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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2012,09:08) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 16 2012,03:15) Is there a spiritual benefit by opposing the doctrines of our Lord Jesus Christ? He is vividly saying the truth about God. “THAT WE MUST KNOW THE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, IS HIS FATHER” attested by his apostles and the prophets of God.
limjunis,I don't oppose any doctrines of God, or of His Son Jesus Christ – who is ALSO called a god in scripture.
I started a thread called “Indeed there are many gods” just for YOU – yet you haven't come to that thread yet.
Why not come over there and discuss this issue?
Do you remember when Jesus told the man, “Why do you call me good? Only God is good.” ?
Do you suppose Jesus was telling the man that EVERY human and spirit being who ever lived (except for God) was BAD?
Is your Lord Jesus a BAD person, limjunis? Or do you suppose it was an EMPHATICAL STATEMENT meant to teach that God is MORE good than any other being?
I hope you understand that it is the latter meaning. And if you can understand that, then you should also be able to understand that “only true theos” doesn't mean that JESUS (who is also a theos) is a “FALSE THEOS”. It was an EMPHATICAL STATEMENT.
Consider that the Greek word “theos” just means “mighty one”. What Jesus taught is that Jehovah is the “only true mighty one“. Now, should we take that statement LITERALLY, and conclude that NOBODY ELSE, INCLUDING JESUS HIMSELF, is a “mighty one”? Should we conclude that Jesus is a “false mighty one”?
As what I had post previously, there many true Presidents. They are also “mighty”, the same with Jesus Christ, a President and a mighty one, but it doesn't mean they were true gods. Because and as per the instructions/ teaching by the true teachers of God, there is only one true God, the Father.Therefore, we shall recognize only one true God, the Father. Almighty God means: Above all or could be equaled.
If we are going to accept the other so called gods are true Gods also even though they have been written in the Bible, we are placing ourselves in a direct contradiction to what Jesus Christ and his apostles doctrines.
“FOR US, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, THE FATHER” then we will contradicted it by saying No! Jesus Christ is also true God.
As what the apostle Paul, saying: “even though they are many so called gods (true or not for them) ..”For us, there is only one God, the Father” … meaning no more other God or gods to be recognized, except one.
To all,
If i have respond with the words “NICE TRY”… it doesn't mean I agreed with writer/s. I am just given my appreciation with the style of their writing.
correction:
Instead: “Therefore, we shall recognize only one true God, the Father. Almighty God means: Above all or could be equaled.
It should be like this: “Therefore, we shall recognize only one true God, the Father. Almighty God means: Above all or could not be equaled.
limjunus,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jehovah sent Jonah to the people of Nineveh; a Gentile people, and they repented and tur
ned to God. This is recorded in the book of Jonah.Limjunus,
did they go to heaven???
NO
WHO SENT THEM TO HEAVEN??
JESUS THE TRUE GOD!!
JEHOVAH ON HIS OWN NEVER SUCCEED IN DOING SO
HE HAD TO LOWER HIMSELF AND BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE THEM EVEN CARRY SATAN'S SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL FROM BIRTH TILL BAPTIZM,BECOME CURSED AND DIE IN JESUS THE ONLY SAVIOUR GOD.
JEHOVAH COULD NEVER ACHIEVE THIS AS A SPIRIT!
Peace and love in Jesus the true human God
Charles
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 18 2012,11:09) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,15:28) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 17 2012,08:21) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 17 2012,08:09) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 16 2012,20:45) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 16 2012,11:06) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,10:50) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 15 2012,17:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 16 2012,09:27) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 15 2012,16:10) So, you believe that you and your servants of YOUR “God” are also each “a god”?
Frank,Do you DENY the scriptures in which many of Jehovah's servants are called gods?
Do you think I made those scriptures up, Frank?
mikebull s'64,What it is that I deny is your perversion of Scripture!
Good. Then you accept this actual scripture:Exodus 21:6 NET ©
then his master must bring him to the judges, and he will bring him to the door or the doorposts, and his master will pierce his ear with an awl, and he shall serve him foreverThe word translated as “the judges” is really “the gods”, Frank. These gods were servants of Jehovah, and judges of His people on His behalf.
Will you call them “false gods” – even though they acted as representatives of the Almighty God?
See Frank, it is not that I “pervert” the scriptures. It's more a matter of you just not knowing them all that well.
mikebull s'64,Again, I deny your perversion of Scripture!
Be aware that the word “God” is of pagan origin!
From the Encyclopedia Americana, 1945 Edition:
“GOD (god, gawd): Common Teutonic word for personal object of religious worship, formerly applicable to super-human beings of heathen myth; on conversion of Teutonic races to Christianity, term was applied to Supreme Being, and to Persons of Trinity 6-38a; 13-58a; Bible 3-174a; Jesus Christ 8-206b; mythology 10-362b; Spinoza's philosophy 12-165a.”
Also see:
BAAL God
LORD God (The)WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
GOD, origin from pagan? Allah origin from Islam. But the importance is the meaning.What is the meaning of the word “GOD”?
limjunus,Actually the word “God” (Gad – pronounced gawd) means 'fortune, good fortune' and is translated in the KJV as 'that troop' and in no way means “Mighty One' in relation to Father Yahweh. You will see this more properly translated in the World English Bible:
“But you who forsake Yahweh, who forget My [set apart] mountain, who prepare a table for Fortune, and who fill up mixed wine to Destiny; I will destine you to the sword, and you shall all bow down to the slaughter; because when I called, you did not answer; when I spoke, you did not hear; but you did that which was evil in my eyes, and chose that in which I didn't delight.”
SOURCE (See: World English Bible translation).According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, G-D is the common Teutonic word for a personal object of religious worship, applied to all the superhuman beings of the heathen mythologies. The word “g-d” on the conversion of the Teutonic races to Christianity was adopted as the name of the One Supreme Being. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics and Webster's Twentieth Century Dictionary, Unabridged agree that the origin is Teutonic paganism.
Now, note what Isayah 65:11-12 says:
11. You are those who forsake YAHWEH (the Biblical Hebrew Creator) who forget My special mountain, who prepare a table for Gawd (G-d the Canaanite idol *El), and who furnish a drink offering for MENI (G-d’s wife),
12. Therefore, I will count you for the sword and you will all bow down for the slaughter because when I called, you did not answer, when I spoke, you did not hear, but you did evil in My sight, and chose that which displeases Me.
*NOTE: Baal is the son of El (Eloah, or the plural Elohim).
Now, note what the Jewish Virtual Library says on “Baal Worship”:
“The word baʿl, common Semitic for “owner, master, husband,” became the usual designation of the great weather-god of the Western Semites.”
SOURCENow compare this to what Scripture teaches concerning this deity:
When that time comes,” says Yahweh, “you will call me 'my husband&
#39; instead of 'my master.' I will remove the names of the **Baals from her lips; no longer will their names be invoked (Hoseyah 2:16-17).**NOTE: The English translation for the word 'Baal' is “my LORD”:
Word Origin & History
Baal
“The name of many deities of the Semitic peoples” [Klein], late 14c., Biblical use is from Heb. Ba'al, lit. “owner, master, LORD,” from ba'al “he took possession of,” also “he married;” related to Akkad. Belu (source of Heb. Bel), name of Marduk. Also related to the first element in
Beelzebub. Used figuratively for any “false god.” – Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper (Emphasis of bold capitalization mine.)1. any of numerous local deities among the ancient Semitic peoples, typifying the productive forces of nature and worshiped with much sensuality. …
World English Dictionary:
1. any of several ancient Semitic fertility gods
2. Phoenician myth the sun god and supreme national deity …Bible Dictionary:
Baal definition
LORD. (1.) The name appropriated to the principal male god of the Phoenicians. It is found in several places in the plural BAALIM (Judg. 2:11; 10:10; 1 Kings 18:18; Jer. 2:23; Hos. 2:17). Baal is identified with Molech (Jer. 19:5). It was known to the Israelites as Baal-peor (Num. 25:3; Deut. 4:3), was worshipped till the time of Samuel (1 Sam 7:4), and was afterwards the religion of the ten tribes in the time of Ahab (1 Kings 16:31-33; 18:19, 22). It prevailed also for a time in the kingdom of Judah (2 Kings 8:27; comp. 11:18; 16:3; 2 Chr. 28:2), till finally put an end to by the severe discipline of the Captivity (Zeph. 1:4-6). The priests of Baal were in great numbers (1 Kings 18:19), and of various classes (2 Kings 10:19). Their mode of offering sacrifices is described in 1 Kings 18:25-29. The sun-god, under the general title of Baal, or “lord,” was the chief object of worship of the Canaanites. Each locality had its special Baal, and the various local Baals were summed up under the name of Baalim, or “lords.” Each Baal had a wife, who was a colourless reflection of himself. (2.) A Benjamite, son of Jehiel, the progenitor of the Gibeonites (1 Chr. 8:30; 9:36). (3.) The name of a place inhabited by the Simeonites, the same probably as Baal-ath-beer (1 Chr. 4:33; Josh. 19:8). – Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary [Emphasis of bold capitalization mine.]
SOURCEYou will note that in most translations that our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name “YaHWeH” (or YeHoWaH) was SUBSTITUTED with the INFERIOR names/titles “the LORD” and “GOD” designated with all capital letters. This practice was in following with the Jewish scribes (copyist) in SUBSTITUTING His Name with the INFERIOR pagan/names/titles Adon (or plural 'Adonai) and El, Eloah {cf. Allah} (or plural 'Elohim').
The Jews developed a belief of their ***”own understanding” that is not taught in Scripture that they should not use the Name Yahweh that is contrary to what is taught in Scripture that we are to set apart (“hallow {make holy}, sanctify”), revere (“fear”), remember, think upon, wait upon, walk in, trust in, love, seek, declare (proclaim), bless, publish, call upon, sing unto, praise, esteem (“glorify”), make known (“manifest”), and know His Name.
SOURCE***NOTE:
Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, and He will make your paths straight (Proverbs 3:5-6).
How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies, even the prophets of the deceit of their own heart? That think to cause My people to forget My Name (Yahweh) by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My Name (Yahweh) for Baal (God & Lord) – SSBE Jeremiah 23:26-27.
Till when shall it be in the heart of the prophets? – the prophets of falsehood and prophets of the deceit of their own heart, who try to make My people forget My Name (Yahweh) by their dreams which everyone relates to his neighbour, as their fathers forgot My Name (Yahweh) for Ba'al (God & Lord) – SISR Yirmeyahu 23:26-27.
Also see:
BAAL Gad
LORD God (The)There is also a clear warning given to us in Scripture that we are not to add unto or take away from Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word, and this is exactly what has been done especially concerning His Name purely for the “traditions of men” sake. Note that Father Yahweh's Name is recorded in Hebrew Scripture close 7,000 times and has been SUBSTITUTED close to this many times. And to top this off, the translator's of the so-called “New Testament” did not even bother to carry His Name over in their translating, but instead followed in the tradition of the Jews in not publishing His Name in their translating. What does Scripture say concerning the erroneous practice?:
ASCRIBE to Yahweh the esteem due His Name; worship Yahweh in the splendor of His being set apart (Psalm 29:2.
ASCRIBE to Yahweh the esteem due His Name; bring an offering and come into His courts (Psalm 96:8 cf. 1 Chronicles 16:29 .
It is quite obvious to me that the scribes (copyist) and in turn the translators did not follow in Father Yahweh's clear instruction (torah, law, commandment, statute, charge, teaching). In turn it is up to us to restore His Name Yahweh to it's proper stead in the Scripture (Yahweh's prophetic inspired word) that it was removed from to the best of our knowledge. You will also note the clear teaching that there will be a RESTORATION of His Name to a “PURE LANGUAGE” by Father Yahweh Himself in the end time of His return to planet Earth when He will set up His Kingdom and do away with the unrighteous kingdoms and governments “of this world”.
For then will I restore to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the Name Yahweh, to serve Him with one accord (Zephanyah 3:9.
Also see:
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
limjunus,I forgot to give another Scriptural reference to the following note in my previous post:
***NOTE:
Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, and He will make your paths straight (Proverbs 3:5-6).
Therefore My people will KNOW My Name; therefore at that time they will KNOW that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I” (Isayah 52:6).
…
Frank,I have acknowledge Him, I am trusting Him, I am believing with the Father of Jesus Christ, in heaven, the one and only true God
Jesus Christ name is the name of God, given to him.
Note: John 17:11 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
“I won’t be in the world much longer, but they are in the world, and I’m coming back to you. Holy Father, keep them safe by the power of your name, the name that you gave me, so that their unity may be like ours.”
limjunus,Pay very close attention to the context of what is being said in the following passage from what is recorded in the so-called “New Testament” concerning redemption in the name Yahshua and please give this passage serious *STUDY.
But fist to the note:
*NOTE:
STUDY to show thyself approved unto Yahweh, a workman that need not to be ashamed, rightly dividing [giving diligence to what is actually being said] the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).
All Scripture is given by inspiration of Yahweh, and IS PROFITABLE FOR doctrine, FOR reproof, FOR correction, FOR instruction in RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of Yahweh may be PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL RIGHTEOUS WORKS (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
END NOTE
And as they [Kepha {Peter} and Yahchanan {John}] spoke unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them, BEING GRIEVED that they taught the people, and preached through Yahshua [GIVING PROCLAMATION IN HIS NAME] the resurrection from the dead. And they laid hands on [arrested] them, and put them in custody [jail] until the next day: for it was now evening. But many of them [of the people] who **HEARD THE WORD [that Kepha and Yahchanan spoke] believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
**NOTE:
That is a lot of PEOPLE [MEN and woMEN] that HEARD THE WORD that Kepha and Yahchanan spoke, right? I would like you to note that Kepha and Yahchanan spoke to the people under the inspiration of Father Yahweh's spirit just as Yahshua had spoken unto the people when he was in their presence. Now, t8, Mike, and Pierre would like to have us believe that Yahshua was the LITERAL word of Father Yahweh that LITERALLY pre-existed with Him in the beginning as an actual being that was “a god”, but the fact is, Yahshua's title is called “The Word of Yahweh” in Revelation simply because he is the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period as Hebrews 1:1-2 make perfectly clear. Since Yahshua is now with the Father in accordance to what is recorded in this passage and in accordance to everything else recorded in the so-called “New Testament”, Kepha and Yahchanan are now being spokesmen of the truth of the word that they are speaking under the inspiration of Father Yahweh's spirit.
Now, I would ask that you please read the following link to Scripture and come back and finish the rest of what I have posted:
Continuing on with the previous passage from Acts:
And it came to pass on the next day, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes, And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and Yahchanan, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Yerusalem. And when they had set them [Kepha and Yahchanan] in the midst, they asked, By what power, or BY WHAT NAME, have you done this? Then Kepha, FILLED WITH THE SET APART [“Holy”] SPIRIT, said unto them, You rulers of the people, and elders of Ysryl, If we at this time be examined of the righteous deed done to the crippled man, by what means he is made whole; Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Ysryl, that BY THE NAME OF YAHSHUA the Messiah of Nazareth, whom you executed, whom Yahweh raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, WHICH HAS BECOME THE HEAD OF THE CORNER. Neither is there redemption in any other: FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME GIVEN [by Father Yahweh] AMONG MEN, by which we MUST be redeemed. Now when they saw the boldness of Kepha and Yahchanan, and perceived that they were unlearned and ordinary men, they marveled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Yahshua. And beholding the man who was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it. But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves, Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle has been done by them is made known to all them that dwell in Yerusalem; and we cannot deny it. But that it spread no further among the people, let us sternly threaten them, that they speak no longer to any man IN THIS NAME. And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach IN THE NAME YAHSHUA. But Kepha and Yahchanan answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of Yahweh to listen unto you more than unto Yahweh, you be the judge. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard. So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing for which they might punish them, because of the people: for all men [“ABOUT 5,000”] ESTEEMED YAHWEH for that which was done. For the man was above forty years old, on whom this miracle of healing was showed. And being let go, they went to their own company, and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said unto them. And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice TO YAHWEH with one accord, and said, YAHWEH, You are the Mighty One, Who has made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that is in them: Who BY THE MOUTH OF YOUR SERVANT DAWID has said, Why did the nations rage, and the people imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against YAHWEH, AND against the one whom He anointed [YAHSHUA]. For of a truth against Your set apart [“holy”] son Yahshua, whom You have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Ysryl, were gathered together, To do whatsoever Your hand and Your counsel determined before to be done. And now, Yahweh, behold their threatenings: and grant unto Your servants, that with all boldness THEY MAY SPEAK YOUR WORD, By stretching forth Your hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done BY THE NAME OF YOUR SET APART [“HOLY”] SON YAHSHUA. And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the set apart [“holy”] Spirit, AND THEY SPOKE THE WORD OF YAHWEH with boldness. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that any of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Master Yahshua: and great favor was upon them all (Acts 4:1-33).
“Jesus” most certainly is not the Messiah's GIVEN name, since “Jesus” is a Latino name and not a Hebrew name. Yahshua was born of Hebrew speaking parents and they certainly would have not been instructed to give their son a Latino name. Would you not find it odd to even find a Jewish man in this time period whose parents had given him the Latino name “Jesus”? I most certainly would! In fact, I have yet to meet a Jewish man who parents spoke the Hebrew language with a Latino name
and most certainly doubt that I ever will.FYI, the Hebrew name Yahshua (“Joshua” – Yes, he was given the same name as the prophet of old Yahshua [Joshua] ben [son of] Nun.) means 'Yahweh is Redeemer' which signifies Father Yahweh as our Supreme Redeemer. In fact, the name 'Jesus' is simply a TRANSLATION of the Hebrew name Yeshua and both of these names are completely void of the Name of our Heavenly Father and Creator. The Hebrew name 'Yeshua' simply means 'he is redeemer' and does not signify who our Supreme Redeemer truly is. Yahshua (“Joshua”) is a TRANSLITERATION/TRANSCRIPTION of the Messiah's name and the name of the prophet of old. Note that Yahshua clearly made it known that he had come in the name of his Father (Yahchanan 5:43). Names are transliterated and transcribe in diverse languages and not translated. For example, if you hear or read the name of President John F. Kennedy on a Spanish speaking radio station or newspaper, they do not translate his name as JUAN F. Kennedy, but in fact speak and write (transliterate/transcribe) his name as it is spoken and written in our English language. This is what is called transliterating and transcribing.
Another fact that I would like to point out is that to say “Yahshua Messiah” (or “Jesus Christ”) is not proper and that Messiah (or “Christ”) is not a part of his name or a title, but is in fact the act that was performed in his being 'anointed' by Father Yahweh. So, to say “Yahshua THE Messiah (or “THE Anointed”) is how he should be properly addressed.
Did The Father And The Son Have The Same Name?
WHO IS THE WORD?
John Chapter OneELOHIM: ONE, OR MORE THAN ONE?
Exodus 32
By Voy Wilks
3/9/98The Pre-existence
Philippians 2:5-11
By Voy Wilks
1/29/92Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?
…
Frankk,In that case, we should make change all the name Jesus Christ, written in all the Bible versions.
by the name “Jesus the Anointed”.???
Quote (carmel @ Sep. 18 2012,16:47) limjunus,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Jehovah sent Jonah to the people of Nineveh; a Gentile people, and they repented and tur
ned to God. This is recorded in the book of Jonah.Limjunus,
did they go to heaven???
NO
WHO SENT THEM TO HEAVEN??
JESUS THE TRUE GOD!!
JEHOVAH ON HIS OWN NEVER SUCCEED IN DOING SO
HE HAD TO LOWER HIMSELF AND BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE THEM EVEN CARRY SATAN'S SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL FROM BIRTH TILL BAPTIZM,BECOME CURSED AND DIE IN JESUS THE ONLY SAVIOUR GOD.
JEHOVAH COULD NEVER ACHIEVE THIS AS A SPIRIT!
Peace and love in Jesus the true human God
Charles
Carmel,Where is the passages from the Bible that the Almighty God, should lower Himself or He must go down here on earth transforming from Celestial Supreme Being to as an actual flesh in the guise of Jesus Christ and then died for us?
The Supreme Being, the Almighty God, hath transformed from Celestial Being to a human being then died for us?
wow!A 100% crushing HEAD-ON the truth about the the Bible messages.
Here is the facts and the truth: “HE SENT HIS SON TO DIE FOR US AND NOT HE SENT HIMSELF AND DIED FOR US”,
I John 4:9 NKJV
In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.
I John 4:10 NKJV
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
I John 4:14 NKJV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
The Almighty God, did not go down here on earth and hath transformed from Celestial Supreme Being down to a mere human being (flesh). The foreknown of God, the part of the plans of God Almighty, has been materialized, the very reason of all the creation of God, though the so called begotten Son of God, the heirs of all creations together with his believers has been materialized in these last days.
The real meaning of the words “sending His begotten Son here on earth is in fact, the very justification of why the Almighty God, created everything,… was foreknown in the beginning before the foundation of the world but only these last day has been implemented or has been made and shall be known.
1 Peter 1:20 ASV
“who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of times for your sake,
All the prophets, including Jesus and the apostles were already in this world. What I am trying to portrait is, the word “sent from heaven” it doesn't means, they are literally from heaven, except the celestial beings where their sanctuary is in heaven.
Jesus Christ is not literally came down from heaven. It was just a figuratively speaking but in fact Jesus Christ is a man from or of God. Jesus Christ is one of the creation of God, through the seed of Abraham, not as many seeds but only one seed and it was Jesus Christ. If you were in Christ Jesus, you are the seed of Abraham.
Almighty God, said a covenant to Abraham, ” I WILL BE YOUR GOD AND TO YOUR SEED”
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. (Gal. 3:16 NKJV)
And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:29 NKJV)
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,14:23) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 18 2012,01:05) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,17:21) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 17 2012,16:50) limjunus, you talk too much.
i just want you to answer yes or no
paul said Christ is the ONLY LORD.
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?
yes or no?
i do not want many words boy.
just say yes or no
Jammin,as what I have post, in some instances, you should followed me literally but not in the words of “ONLY ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST” … you must understand why apostle Paul, hath instructed the chosen people of God, that they have only one Lord, Jesus Christ, with the exception to the rules.
Meaning: Jesus Christ is only one Lord for being the head of his church but not for being the Lord God. Col. 1:18.
It isn't clear for you?
Then, you have a big problem with your belief.
ill repeat
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?yes or no?
Jammin,Recycling question? need to be answered with recycling answers.
Read back kiddie boy!
you did not answer my question boy LOLyou are just making excuses. why is it hard for you to answer yes or no? LOL
ill repeat
paul said Christ is the ONLY LORD.
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?
yes or no?
Quote (jammin @ Sep. 18 2012,22:02) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 18 2012,14:23) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 18 2012,01:05) Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,17:21) Quote (jammin @ Sep. 17 2012,16:50) limjunus, you talk too much.
i just want you to answer yes or no
paul said Christ is the ONLY LORD.
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?
yes or no?
i do not want many words boy.
just say yes or no
Jammin,as what I have post, in some instances, you should followed me literally but not in the words of “ONLY ONE LORD, JESUS CHRIST” … you must understand why apostle Paul, hath instructed the chosen people of God, that they have only one Lord, Jesus Christ, with the exception to the rules.
Meaning: Jesus Christ is only one Lord for being the head of his church but not for being the Lord God. Col. 1:18.
It isn't clear for you?
Then, you have a big problem with your belief.
ill repeat
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?yes or no?
Jammin,Recycling question? need to be answered with recycling answers.
Read back kiddie boy!
you did not answer my question boy LOLyou are just making excuses. why is it hard for you to answer yes or no? LOL
ill repeat
paul said Christ is the ONLY LORD.
so therefore if im going to follow your argument, bec paul also said that the father is the only GOD, the father is not LORD to you?
yes or no?
Jammin,I have already my answered, but you do not want to read it.
I have so many question directly addressed to you but also you have failed to answer it.
You just want to post yours and browsing for the answers.
Read back and do the real reading so that you would not be like a broken music dish.
How many answers you really want from me, thousands?
You are 100% unfair “kiddie boy”. You want me to answer your question many times but how about you… did you answers my questions and the questions of other contributors here?
To make it clear. I did not make any argument that the God, should not be called Lord, because of the phrase written in 1 Cor. 8:6, that Jesus Christ, is the only one Lord. You are the one posting it and capitalizing it for your incorrect understanding that Jesus Christ is God. 100% the same incorrect understanding of the verse 20:28 of John, with the reaction of apostle Thomas exclaiming “MY LORD AND MY GOD!
Jammin,
I am wondering, why you still here in heaven-net. You are just acting like a nuisance writer with a hard head.
Instead of being a nuisance contributor here, it is better for you to lay down your very strong proofs to prove that Jesus Christ is true God.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 16 2012,08:43) mike is not God ,the GOD OF GODS AND LORD OF LORDS
Yes He is, Pierre.So that means “for us there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ” is an EMPHATICAL statement, and is NOT meant to imply that Jehovah is not our Lord.
It also means there MUST exist other gods that Jehovah is the God OF.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 18 2012,08:40) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,18:25) Does “EL” define only as 'a mighty one' or does “EL” define as “God” too?
The KJV sometimes translates the words “el” and “elohim” as “judges”, “God”, “gods”, and “mighty”.
Hi Mike,Is that a Yes then, “EL” defines as God as well as 'a mighty one'; Yes or No?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2012,01:30) To all, Jesus declared Jehovah/Yawheh is his and his followers God and Lord and yet Paul teaches there is but one Lord and one God. Does that mean Jesus is not Lord? Of course not. God is Jehovah's/Yawheh's ultimate title while Lord is Jesus'.
Jesus is the one Lord and his Lord is Jehovah/Yawheh, the one true God; the source of all good things.
Why are there some here that deny that Jehovah is Jesus' Lord even though they know Jesus declared him to be?
Kerwin,Contrary to what Frank said, your post is succinct and accurate. More importantly, you didn't need to use a million words to convey this important truth of scripture.
Well put.
Quote (carmel @ Sep. 17 2012,15:21) John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. THE ONLY TRUE GOD ,AND JESUS CHRIST
Charles, that big, bolded word “AND” should tell you that TWO are being discussed – not just one. The teaching is about the “only true God”…………………… AND ………………. Jesus Christ – the one the only true God SENT.See? TWO persons – only ONE of whom is “the only true God”.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Sep. 17 2012,18:36) Mike, The words “el”, “eloah”, “elohim”, “adon”, and “adonia” are also of pagan origin. It seems that you are still hard of hearing and seeing although you do have ears and eyes
So the writers of the Bible, who called Jehovah “el”, “eloah”, and “elohim”, were all talking about a PAGAN God?Frank, if Jehovah refered to Himself using the word “el”, then it is also good enough for me.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 17 2012,18:51) Frank, Humility is a good thing to learn as is saying much with few words.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,22:52) Mike, I have already answered all your questions.
No you haven't.Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,22:52) But the words “For us, there is only one God, the Father, we must take it and understand it literally.
Why? Because YOU say so? Don't you understand that if you take those words literally, you are in effect claiming that your Lord Jesus Christ is NOT a “true god”, and therefore a “false god”?limjunis, the word “theos” means “mighty one”. Is Jehovah LITERALLY the “only true mighty one”? If so, does it make Jesus a “false mighty one”? PLEASE ANSWER.
Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,22:52) Because, the phrases is the equivalent of the words “almighty God” … the exact and complete meaning of the word ONENESS.
The word “almighty” does not mean “only true”.Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,23:17) They are also “mighty”, the same with Jesus Christ………
You have made my point for me. Since “theos” means “mighty one”, and you just admitted that Jesus is ALSO a “mighty one”, it shows that we CAN'T take the words “only true mighty one” LITERALLY.Quote (limjunus @ Sep. 17 2012,23:17) If we are going to accept the other so called gods are true Gods also even though they have been written in the Bible, we are placing ourselves in a direct contradiction to what Jesus Christ and his apostles doctrines.
First of all, there is NOT ONE SINGLE HEBREW OR GREEK SCRIPTURE that uses the phrases “so-called gods” or “false gods”. These phrases are the inventions of English translators, and don't exist in the original languages of the scriptures.Secondly, you say we are placing ourselves in contradiction to what is taught in scripture, right? Consider this scripture:
Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”Should we take the words of Jesus LITERALLY, and assume that he has authority even over his own God, Jehovah?
And if we use our common sense and understand these words IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SCRIPTURES AS A WHOLE – that they mean all authority EXCEPT FOR authority over Jehovah – are we “placing ourselves in contradiction” to the very words of Jesus?
limjunis, I agree that sometimes, the statements in the Bible are emphatical statements, and not to be taken as literal statements. We can determine which way to take the statements from the CONTEXT OF THE SCRIPTURES AS A WHOLE, right?
And it seems we are in agreement about “everything under his feet” not being a LITERAL statement. I assume you also agree with me that “all authority” is not LITERAL, or else Jehovah would have NO authority left anymore.
So we are probably in agreement on MOST of these EMPHATICAL statements, but disagree on “only true mighty one”. The problem is that you've already admitted that Jesus IS a “mighty one”. So your own words have acknowledged that Jesus' words in John 17:3 cannot possibly be LITERAL – unless you consider your Lord Jesus to be a “false mighty one”. Do you?
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