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Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,00:04) Where is the passages from the Bible that the Almighty God, should lower Himself or He must go down here on earth transforming from Celestial Supreme Being to as an actual flesh in the guise of Jesus Christ and then died for us?
And who was the Almighty God in heaven that the Almighty God on earth prayed to when he was on earth?
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 18 2012,09:56) Hi Mike, Is that a Yes then, “EL” defines as God as well as 'a mighty one'; Yes or No?
Ed,The word “god” means “mighty one”. They are one and the same.
From Webster:
god
Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature.But that is not how people today understand the word. Like the word “Kleenex”, which has come to symbolize “facial tissue” (although it is but ONE brand of facial tissue), the word “god” has come to symbolize ONLY the God who created the heavens and the earth (although He is but ONE of the many gods taught in the Bible).
If you were to study the Bible, reading “mighty one” each time the word “god” is written in English, you would gain a better understanding of scripture.
For example:
Psalm 82:1
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.All three bolded words are “el”, or “elohim”. Read it like this:
The Mighty One stands in the congregation of the mighty ones; He judges among the [other] mighty ones.
Ed, I realize you won't do this, because you are set in your ways. But it is you who misses out on the true meaning of the scriptures – not me.
To All Others,
This Psalm clearly describes the existence of OTHER mighty ones – ones upon whom the Almighty one renders judgment. How in the world can this be possible if there truly exists only ONE mighty one?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,04:11) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 18 2012,09:56) Hi Mike, Is that a Yes then, “EL” defines as God as well as 'a mighty one'; Yes or No?
Ed,The word “god” means “mighty one”. They are one and the same.
Hi Mike,No, God is not the same as 'a mighty one'.
God: The creator and ruler of the universe (Link)
This is hardly the same as 'a mighty one' – don't you agree?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd,
The Creator and Ruler of the Universe is but ONE of the MANY gods, both in heaven and on earth.
The word “god”, or more importantly, the word “el”, doesn't mean “Creator and Ruler of the Universe”.
I have given you the meaning of “el”, Ed. I don't have time to play games with you anymore. You can either accept the truth of the matter, or continue forcing scripture to fit around your own beliefs.
The choice is yours.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,16:48) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 18 2012,11:09) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,15:28) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 17 2012,08:21) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 17 2012,08:09) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 16 2012,20:45) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 16 2012,11:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,10:50) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 15 2012,17:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,09:27) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 15 2012,16:10) So, you believe that you and your servants of YOUR “God” are also each “a god”?
Frank,Do you DENY the scriptures in which many of Jehovah's servants are called gods?
Do you think I made those scriptures up, Frank?
mikebull s'64,What it is that I deny is your perversion of Scripture!
Good. Then you accept this actual scripture:Exodus 21:6 NET ©
then his master must bring him to the judges, and he will bring him to the door or the doorposts, and his master will pierce his ear with an awl, and he shall serve him foreverThe word translated as “the judges” is really “the gods”, Frank. These gods were servants of Jehovah, and judges of His people on His behalf.
Will you call them “false gods” – even though they acted as representatives of the Almighty God?
See Frank, it is not that I “pervert” the scriptures. It's more a matter of you just not knowing them all that well.
mikebull s'64,Again, I deny your perversion of Scripture!
Be aware that the word “God” is of pagan origin!
From the Encyclopedia Americana, 1945 Edition:
“GOD (god, gawd): Common Teutonic word for personal object of religious worship, formerly applicable to super-human beings of heathen myth; on conversion of Teutonic races to Christianity, term was applied to Supreme Being, and to Persons of Trinity 6-38a; 13-58a; Bible 3-174a; Jesus Christ 8-206b; mythology 10-362b; Spinoza's philosophy 12-165a.”
Also see:
BAAL God
LORD God (The)WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
GOD, origin from pagan? Allah origin from Islam. But the importance is the meaning.What is the meaning of the word “GOD”?
limjunus,Actually the word “God” (Gad – pronounced gawd) means 'fortune, good fortune' and is translated in the KJV as 'that troop' and in no way means “Mighty One' in relation to Father Yahweh. You will see this more properly translated in the World English Bible:
“But you who forsake Yahweh, who forget My [set apart] mountain, who prepare a table for Fortune, and who fill up mixed wine to Destiny; I will destine you to the sword, and you shall all bow down to the slaughter; because when I called, you did not answer; when I spoke, you did not hear; but you did that which was evil in my eyes, and chose that in which I didn't delight.”
SOURCE (See: World English Bible translation).According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, G-D is the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship, applied to all the superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies. The word “g-d” on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity was adopted as the name of the One Supreme Being. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged agree that the origin is Teutonic paganism.
Now, note what Isayah 65:11-12 says:
11. You are those who forsake YAHWEH (the Biblical Hebrew Creator) who forget My special mountain, who prepare a table for Gawd (G-d the Canaanite idol *El), and who furnish a drink offering for MENI (G-d’s wife),
12. Therefore, I will count you for the sword and you will all bow down for the slaughter because when I called, you did not answer, when I spoke, you did not hear, but you did evil in My sight, and chose that which displeases Me.
*NOTE: Baal is the son of El (Eloah, or the plural Elohim).
Now, note what the Jewish Virtual Library says on “Baal Worship”:
“The word baʿl, common Semitic for “owner, master, husband,” became the usual designation of the great weather-god of the Western Semites.”
SOURCENow compare this to what Scripture teaches concerning this deity:
When that time comes,” says Yahweh, “you will call me 'my husband' instead of 'my master.' I will remove the names of the **Baals from her lips; no longer will their names be invoked (Hoseyah 2:16-17).
**NOTE: The English translation for the word 'Baal' is “my LORD”:
Word Origin & History
Baal
“The name of many deities of the Semitic peoples” [Klein], late 14c., Biblical use is from Heb. Ba'al, lit. “owner, master, LORD,” from ba'al “he took possession of,” also “he married;” related to Akkad. Belu (source of Heb. Bel), name of Marduk. Also related to the first element in
Beelzebub. Used figuratively for any “false god.” – Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper (Emphasis of bold capitalization mine.)1. any of numerous local deities among the ancient Semitic peoples, typifying the productive forces of nature and worshiped with much sensuality. …
World English Dictionary:
1. any of several ancient Semitic fertility gods
2. Phoenician myth the sun god and supreme national deity …Bible Dictionary:
Baal definition
LORD. (1.) The name appropriated to the principal male god of the Phoenicians. It is found in several places in the plural BAALIM (Judg. 2:11; 10:10; 1 Kings 18:18; Jer. 2:23; Hos. 2:17). Baal is identified with Molech (Jer. 19:5). It was known to the Israelites as Baal-peor (Num. 25:3; Deut. 4:3), was worshipped till the time of Samuel (1 Sam 7:4), and was afterwards the religion of the ten tribes in the time of Ahab (1 Kings 16:31-33; 18:19, 22). It prevailed also for a time in the kingdom of Judah (2 Kings 8:27; comp. 11:18; 16:3; 2 Chr. 28:2), till finally put an end to by the severe discipline of the Captivity (Zeph. 1:4-6). The priests of Baal were in great numbers (1 Kings 18:19), and of various classes (2 Kings 10:19). Their mode of offering sacrifices is described in 1 Kings 18:25-29. The sun-god, under the general title of Baal, or “lord,” was the chief object of worship of the Canaanites. Each locality had its special Baal, and the various local Baals were summed up under the name of Baalim, or “lords.” Each Baal had a wife, who was a colourless reflection of himself. (2.) A Benjamite, son of Jehiel, the progenitor of the Gibeonites (1 Chr. 8:30; 9:36). (3.) The name of a place inhabited by the Simeonites, the same probably as Baal-ath-beer (1 Chr. 4:33; Josh. 19:8). – Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary [Emphasis of bold capitalization mine.]
SOURCEYou will note that in most translations that our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name “YaHWeH” (or YeHoWaH) was SUBSTITUTED with the INFERIOR names/titles “the LORD” and “GOD” designated with all capital letters. This practice was in following with the Jewish scribes (copyist) in SUBSTITUTING His Name with the INFERIOR pagan/names/titles Adon (or plural 'Adonai) and El, Eloah {cf. Allah} (or plural 'Elohim').
The Jews developed a belief of their ***”own understanding” that is not taught in Scripture that they should not use the Name Yahweh that is contrary to what is taught in Scripture that we are to set apart (“hallow {make holy}, sanctify”), revere (“fear”), remember, think upon, wait upon, walk in, trust in, love, seek, declare (proclaim), bless, publish, call upon, sing unto, praise, esteem (“glorify”), make known (“manifest”), and know His Name.
SOURCE***NOTE:
Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, and He will make your paths straight (Proverbs 3:5-6).
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? That think to cause My people to forget My Name (Yahweh) by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My Name (Yahweh) for Baal (God & Lord) – SSBE Jeremiah 23:26-27.
Till when shall it be in the heart of the prophets? – the prophets of falsehood and prophets of the deceit of their own heart, who try to make My people forget My Name (Yahweh) by their dreams which everyone relates to his neighbour, as their fathers forgot My Name (Yahweh) for Ba'al (God & Lord) – SISR Yirmeyahu 23:26-27.
Also see:
BAAL Gad
LORD God (The)There is also a clear warning given to us in Scripture that we are not to add unto or take away from Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word, and this is exactly what has been done especially concerning His Name purely for the “traditions of men” sake. Note that Father Yahweh's Name is recorded in Hebrew Scripture close 7,000 times and has been SUBSTITUTED close to this many times. And to top this off, the translator's of the so-called “New Testament” did not even bother to carry His Name over in their translating, but instead followed in the tradition of the Jews in not publishing His Name in their translating. What does Scripture say concerning the erroneous practice?:
ASCRIBE to Yahweh the esteem due His Name; worship Yahweh in the splendor of His being set apart (Psalm 29:2.
ASCRIBE to Yahweh the esteem due His Name; bring an offering and come into His courts (Psalm 96:8 cf. 1 Chronicles 16:29 .
It is quite obvious to me that the scribes (copyist) and in turn the translators did not follow in Father Yahweh's clear instruction (torah, law, commandment, statute, charge, teaching). In turn it is up to us to restore His Name Yahweh to it's proper stead in the Scripture (Yahweh's prophetic inspired word) that it was removed from to the best of our knowledge. You will also note the clear teaching that there will be a RESTORATION of His Name to a “PURE LANGUAGE” by Father Yahweh Himself in the end time of His return to planet Earth when He will set up His Kingdom and do away with the unrighteous kingdoms and governments “of this world”.
For then will I restore to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the Name Yahweh, to serve Him with one accord (Zephanyah 3:9.
Also see:
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
limjunus,I forgot to give another Scriptural reference to the following note in my previous post:
***NOTE:
Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, and He will make your paths straight (Proverbs 3:5-6).
Therefo
re My people will KNOW My Name; therefore at that time they will KNOW that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I” (Isayah 52:6).…
Frank,I have acknowledge Him, I am trusting Him, I am believing with the Father of Jesus Christ, in heaven, the one and only true God
Jesus Christ name is the name of God, given to him.
Note: John 17:11 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
“I won’t be in the world much longer, but they are in the world, and I’m coming back to you. Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of your name, the name that you gave me, so that their unity may be like ours.”
limjunus,Pay very close attention to the context of what is being said in the following passage from what is recorded in the so-called “New Testament” concerning redemption in the name Yahshua and please give this passage serious *STUDY.
But fist to the note:
*NOTE:
STUDY to show thyself approved unto Yahweh, a workman that need not to be ashamed, rightly dividing [giving diligence to what is actually being said] the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).
All Scripture is given by inspiration of Yahweh, and IS PROFITABLE FOR doctrine, FOR reproof, FOR correction, FOR instruction in RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of Yahweh may be PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL RIGHTEOUS WORKS (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
END NOTE
And as they [Kepha {Peter} and Yahchanan {John}] spoke unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them, BEING GRIEVED that they taught the people, and preached through Yahshua [GIVING PROCLAMATION IN HIS NAME] the resurrection from the dead. And they laid hands on [arrested] them, and put them in custody [jail] until the next day: for it was now evening. But many of them [of the people] who **HEARD THE WORD [that Kepha and Yahchanan spoke] believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
**NOTE:
That is a lot of PEOPLE [MEN and woMEN] that HEARD THE WORD that Kepha and Yahchanan spoke, right? I would like you to note that Kepha and Yahchanan spoke to the people under the inspiration of Father Yahweh's spirit just as Yahshua had spoken unto the people when he was in their presence. Now, t8, Mike, and Pierre would like to have us believe that Yahshua was the LITERAL word of Father Yahweh that LITERALLY pre-existed with Him in the beginning as an actual being that was “a god”, but the fact is, Yahshua's title is called “The Word of Yahweh” in Revelation simply because he is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 make perfectly clear. Since Yahshua is now with the Father in accordance to what is recorded in this passage and in accordance to everything else recorded in the so-called “New Testament”, Kepha and Yahchanan are now being spokesmen of the truth of the word that they are speaking under the inspiration of Father Yahweh's spirit.
Now, I would ask that you please read the following link to Scripture and come back and finish the rest of what I have posted:
Continuing on with the previous passage from Acts:
And it came to pass on the next day, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes, And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and Yahchanan, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Yerusalem. And when they had set them [Kepha and Yahchanan] in the midst, they asked, By what power, or BY WHAT NAME, have you done this? Then Kepha, FILLED WITH THE SET APART [“Holy”] SPIRIT, said unto them, You rulers of the people, and elders of Ysryl, If we at this time be examined of the righteous deed done to the crippled man, by what means he is made whole; Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Ysryl, that BY THE NAME OF YAHSHUA the Messiah of Nazareth, whom you executed, whom Yahweh raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, WHICH HAS BECOME THE HEAD OF THE CORNER. Neither is there redemption in any other: FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME GIVEN [by Father Yahweh] AMONG MEN, by which we MUST be redeemed. Now when they saw the boldness of Kepha and Yahchanan, and perceived that they were unlearned and ordinary men, they marveled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Yahshua. And beholding the man who was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it. But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves, Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle has been done by them is made known to all them that dwell in Yerusalem; and we cannot deny it. But that it spread no further among the people, let us sternly threaten them, that they speak no longer to any man IN THIS NAME. And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach IN THE NAME YAHSHUA. But Kepha and Yahchanan answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of Yahweh to listen unto you more than unto Yahweh, you be the judge. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing for which they might punish them, because of the people: for all men [“ABOUT 5,000”] ESTEEMED YAHWEH for that which was done. For the man was above forty years old, on whom this miracle of healing was showed. And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them. And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice TO YAHWEH with one accord, and said, YAHWEH, You are the Mighty One, Who has made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that is in them: Who BY THE MOUTH OF YOUR SERVANT DAWID has said, Why did the nations rage, and the people imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against YAHWEH, AND against the one whom He anointed [YAHSHUA]. For of a truth against Your set apart [“holy”] son Yahshua, whom You have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Ysryl, were gathered together, To do whatsoever Your hand and Your counsel determined before to be done. And now, Yahweh, behold their threatenings: and grant unto Your servants, that with all boldness THEY MAY SPEAK YOUR WORD, By stretching forth Your hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done BY THE NAME OF YOUR SET APART [“HOLY”] SON YAHSHUA. And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the set apart [“holy”] Spirit, AND THEY SPOKE THE WORD OF YAHWEH with boldness. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that any of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Master Yahshua: and great favor was upon them all (Acts 4:1-33).
“Jesus” most certainly is not the Messiah's GIVEN name, since “Jesus” is a Latino name and not a Hebrew name. Yahshua was born of Hebrew speaking parents and they certainly would have not been instructed to give their son a Latino name. Would you not find it odd to
even find a Jewish man in this time period whose parents had given him the Latino name “Jesus”? I most certainly would! In fact, I have yet to meet a Jewish man who parents spoke the Hebrew language with a Latino name and most certainly doubt that I ever will.FYI, the Hebrew name Yahshua (“Joshua” – Yes, he was given the same name as the prophet of old Yahshua [Joshua] ben [son of] Nun.) means 'Yahweh is Redeemer' which signifies Father Yahweh as our Supreme Redeemer. In fact, the name 'Jesus' is simply a TRANSLATION of the Hebrew name Yeshua and both of these names are completely void of the Name of our Heavenly Father and Creator. The Hebrew name 'Yeshua' simply means 'he is redeemer' and does not signify who our Supreme Redeemer truly is. Yahshua (“Joshua”) is a TRANSLITERATION/TRANSCRIPTION of the Messiah's name and the name of the prophet of old. Note that Yahshua clearly made it known that he had come in the name of his Father (Yahchanan 5:43). Names are transliterated and transcribe in diverse languages and not translated. For example, if you hear or read the name of President John F. Kennedy on a Spanish speaking radio station or newspaper, they do not translate his name as JUAN F. Kennedy, but in fact speak and write (transliterate/transcribe) his name as it is spoken and written in our English language. This is what is called transliterating and transcribing.
Another fact that I would like to point out is that to say “Yahshua Messiah” (or “Jesus Christ”) is not proper and that Messiah (or “Christ”) is not a part of his name or a title, but is in fact the act that was performed in his being 'anointed' by Father Yahweh. So, to say “Yahshua THE Messiah (or “THE Anointed”) is how he should be properly addressed.
Did The Father And The Son Have The Same Name?
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Frankk,In that case, we should make change all the name Jesus Christ, written in all the Bible versions.
by the name “Jesus the Anointed”.???
limjunus,Father Yahweh anointed His son Yahshua to reign as King for 1,000 years, so yes, to say Yahshua [or 'Jesus'] the anointed [or 'the christ'] would be a more accurate way of giving reference to him, since to say “Yahshua ['Jesus'] Messiah ['Christ']” sounds more like a first and last name or title in our English language. This more accurate way of giving reference to him also conveys to others more accurately that Father Yahweh is above His son in that He is the one Who anointed him to be King and also shows that they are not “one and the same being” as many have been mislead to believe. This also conveys the correct understanding to others that Father Yahweh would have no need for one to anoint Him as King, since He has been our Supreme King ever since the very beginning and that there is no one greater than He.
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Frank,
Do you really need to quote all that information just to address the ONE little question limjunis asked?
Don't you know how to quote only the part to which you are responding? If not, ask me, and I'll walk you through the process.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,03:14) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 17 2012,18:36) Mike, The words “el”, “eloah”, “elohim”, “adon”, and “adonia” are also of pagan origin. It seems that you are still hard of hearing and seeing although you do have ears and eyes
So the writers of the Bible, who called Jehovah “el”, “eloah”, and “elohim”, were all talking about a PAGAN God?Frank, if Jehovah refered to Himself using the word “el”, then it is also good enough for me.
Mike,What you fail to realize is that I am giving reference to the *errors of the scibes (copyist) who in turn caused the translators to fall into this same error. In other words “The blind have lead the blind and they all have fallen into a ditch.” I am not giving reference to the original writings penned by the inspired authors of Scripture.
*Note:
“'How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the instruction of Yahweh,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped [“fall into a ditch”]. Since they have rejected the word of Yahweh, what kind of wisdom do they have? (Yeremyah 8:8-9 – http://bible.cc/jeremiah/8-8.htm ).
The Hebrew Isrylite people fell into this error in direct disobedience to Father Yahweh when He commanded them to go into the land of Cannaan and to distroy drive out all of those who dwelled there. This is clearly recorded in Deiuteronomy:
“When Yahweh your Mighty One shall bring you into the land where you go to possess it, and have cast out many nations before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you; And when Yahweh your Mighty One shall deliver them before you; you shall smite them, and utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them” (Deuteronomy 7;1,2). Again, in the book of Deuteronomy we read, “But of the cities of these people, which Yahweh your Mighty One does give you for an inheritance, you shall redeem alive nothing that breathes: But you shall utterly destroy them … as Yahweh your Mighty One has commanded you” (20:16,17).
Did the Hebrew Ysrylites carry out this charge to destroy and drive out the Canaanites? No, they did not completely obey Father Yahweh as commanded. They fell short in obedience to Father Yahweh in not destroying and driving them out completely as commanded. This is seen in Yahshua chapters 6-12. There were, however, those cases when individual tribes of Ysryl did not completely destroy and drive out the Canaanites who lived in theses territories. This caused tremendous problems in the future for Yahweh’s people.
Note what Yahweh had commanded and the outcome of waht would happem if they disobeyed:
Started at Deuteronomy 7:3:
Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve these gods, and Yahweh's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire. For you are a people set apart to Yahweh your Mighty One. Yahweh your Mighty One has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be His people, His treasured possession. Yahweh did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because Yahweh loved you and kept the oath He swore to your forefathers that He brought you out with His mighty hand of power and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the authority of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore that Yahweh your Mighty One is powerful; He is the faithful Mighty One, keeping His ageement of love to a thousand generations of those who love Him and keep his commands. But those who hate Him He will repay to their face by destruction; He will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate Him. Therefore, take care to follow the commands, decrees and instruction I give you today. IF you pay attention to these instructions and are careful to follow them, then Yahweh your Mighty One will keep His agreement of love with you, as He swore to your forefathers. He will love you and bless you and increase your numbers. He will bless the fruit of your womb, the crops of your land–your grain, new wine and oil–the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks in the land that He swore to your forefathers to give you. You will be blessed more than any other people; none of your men or women will be childless, nor any of your livestock without young. Yahweh will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. You must destroy all the peoples Yahweh your Mighty One gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you. You may say to yourselves, “These nations are stronger than we are. How can we drive them out?” But do not be afraid of them; remember well what Yahweh your Mighty One did to Pharaoh and to all Egypt. You saw with your own eyes the great trials, the miraculous signs and wonders, the powerful hand and outstretched arm of power, with which Yahweh your Mighty One brought you out. Yahweh your Mighty One will do the same to all the peoples you now fear. Moreover, Yahweh your Mighty One will send the hornet among them until even the survivors who hide from you have perished. Do not be terrified by them, for Yahweh your Mighty One, Who is among you, is a great and awesome Mighty One. Yahweh your Mighty One will drive out those nations before you, little by little. You will not be allowed to eliminate them all at once, or the wild animals will multiply around you. But Yahweh your Mighty One will deliver them over to you, throwing them into great confusion until they are destroyed. He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them. …
Read on and STUDY for yourself in how they disobeyed Father Yahweh and did take their women and turned to worshipping their idol/gods that “ARE NOTHING” and completely worthless with no power whatsoever!
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
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Frank,
Perhaps you feel that using “Yeremyah” instead of the commonly accepted “Jeremiah”, and using “Isrylite” instead of “Israelite” somehow brings you closer to God. But, according to the holy, inspired scriptures, Jehovah called Himself “el” and “elohim”. We usually translate those words as “god” in English. And while I agree that “god” is not the NAME of our Creator, it is an accurate DESCRIPTION of Him, since the word means “mighty one”.
But for you to say you don't serve any “god” is just semantics, and silly if you ask me.
The fact remains that Jehovah called Himself “el” and “elohim”.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,01:49) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 18 2012,22:02) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,14:23) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 18 2012,01:05) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,17:21) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 17 2012,16:50) limjunus, you talk too much.
i just want you to answer yes or no
paul said Christ is the ONLY LORD.
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?
yes or no?
i do not want many words boy.
just say yes or no
Jammin,as what I have post, in some instances, you should followed me literally but not in the words of “ONLY ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST” … you must understand why apostle Paul, hath instructed the chosen people of God, that they have only one Lord, Jesus Christ, with the exception to the rules.
Meaning: Jesus Christ is only one Lord for being the head of his church but not for being the Lord God. Col. 1:18.
It isn't clear for you?
Then, you have a big problem with your belief.
ill repeat
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?yes or no?
Jammin,Recycling question? need to be answered with recycling answers.
Read back kiddie boy!
you did not answer my question boy LOLyou are just making excuses. why is it hard for you to answer yes or no? LOL
ill repeat
paul said Christ is the ONLY LORD.
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?
yes or no?
Jammin,I have already my answered, but you do not want to read it.
I have so many question directly addressed to you but also you have failed to answer it.
You just want to post yours and browsing for the answers.
Read back and do the real reading so that you would not be like a broken music dish.
How many answers you really want from me, thousands?
You are 100% unfair “kiddie boy”. You want me to answer your question many times but how about you… did you answers my questions and the questions of other contributors here?
To make it clear. I did not make any argument that the God, should not be called Lord, because of the phrase written in 1 Cor. 8:6, that Jesus Christ, is the only one Lord. You are the one posting it and capitalizing it for your incorrect understanding that Jesus Christ is God. 100% the same incorrect understanding of the verse 20:28 of John, with the reaction of apostle Thomas exclaiming “MY LORD AND MY GOD!
you talk too much boy LOLi just want you to answer yes or no. did you get that??/
is that hard for you to do???
ill repeat
if i will follow your argument bec you believe that the FATHER is the ONLY GOD just like paul said in 1 cor 8.6
paul also said Christ is the ONLY LORD.
therefore the father is not LORD to you? yes or no>?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,02:54) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2012,08:43) mike is not God ,the GOD OF GODS AND LORD OF LORDS
Yes He is, Pierre.So that means “for us there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ” is an EMPHATICAL statement, and is NOT meant to imply that Jehovah is not our Lord.
It also means there MUST exist other gods that Jehovah is the God OF.
Mike and Terrica,(1.) So that means “for us there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ” is an FIGURATIVELY or METAPHORICAL (not literally) statement, and is NOT meant to imply that the word Lord is not applicable to God, the Father.
(2.) So that means “..that they may know you, (Father) the only true God. (John 17:1-3) and …”for us there is but only true God, the Father” is an CATEGORICALLY (absolutely) statement, and is meant to imply that the other so called gods, are not true God.(1 Cor. 8:6)
Example of figuratively:
“There is only one Lord, Jesus Christ” It is meant the essence of the position as being only one head as of the human body. Applicable and pin-pointing, Jesus Christ is the only one head of his body the church.
Example of Categorically:
“That they may know you (emphasizing the Father), the only true God.” (absolutely) Oneness/ Alone/ Singleness, is appropriate and justifiable meaning to a Supreme Celestial Being. (incomparable)
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
A WAKE UP CALL
Look into the world of Christian World nowadays. How many religious groups has a belief that Jesus Christ is God?
Every christian religious group has their own prescription in molding their followers to believe that Jesus Christ is truly God, such are Holy Trinity, Unitarian and Almighty and Mighty One, etc., etc.,
In fact, these religious groups have their different specification with their doctrines, but the bottom line is, Jesus Christ is true God for everyone of them.
How many millions, may be billion of people nowadays are standing and holding the belief that Jesus Christ is truly God?
Here is the secret/mystery revealed only the chosen people of God, and not to all the so called Christian in this world.
11″You have been given the secret of the Kingdom of God,” Jesus answered. “But the others, who are on the outside, hear all things by means of parables, Luke 4:11
But not everyone knows this truth. 1 Cor. 8:7
Implying that the truth has been revealed only to the selected group of people and we must belong with them. So that we could be counted as part of this group of the believers. We must not an outsiders.
Even though they are juts few in numbers compare to other so called christian groups throughout the world, but believing that Jesus Christ is not God, but the Father alone is a divine credential or identity the they are the genuine chosen people of God, and shall not be deemed the outsiders.
God bless you all.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,23:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
limjunus,Scripture disagrees with you:
John 1:18
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 19 2012,15:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 19 2012,02:10) limjunus,
Jesus IS the true only begotten God.
Lightenup,The rightful way to express is, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God and [/B]“not begotten God”.
the bible said he is the begotten son of God and we accept that.
but the bible also says he is the begotten God.you are saying NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH boy LOL
you are really a photocopy of your father satan LOL
make your own bible. LOL
make a bible that all verses support your false doctrine LOLnice job sis kathi
limjunus is really a false teacher.
let me post the greek of john 1.18
18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεοςtsk tsk…this limjunus is really a false teacher. LOL
Way to go Jammin, we posted on the same truth within 1 second of each other and we are in unity! Woot woot!!
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 19 2012,00:32) nice job sis kathi limjunus is really a false teacher.
let me post the greek of john 1.18
18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεοςtsk tsk…this limjunus is really a false teacher. LOL
Yes Jammin…it says only begotten God in the Greek. That is a truth that can set many here free.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,03:06) Quote (carmel @ Sep. 17 2012,15:21) John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. THE ONLY TRUE GOD ,AND JESUS CHRIST
Charles, that big, bolded word “AND” should tell you that TWO are being discussed – not just one. The teaching is about the “only true God”…………………… AND ………………. Jesus Christ – the one the only true God SENT.See? TWO persons – only ONE of whom is “the only true God”.
Because of the misconception, the incorrect comprehensions of the Bible passages; Millions or may be billion of people in this world have been deceived by the prince of darkness.Issue:
Grammatically correct and just presentation of the sentences/context without the intent of changing the true meaning of it.
Here is the proper sentence for the people believing that the Father and Jesus Christ is the one and only true God.
Just an example:
John 17:3, 1 ” AND THIS IS THE ETERNAL LIFE THAT THEY MAY KNOW US, FATHER AND THE SON, THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
But the truth is, what we could be read is very different phrases or context in John 17:3, 1.
It was not the same as the above mentioned example.
The passages in John 17:3, 1 was written categorically, to know who's the only true God and who's Jesus Christ.
The 1st subject matter is, “who is the only true God? the answer is, only the Father (emphatically/categorically sentence/with a complete thought/ absolutely).
The second subject matter is, “who is Jesus Christ? the answer is, sent by the only true God, the Father.
Therefore the essence of the word “AND” was pointing-out that the only true God, the Father is not the one coming down by himself. Instead, God has sent a messenger and he is Jesus Christ.
If I will follow your arguments, that Jesus Christ is also true God, how come the only true God, has a duplicate separately and went down to the world, then the duplicated true God, then died?
Father as the only true God, the sender and whom Jesus Christ, has been sent by Him (Father).
God bless you all.
Ed wrote:[/quote]
Quote that we may be also glorified together Edj,
That glory is achieved when we all rise in Christ.
Now,
I am convinced that you didn't read my post, or else you misunderstood me.
I was refering to the two glories hereunder.
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
The above glory is achieved by God through JESUS when he was born as the only begotten of the FATHER, through the Father's Spirit by the HOLY SPIRIT.
WE HUMANS ARE NEVER BORN AS THE BEGOTTENS OF THE FATHER, BUT OF SATAN.
compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)
In the above glory God achieved it through the resurrection of JESUS body by the FATHER, AGAIN through the HOLY SPIRIT.
JOHN 1:14
So the FATHER was gloriefied first when He was BORN IN JESUS' BODY AS MAN IN ALL THINGS LIKE ALL HIS BRETHREN,
EXCEPT SIN, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE WAS ALSO LIKE HIS BRETHREN POSSESSED BY SATAN'S SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL.ROMANS 8:18
Then HE was glorified when HE was UNITED WITH THE SON IN HIS APPROPRIATE FLESH BODY, HIS GLORIFIED MYSTICAL BODY.
THE ONE WHICH WOULD BE REVEALED IN US.
I hope I'm clear
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,03:29) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,22:52) Mike, I have already answered all your questions.
No you haven't.Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,22:52) But the words “For us, there is only one God, the Father, we must take it and understand it literally.
Why? Because YOU say so? Don't you understand that if you take those words literally, you are in effect claiming that your Lord Jesus Christ is NOT a “true god”, and therefore a “false god”?limjunis, the word “theos” means “mighty one”. Is Jehovah LITERALLY the “only true mighty one”? If so, does it make Jesus a “false mighty one”? PLEASE ANSWER.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,22:52) Because, the phrases is the equivalent of the words “almighty God” … the exact and complete meaning of the word ONENESS.
The word “almighty” does not mean “only true”.
Mike,we are dealing with the essence of the words “only true God” and not the words “only true almighty” The essence of the words “only true God” is categorically and not figuratively sentence. It is equivalent of the words “Oneness” (singleness) meaning the other gods or God is not true God, except the Father.
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