JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,13:51)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 26 2012,19:22)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,11:23)

My Christ is the Son of God Almighty, just as it was revealed by the Father to Peter.

yes it is true. but you are not saying the whole truth

What other “truth” is there?

Jesus either IS our ONE God Almighty, or he is the Son of our ONE God Almighty. He can't be both. So which one does scripture say he is?

if you are God , you are almighty. that is the nature of GOD.

if you are HUMAN, you are not almighty bec that is your nature.

do you understand that boy???

you are like your father. you are both HUMAN.

Christ is like his father. they are both GOD by nature.
the bible said that.

Philippians 2:6

New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,
he did not think of equality with God
as something to cling to

cant you see that??? that is a word for word in the bible boy! LOL

November 27, 2012 at 8:03 am#322259

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 27 2012,17:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,15:59)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 26 2012,19:38)

do you believe that Christ is God by nature?
or

Hi Jammin, do you believe that we will someday become “God by nature” as well?

2Pt.1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having
escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

God bless
Ed J

the verse did not say that u will become GOD by nature someday. that is just your words boy
read the bible well

it says “might be partakers of the divine nature. “
that sentence is not the same as “you will become GOD by nature someday”
i thought you know english well but i think you should go back to grade school LOL

Hi Jammin,

The words 'GOD by nature' occurs no-where in “The Bible”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 27, 2012 at 3:34 pm#322291

GeneBalthrop

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To…….All John 1:1 simple said ………..the word was with God and the Word was God and that was what was in the beginning. Because the definite article (THE) is uses there before (beginning) that imply the very beginning of all things. God and His word are one and the same thing just as you and your words are the same thing. Trying to make it say Jesus was there i simply forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say It has its origins from the Gnostic's of Johns day and this idea of Jesus Preexistences has its roots in the False teachings of Greek and Roman Trinitarians and is a Doctrine of Separation because it separates Jesus from our exact identity with Him It changes Jesus indenity as a pure human being to a Preexistent Being morphed into a Human

peace and lvoe to you all…………………………………………………..gene

November 27, 2012 at 8:15 pm#322303

terraricca

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 27 2012,20:34)

peace and lvoe to you all…………………………………………………..gene

so you imply that God before the beginning of creation he could not speak or talk

November 28, 2012 at 1:29 am#322338

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,18:03)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 27 2012,17:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,15:59)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 26 2012,19:38)

do you believe that Christ is God by nature?
or

Hi Jammin, do you believe that we will someday become “God by nature” as well?

2Pt.1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having
escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

God bless
Ed J

the verse did not say that u will become GOD by nature someday. that is just your words boy
read the bible well

Hi Jammin,

The words 'GOD by nature' occurs no-where in “The Bible”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

therefore you admit that you are wrong with your interpretation of might be partakers in the divine nature.

now you want a verse about nature God?

Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

Philippians 2:6 GNT
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.

i can read that in the bible. that is the verse,
study hard boy LOL

November 28, 2012 at 1:44 am#322343

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 27 2012,08:34)

Because the definite article (THE) is uses there before (beginning) that imply the very beginning of all things.

Hi Gene,

The definite article “THE” is added in English translations. It is not there in the Greek of John 1:1.

It is also added by English translators into Genesis 1:1, which obviously DOESN'T imply “the very beginning of all things” – since angels were already there to applaud the creation of the earth.

November 28, 2012 at 1:46 am#322346

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 27 2012,00:10)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,13:46)

Well, is Jesus the Most High God? Or the Son of the Most High God? Which one does scripture say? (Mark 5:7; Luke 1:32, 35; 8:28)

it does not say that he is not God.
you cant read that in the bible. that is just your illusion boy. LOL

Wrong answer, jammin. The CORRECT answer to my question is:

Those scriptures clearly say that Jesus is the Son of the Most High – not that he IS the Most High.

November 28, 2012 at 1:48 am#322347

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 27 2012,00:13)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,13:51)

Jesus either IS our ONE God Almighty, or he is the Son of our ONE God Almighty. He can't be both. So which one does scripture say he is?

if you are God , you are almighty. that is the nature of GOD.

if you are HUMAN, you are not almighty bec that is your nature.

Again, you have answered the question incorrectly, jammin. The CORRECT answer to the question I asked is:

Scriptures say Jesus is the Son of God Almighty – not that he IS God Almighty.

November 28, 2012 at 2:31 am#322358

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 28 2012,11:29)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,18:03)

Hi Jammin,

The words 'GOD by nature' occurs no-where in “The Bible”.

God bless
Ed J

(1) therefore you admit that you are wrong with your interpretation of might be partakers in the divine nature.

now you want a verse about nature God?

Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

(2) Philippians 2:6 GNT
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.

i can read that in the bible. that is the verse,
study hard boy LOL

Hi Jammin,

1) 2Peter 1:4 says it's a promise of God to be partakers of the divine nature once we escaped the corruption that is in the world.

2) Phil.2:6 does not say that. (quit reading from people who have made their own bible) …GNT – Gone for what is Not True.

Phil 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 28, 2012 at 2:43 pm#322434

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2012,11:44)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 27 2012,08:34)

Because the definite article (THE) is uses there before (beginning) that imply the very beginning of all things.

Hi Gene,

The definite article “THE” is added in English translations. It is not there in the Greek of John 1:1.

Mike……….So where does it say the Beginning of this present Creation at? If you could understand that God himself alone was in the Beginning of all things You could easily understand what John 1;1 means but in order to meet you false teachings of the word meaning Jesus you must then qualify the word Beginning to mean a Later creation right? Fact is John was talking about the very beginning or he would have said “a beginning” but he did not say that now did he and even if you leave off the letter “The” it still would be more accurate to say the very beginning of “ALL” things.

Mike even if you believe it is talking about the creation in Genies what does it say. “And God said” Now Tell us what does “Said” mean to you if not a spoken Word? So either way it Still was God Words that was in the Beginning.

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

November 29, 2012 at 1:12 am#322498

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,12:31)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 28 2012,11:29)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,18:03)

Hi Jammin,

The words 'GOD by nature' occurs no-where in “The Bible”.

God bless
Ed J

(1) therefore you admit that you are wrong with your interpretation of might be partakers in the divine nature.

now you want a verse about nature God?

Philippians 2:6

New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,

(2) Philippians 2:6 GNT
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.

i can read that in the bible. that is the verse,
study hard boy LOL

Hi Jammin,

1) 2Peter 1:4 says it's a promise of God to be partakers of the divine nature once we escaped the corruption that is in the world.

2) Phil.2:6 does not say that. (quit reading from people who have made their own bible) …GNT – Gone for what is Not True.

Phil 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

you might be partakers of the divine nature is not the same as you will become GOD by nature.

study english boy LOL

btw,
the bible said nature of God. you cant accept that truth bec that is not your doctrine. your doctrine is from men LOL

November 29, 2012 at 1:14 am#322499

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2012,11:48)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 27 2012,00:13)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,13:51)

Jesus either IS our ONE God Almighty, or he is the Son of our ONE God Almighty. He can't be both. So which one does scripture say he is?

if you are God , you are almighty. that is the nature of GOD.

if you are HUMAN, you are not almighty bec that is your nature.

Again, you have answered the question incorrectly, jammin. The CORRECT answer to the question I asked is:

Scriptures say Jesus is the Son of God Almighty – not that he IS God Almighty.

who is that God mike??

if you are talking about the father, then YES he is the son of the father. His Father is GOD

the son is also God by nature. he always had the nature of God phil 2.6

read your bible well boy. do not sniff mosquito coil while reading LOL

you know what..ive been talking to you many times but you do not give verse when you say about your doctrine. you give stories and imagination mike LOL

November 29, 2012 at 2:27 am#322518

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 29 2012,11:12)

you might be partakers of the divine nature is not the same as you will become GOD by nature.

study english boy LOL

btw,
the bible said nature of God. you cant accept that truth bec that is not your doctrine. your doctrine is from men LOL

Hi Jammin,

Glad to see you are finally beginning to understand what I have been saying!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 29, 2012 at 2:36 am#322520

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Hi Jammin,

“The Father(God) that dwelleth in me(Jesus),
he(God) doeth the works.” (John 14:10)

The divine nature of Jesus did not make him “God”,
and neither will it make us “God”; though
we will become one with them.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 29, 2012 at 9:41 am#322615

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 29 2012,12:27)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 29 2012,11:12)

you might be partakers of the divine nature is not the same as you will become GOD by nature.

study english boy LOL

btw,
the bible said nature of God. you cant accept that truth bec that is not your doctrine. your doctrine is from men LOL

Hi Jammin,

Glad to see you are finally beginning to understand what I have been saying!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i thought u know english but it seems that your brain has lack of nutritions LOL

you said the divine nature of JESUS DID NOT MAKE HIM GOD

where can you read that in the bible???

i can read that he is GOD!

John 1:18

New International Version (NIV)

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

that is a word for word in the bible boy

you can fool yourself but not the people who know how to read LOL

November 30, 2012 at 3:49 am#322710

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The “Textus Receptus” is the “Authorized Greek Scriptures”!

The “Masoretic Text” is the “Authorized Hebrew Scriptures”!

The “AKJV Bible” is the “Authorized English Scriptures”!

November 30, 2012 at 3:51 am#322711

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 30 2012,13:49)

The “Textus Receptus” is the “Authorized Greek Scriptures”!

The “Masoretic Text” is the “Authorized Hebrew Scriptures”!

The “AKJV Bible” is the “Authorized English Scriptures”!

To Jammin,

Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue(that is English) will he speak to this people.

1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
or at the most by three(Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it's exactly the way GOD wanted it!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 30, 2012 at 4:33 am#322727

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2012,07:43)

Mike even if you believe it is talking about the creation in Genies what does it say.

Gene,

I never said John 1:1 was talking about the creation in Genesis. I was merely pointing out to you that the word “THE” is not present before the word “beginning” in John 1:1.

I was correcting your inaccurate statement.

I was also pointing out that “In THE beginning” in Genesis doesn't mean “the very beginning of all things”, and so there is no way for you to be sure that's what those words mean in John 1:1.

November 30, 2012 at 4:35 am#322728

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Quote (jammin @ Nov. 28 2012,18:14)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2012,11:48)

Scriptures say Jesus is the Son of God Almighty – not that he IS God Almighty.

who is that God mike??

I don't understand the question, jammin. If you and I agree that there exists only ONE Almighty God, then how can you ask me WHICH ONE I'm asking about?

jammin, there is but ONE Almighty God. Jesus is His Son – not Him.

November 30, 2012 at 9:29 am#322799