JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,06:23)

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,10:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ; is that your own version? when will you publish that boy? LOL Jammin you will not ever understand this ,you are stuck on Ph2;6 ; and on other miss understanding ;but you are free to show me in scriptures that I am wrong ,if you can

your words are non sense. you talk too much .
i just want version in col 1.15 that says christ is the first creation of God.
you said that T and you must prove that to me.

can you find one or not?

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,03:29)

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,05:08) you talk too much kerwin. im sure you dont understand what you are talking. do you believe that thomas said to JESUS , MY LORD AND MY GOD? (john 20.28) yes or no? Jammin, Thomas said those words

yes right. thomas said those words (MY LORD AND MY GOD) to?

pick your answer
1. father
2. son (jesus)

[mikeboll64]

jammin, Kathi, and Charles,

Is Jesus the Most High God?  Or the Son of the Most High God?  Which one?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,04:44)

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,03:29) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,05:08) you talk too much kerwin. im sure you dont understand what you are talking. do you believe that thomas said to JESUS , MY LORD AND MY GOD? (john 20.28) yes or no? Jammin, Thomas said those words yes right. thomas said those words (MY LORD AND MY GOD) to? pick your answer 1. father 2. son (jesus)

Jammin,

Neither!

He said them in response to Jesus' instructions to believe after Jesus gave him evidence that he was alive after having died.

As I said previously, your understanding is flawed.

[terraricca]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,04:43)

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,06:23) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,10:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ; is that your own version? when will you publish that boy? LOL Jammin you will not ever understand this ,you are stuck on Ph2;6 ; and on other miss understanding ;but you are free to show me in scriptures that I am wrong ,if you can your words are non sense. you talk too much . i just want version in col 1.15 that says christ is the first creation of God. you said that T and you must prove that to me. can you find one or not?

Jammin

every man can only receive from God what he is willing to give to him, I will not prove nothing to you ,because how could you see truth if you do not have any in the first place

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ April 25 2013,04:13)

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,06:27) Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2013,14:34) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,15:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ; is that your own version? when will you publish that boy? LOL No, it is 'brain-bondo' hi Edj (1)i do not understand that expression of words; (2)but if you disagree with what i say ,please show me in scriptures were i went wrong (3)i am always happy to learn new things of truth. Hi Pierre, 1) Bondo is used in car repairs to fill in the gaps. “Brain bondo” invents pieces to complete a story. 2) I always do. 3) BS  (I hope you know what that means) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

this is number 3 is very popular all over the English world

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,12:20)

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,04:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,03:29) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,05:08) you talk too much kerwin. im sure you dont understand what you are talking. do you believe that thomas said to JESUS , MY LORD AND MY GOD? (john 20.28) yes or no? Jammin, Thomas said those words yes right. thomas said those words (MY LORD AND MY GOD) to? pick your answer 1. father 2. son (jesus) Jammin, Neither! He said them in response to Jesus' instructions to believe after Jesus gave him evidence that he was alive after having died.   As I said previously, your understanding is flawed.

do not explain boy. just pick your answer. what are you talking about neither?

did thomas say those words to the father or to the son? (john 20.28)

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,12:48)

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,04:43) Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,06:23) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,10:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ; is that your own version? when will you publish that boy? LOL Jammin you will not ever understand this ,you are stuck on Ph2;6 ; and on other miss understanding ;but you are free to show me in scriptures that I am wrong ,if you can your words are non sense. you talk too much . i just want version in col 1.15 that says christ is the first creation of God. you said that T and you must prove that to me. can you find one or not? Jammin every man can only receive from God what he is willing to give to him, I will not prove nothing to you ,because how could you see truth if you do not have any in the first place

i know bec you cant prove anything boy.
you cant give me any version that proves your imagination. sad to say but your imagination will always be an imagination. LOL

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,12:48)

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,04:43) Quote (terraricca @ April 25 2013,06:23) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,10:32) T, you said Christ is the first creation of God ; is that your own version? when will you publish that boy? LOL Jammin you will not ever understand this ,you are stuck on Ph2;6 ; and on other miss understanding ;but you are free to show me in scriptures that I am wrong ,if you can your words are non sense. you talk too much . i just want version in col 1.15 that says christ is the first creation of God. you said that T and you must prove that to me. can you find one or not? Jammin every man can only receive from God what he is willing to give to him, I will not prove nothing to you ,because how could you see truth if you do not have any in the first place

i know bec you cant prove anything boy.
you cant give me any version that proves your imagination. sad to say but your imagination will always be an imagination. LOL

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2013,10:02)

jammin, Kathi, and Charles, Is Jesus the Most High God?  Or the Son of the Most High God?  Which one?

both are true boy BUT HE IS NOT THE FATHER.

do you get it?

“that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father” (John 5:23).

now, how can we prove this in the bible.

first,
no one has ever seen God at any time.
New International Version (©2011)
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

but the God of OT has seen by men.

a good example is in the book of exodus.

Exodus 3
Knox Bible (KNOX)
3 Moses, in the meanwhile, had married the daughter of Jethro, priest of Madian, and was doing shepherd’s work for him. Deep into the desert he led his flock, till he reached God’s own mountain of Horeb. 2 And here the Lord revealed himself through a flame that rose up from the midst of a bush; it seemed that the bush was alight, yet did not burn. 3 Here is a great sight, said Moses, I must go up and see more of it, a bush that does not waste by burning. 4 But now, as he saw him coming up to look closer, the Lord called to him from the midst of the bush, Moses Moses; and when he answered, I am here, at thy command, 5 he was told, Do not come nearer; rather take the shoes from thy feet, thou art standing on holy ground.

now the question is who is this God that moses saw?

this is the most high God.
Genesis 14:20
and blessed be thatmost high God, whose protection has brought thy enemies into thy power. To him, Abram gave tithes of all he had won.

this God is the God of abraham, isaac and jacob according to ex 3.6

6 Then he said, I am the God thy father worshipped, the God of Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob. And Moses hid his face; he dared not look on the open sight of God.

they called this God as their Rock

2 Samuel 22:47
“The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be my God, the Rock, my Savior!

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Exodus 17:6
New Life Version (NLV)
6 See, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb. When you hit the rock, water will come out of it and the people will drink.” And Moses did so, with the leaders of Israel watching.

Paul said this Rock that went along with moses and to his people is Christ!

1 Corinthians 10:4
New Life Version (NLV)
4 They all drank the same holy drink. They drank from a holy Rock that went along with them. That holy Rock was Christ.

therefore, it is very clear that Christ was in the OT . he is the ROCK that went along with them (ex 17.6)

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,09:29)

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,12:20) Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,04:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,03:29) Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,05:08) you talk too much kerwin. im sure you dont understand what you are talking. do you believe that thomas said to JESUS , MY LORD AND MY GOD? (john 20.28) yes or no? Jammin, Thomas said those words yes right. thomas said those words (MY LORD AND MY GOD) to? pick your answer 1. father 2. son (jesus) Jammin, Neither! He said them in response to Jesus' instructions to believe after Jesus gave him evidence that he was alive after having died.   As I said previously, your understanding is flawed. do not explain boy. just pick your answer. what are you talking about neither? did thomas say those words to the father or to the son? (john 20.28)

Jammin,

I described the event I observed after you asked me about what I saw. Do you believe that Jesus gave many proofs he was alive after he died?

[jammin]

KERWIN

just answer my question
did thomas say those words to the father or to the son? (john 20.28)

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,15:28)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2013,10:02) jammin, Kathi, and Charles, Is Jesus the Most High God?  Or the Son of the Most High God?  Which one? both are true boy BUT HE IS NOT THE FATHER. do you get it?

Hi Jammin,

Are you and your father the same human?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,13:03)

KERWIN just answer my question did thomas say those words to the father or to the son? (john 20.28)

Jammin,

I answered your question but both the choices you provided were incorrect answers.

I considered Jesus' purpose in revealing himself to his students, Acts 1:3.

I considered Jesus' words to Thomas, John 20:27.

John 20:28 reveals that Thomas is responding to Jesus' words in 20:27 with both actions and words.

This is where the conversation has stalled. Here is what you should consider in furthering the conversation. First is whether my statements are true, Second is whether they apply to the event, and Third is even if the First and Second are true it follows that Thomas was responding to Jesus' instruction to believe he was alive after having died.

Don't be afraid to think these things and others through.

[Lightenup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2013,18:02)

jammin, Kathi, and Charles, Is Jesus the Most High God?  Or the Son of the Most High God?  Which one?

Jesus is part of Jehovah, the Most High God in the corporate sense and the son of the Most High God when the Most High God is referring to the Father.

[Lightenup]

Mike,
Did you watch the video about what 'being' meant?

[kerwin]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 26 2013,01:58)

Mike, Did you watch the video about what 'being' meant?

LU,

The video cannot be cross examined. Its spirit can be tested against the definitions of being in dictionaries. We can use lexicons for the original languages. I just use the dictionaries and lexicons and cut out the middleman.

If you find his argument convincing then use it and be prepared to defend it.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2013,13:58)

Mike, Did you watch the video about what 'being' meant?

No, but Kerwin's words make me think the claims in the video can be easily refuted – whatever they are.

Kathi, I don't like to watch a bunch of biased videos. I don't like being linked to biased websites that take a long time to read.

If there are any “Home Run” points that are made in these videos or websites you promote, then why not just bring ONLY those “Home Run” points up to us here? That way we don't have to use our time wading though what we already know will be a bunch of “Jesus is God” slanted OPINIONS and MISUNDERSTANDINGS of scripture.

(BTW, did you notice the nod to your movie in the words I used? )

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2013,13:57)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2013,18:02) jammin, Kathi, and Charles, Is Jesus the Most High God?  Or the Son of the Most High God?  Which one? Jesus is part of Jehovah, the Most High God in the corporate sense and the son of the Most High God when the Most High God is referring to the Father.

So which one does SCRIPTURE say, Kathi? Does scripture ever call Jesus “part of Jehovah, the Most High God”? I can't remember that scripture.

On the other hand, I can remember many scriptures that call him the SON of the Most High God.

So, ACCORDING ONLY TO SCRIPTURE, which one is he?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2013,22:28)

Paul said this Rock that went along with moses and to his people is Christ!

Actually, Paul said they were all baptized into MOSES in the wilderness, and that the rock was “christ”.  He didn't specifically say it was JESUS christ.  (God has had MANY “christs” in the scriptures – including Moses.)

Also, the writer of Hebrews (1:1-2) says that God spoke to us various ways in the past, and has spoken to us through His Son “in these last days”.  That COULD BE understood to mean that God hadn't ever spoken to us through Jesus UNTIL “these last days”.  It doesn't NECESSARILY exclude Jesus from being one of God's messengers in the past, but it sure sounds like it.

Which brings us to the main point:  The one who was in the burning bush was called “the angel of Jehovah”.  (Ex 3:2, Acts 7:30)  And the one who went before the Israelites in the pillar of cloud and fire was “the angel of Jehovah”.  (Ex 14:19, 23:20)

So if you want to believe it was Jesus in the bush, and Jesus going before the Israelites in the wilderness, then you also must believe that Jesus is an angel OF Jehovah.

Are you willing to believe this scriptural truth?

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