JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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July 4, 2012 at 6:35 pm#304982

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Kerwin, is there at least one time in scripture when the phrase “the word of God” does NOT refer to that which comes out of the mouth of God, but to the PERSON Jesus Christ? YES or NO?

July 4, 2012 at 8:09 pm#304991

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Hi Kerwin:

How did John the baptist recognize the Word of God in Jesus?

Sin is defined as “the transgression of the Law”, and an infant has not transgressed the Law, and therefore, I disagree with you that infants have a sin nature. The scripture states that all of humanity born of the sperm of man have sinned, and that is true. An infants parents are responsible for a child, and so if the parents are not Christians, the child is said to be unclean. Not beca.use the child has sinned, but because the parents do not have a personal relationship with Him. Children of Christian parents are part of the body of Christ as children who are under the law of God through their parents. Of course, once they can make a decision for themselves as to whether or not they want to serve God, they will also have to make that decision.

And so, my understanding is that all infants including Jesus were born in innocence, but the scripture states this:

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Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all

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Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done

The scripture states that Jesus was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, but no, David was not his biological Father, God was his Father, but in a sense Jesus did have two fathers in that Joseph was his step-father and raised him under the Law of Moses. Jesus asks the Pharisees:

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Mat 22:41 ¶ While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

Mat 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.

Mat 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Of course, all men born of the sperm man cannot be a part of the kingdom of God unless they are born again, because all men have sinned. And yes, we are saved by faith believing the Word of God, and coming to him with a repentant heart.

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When a person of flesh is born by the Word; the Word becomes flesh and makes a home among them for they become the temple of God’s Spirit.

Jesus stated the following:

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Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

And so, no, the Word of God does not become flesh. If you obey the Word of God, it becomes part of your spirit. But John 1:14 the Logos became flesh, that is, what God had stated concerning his Son into this world became flesh or a reality. Do you see the difference?

Love in Christ,
Marty

July 4, 2012 at 8:14 pm#304992

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And is it scriptural that, WHILE JESUS WAS ON EARTH, he was the only begotten Son of God? YES or NO?

No.

No?

Hi Ed:

I said no, because of the following scripture:

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Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

But since the disciples did not receive the Holy Ghost until the day of Pentecost, perphaps I should have answered yes instead of no.

Thanks for keeping me honest.

Love in Christ,
Marty

July 4, 2012 at 8:17 pm#304993

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No, the first verse states:

In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

And, so this had to happen before he tells us about transforming the heavens and the earth and creating the host of them thereof.

what is your NO means you are quoting what I have quoted ??????

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The following verse that you posted verifies this:

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Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible

this you muddy it up ,so please clear it up.

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The problem is that you want to post scriptures out of context and trying to justify what you believe, and so you post the following scriptures:

COL 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
COL 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible,

But the scriptures in context are as follows:

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Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

sorry but this “all the verses that Paul talks about his definitively Christ after and before his resurrection and so ;RO 16:25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past,

now ;
Col 1:15 Who is (not become )the image of the invisible God, the firstborn ( not of men)of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created(no exceptions), that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things(not after all things), and by him all things consist.

those verses are now saying who he his and what has happen ;PAUL UNDER NO CONDITION TALK ABOUT CHRIST ACCOMPLISHMENT AS A MAN ;BUT SHOW HOW GOD DID RECONCILED ALL THING AND BY WHOM GOD DID IT ” HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT HE SEND FROM HEAVEN TO BE BORN OF A WOMEN SO HE COULD BE VESTED LIKE HIS FUTURE BROTHERS,

NOW WEN PAUL SAYS “ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM “WOULD THAT NOT INCLUDED MARY THE WOMAN THAT GIVE HIM BIRTH AS A HUMAN?? OR ALL THINGS ARE WITH EXCLUSIVES SO WHAT WOULD BE NOT INCLUDED IN THE “IN ALL THINGS”

NOW THIS ;

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things(things not yet done as well), and through whom he made the universe.
Heb 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful Word(Christ). After he( the Word of God ,Christ) had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.(so went back to heaven)

are not the words of Paul the same in Col;15-20 than in Hebrew 1;as quoted why is it said ???and through whom he made the universe.??? in Col it says this ; For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,TELL ME WITCH IS A LIE ?

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And this one which states that he was foreordained, and he was, but he did not literally exist until he was born into this world of the virgin Mary which the scripture confirms because the scripture again makes reference to his blood.

Rev 22:6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”

Rev 21:14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Jn 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

according to your definition of preordained we have to include THE TWELVE APOSTLES,ALL THE PROPHETS ,AND ALL THE PROPHECIES GIVEN BY GOD ,

NOTICE THAT ALL HAVE PLAY A ROLE IN THE FINAL PLAN OF GOD AND STILL WILL ;TO BRING IT TO ITS END .

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In John 6:

Jesus makes the statement that he came down from heaven, and he speaks of eating his flesh and drinking his blood, and so he was speaking about himself as a man, and we know that he did not exist as a man until he was born of the virgin Mary. But when he speaks of eating his flesh and drinking his blood, he is actually speaking of what he did for us in the body giving his life through obeying God even unto death on the cross so that we could be saved. He said, in explaining what he meant by eating his flesh and drinking his blood,

YOU are quick to point out what you do not accept with what you do not understand ,and so nullify the words that Christ said ,AND YOU ARE LIVING IN THE TRUTH WITCH ONE ? YOURS OF CAUSE ,NOT GODS TRUTH.

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and we know that he did not exist as a man until he was born of the virgin Mary.

WE KNOW THAT HE EXISTED IN HEAVEN AND THAT HE WAS SEN BY HIS FATHER TO COME ON EARTH TO FULFILL ALL WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT HIM (THE CHRIST)THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,MARY WAS PART OF THAT FULFILLMENT AS IT SAYS ;THE MAIDEN WILL GIVE BIRTH OF A SON ;…..JOHN THE BAPTIST TESTIFY TO THIS BY SAYING ; Jn 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ ”

SO FAR YOU HAVE PROVEN TO ME AND OTHERS THAT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES UNLESS IT IS WORKED OUT THE WAY YOU SEE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT THAT IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY YOU AND SO BY ALL OTHERS ,

SORRY BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY THAT SCRIPTURES ARE TEACHING THE WORDS OF GOD AND IT NOT THE WAY CHRIST HAS TEACHES ,SO I STICK WITH SCRIPTURES ,AND YOU CAN STICK TO YOUR OWN MEN MADE CONCEPT.

ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Adj.1.foreordained – established or prearranged unalterably; “his place in history was foreordained”; “a sense of predestinate inevitability about it”; “it seemed predestined since the beginning of the world”
predestinate, predestined
sure, certain – certain to occur; destined or inevitable; “he was certain to fail”; “his fate is certain”; “In this life nothing is certain but death and taxes”- Benjamin Franklin; “he faced certain death”; “sudden but sure regret”; “he is sure to win”
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.

UNDERSTAND THAT THE WORDS OF GOD NEVER FAILS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED ,BUT THE TRUTH HIS THE TRUTH ,ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM ..ALL THINGS ..ALL THINGS

COL 1:26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
COL 1:27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Hi Pierre:

There is no use continuing this converstation with you, I will just pray that God will correct me if I am wrong in my understanding of His Word, and that He will correct you if you are wrong.

Love in Christ,
Marty

July 4, 2012 at 9:19 pm#305000

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