alone;
from the nations no one was with me.
I trampled them in my anger
and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments,
and I stained all my clothing.See how this blood comes from people the person has already killed? This is NOT the case in Rev 19, is it?
Hi Mike,NO; I said the wording was symbolic and spiritual in nature.
Ed,I don't KNOW what the blood on the robe is. When 2B asked me that question, I OPINED that it refers to the blood of Jesus' sacrifice – just as he is also seen as a lamb who looks like it has been slaughtered, earlier in Revelation.
So I don't KNOW that I'm right, and you're wrong. But I DO know that Isaiah 63 speaks of one being covered with the blood of those he has already slain. And since in Rev 19, the blood is already on the rider BEFORE the battle even begins, I don't believe it can be the blood of those the rider has already slain.
So whether you take the blood symbolically, or literally, it doesn't seem as if it can be the blood of those slain, since the blood is there before the battle begins.
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