JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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    journey42
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    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 21 2012,13:56)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2012,13:09)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 20 2012,07:45)
    I like your humility Mike…
    I too need to examine myself because sometimes the spirit of love gets pushed aside by the spirit of frustration, and from there anger/pride etc sometimes swells up in me causing me to say the wrong things, and later when i reflect on my words….regret stings me!

    Thanks J42, we all need remember how important love is!

    Cheers.


    Hi Devo,

    You won't even believe how God used your post (and the following one from journey) to talk to me right here, and right now.

    I just logged in to HN, and started with this thread (since it was at the top of the list).  I went back to my last post (which was about 6 pages ago – even though it's only been a day :) ) and started reading forward – like I do each day.

    And the more “smart assed” comments I read, the more I was literally (and I mean LITERALLY) telling myself, “I'm done with all this.  I can't just go on trading smart assed comments with Frank, Nick, and the others, seeing who can come out on top as the “wittiest”, or the one with the smoothest put down.  God, I'm done doing this.  This is not love.”

    And then, about three pages into reading the thread, I saw your comment and journey's too.  You called me humble because of words I said to journey, words I didn't really act upon after saying them.  Your posts confirmed to me what I was saying in my head while reading – that I just can't keep playing this “one upmanship” game anymore.  

    And what's more, I was already thinking about this arrogant game many of us play on HN while I was at work today.  We had the radio playing, and the song Have You Never Been Mellow came on.  Some of the words hit home hard for me.  Words like “There was a time when I just HAD TO TELL MY POINT OF VIEW, I was like you”.  And the words, “Have you never let SOMEONE ELSE be strong?”

    I am firmly grounded in what I believe the scriptures teach.  But I have a habit of CRAMMING my understanding down the throats of those who have a different understanding.  I act as if MY WAY is the only possible way it could ever be.  It's like I have to shove my point of view in everyone's face.  I can't let them be right, no matter what.  I can't let them be “strong” by having the last word.

    Well, no more.  I'm done.

    I've heard that song a thousand times before, and many times at work the music just drones in the background.  But today, those words jumped out at me, and my thoughts went immediately to the way I behave on HN.  And then, just as I was telling myself enough is enough, I came across the posts from you and journey.  Maybe I'm just reading into simple coincidences, but it seems to me like God is trying to tell me something through others – or at the very least confirm what I was already thinking about.

    Anyway, I thank journey for her first post that got me thinking in the first place, and I thank you both for your comments.  Mostly, I thank God for all the wonderful things I have going for me in my life.  And with His help and support, you guys will be seeing a very different mikeboll64 around here from now on.

    peace,
    mike


    Mike,

    Praise Yahweh for that! How did it feel to get a taste of your own medicine? Left a proverbial bad taste in your mouth, did it not?  :;):

    Frank
    You cannot enter the kingdom of God unless you have love.  It will all be for nothing otherwise.  Hear Jesus's words.  They were mean't for you too.
    We are not supposed to use the scriptures to mock people, but edify them.
    Take care.

    John 13:35   By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

    #303495
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pierre and journey, thank you both for your words.  Pierre, if I get REALLY sad, will you let me win the chess game to make me feel better?  Or is that something separate?  :)

    About the subject of jammin's thread:

    Someone dwelled on earth having the glory of God's only begotten.  I know that was Jesus, because he is the only one who could possibly have the glory of God's only begotten………… because he is the only one who IS God's only begotten.

    1:14 says that the one who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten “became flesh”.  I doubt any of us here speak with pride about the day our child “became flesh”.  We most likely speak very fondly of the days our children were born, but we wouldn't say something like, “I remember fondly the day little Mikey became flesh“.

    To me, the wording “became flesh”, or “was made flesh”, speaks of one who at one time WASN'T flesh, but then was MADE flesh.  So whoever “became flesh” must have been existing in a different form before being made into a human being.  (See Phil 2:5-8)

    And according to 1:14, this one who “became flesh” is referred to as “the Word”.  So working it backwards, I come to the conclusion that Jesus is the only one who ever dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten, and therefore the one who “became flesh”, and therefore “the Word”.

    There are many scriptures that support this understanding (Phil 2 and Rev 19 come immediately to mind), and not one scripture refutes it.

    #303500
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Indeed the Word was not flesh.
    The Word was with God.

    #303504
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2012,09:59)
    Pierre and journey, thank you both for your words.  Pierre, if I get REALLY sad, will you let me win the chess game to make me feel better?  Or is that something separate?  :)

    About the subject of jammin's thread:

    Someone dwelled on earth having the glory of God's only begotten.  I know that was Jesus, because he is the only one who could possibly have the glory of God's only begotten………… because he is the only one who IS God's only begotten.

    1:14 says that the one who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten “became flesh”.  I doubt any of us here speak with pride about the day our child “became flesh”.  We most likely speak very fondly of the days our children were born, but we wouldn't say something like, “I remember fondly the day little Mikey became flesh“.

    To me, the wording “became flesh”, or “was made flesh”, speaks of one who at one time WASN'T flesh, but then was MADE flesh.  So whoever “became flesh” must have been existing in a different form before being made into a human being.  (See Phil 2:5-8)

    And according to 1:14, this one who “became flesh” is referred to as “the Word”.  So working it backwards, I come to the conclusion that Jesus is the only one who ever dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten, and therefore the one who “became flesh”, and therefore “the Word”.

    There are many scriptures that support this understanding (Phil 2 and Rev 19 come immediately to mind), and not one scripture refutes it.


    Amen Mike
    God revealed this to you.

    #303514
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 21 2012,17:10)
    Hi MB,
    Indeed the Word was not flesh.
    The Word was with God.


    I concur, Nick. But when the Word was made flesh, the disciples were able to see that he had the glory of God's only begotten. Only one would have that glory, because only one is God's only begotten.

    #303517
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    And we who are reborn into him can share that glory the man Jesus gained.

    #303523
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2012,16:59)
    Pierre and journey, thank you both for your words.  Pierre, if I get REALLY sad, will you let me win the chess game to make me feel better?  Or is that something separate?  :)

    About the subject of jammin's thread:

    Someone dwelled on earth having the glory of God's only begotten.  I know that was Jesus, because he is the only one who could possibly have the glory of God's only begotten………… because he is the only one who IS God's only begotten.

    1:14 says that the one who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten “became flesh”.  I doubt any of us here speak with pride about the day our child “became flesh”.  We most likely speak very fondly of the days our children were born, but we wouldn't say something like, “I remember fondly the day little Mikey became flesh“.

    To me, the wording “became flesh”, or “was made flesh”, speaks of one who at one time WASN'T flesh, but then was MADE flesh.  So whoever “became flesh” must have been existing in a different form before being made into a human being.  (See Phil 2:5-8)

    And according to 1:14, this one who “became flesh” is referred to as “the Word”.  So working it backwards, I come to the conclusion that Jesus is the only one who ever dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten, and therefore the one who “became flesh”, and therefore “the Word”.

    There are many scriptures that support this understanding (Phil 2 and Rev 19 come immediately to mind), and not one scripture refutes it.


    Mike

    :D Yes I would because all my soul is devoted to God ,no matter what I do ,chess is just a game for our enjoyment ,no more ,but you not notice it .

    Take care my friend ,the things you do are good just pay attention that the Mobil for witch you do it is also good :)

    #303538
    Frank4YAHWEH
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 21 2012,19:30)

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 21 2012,13:56)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2012,13:09)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 20 2012,07:45)
    I like your humility Mike…
    I too need to examine myself because sometimes the spirit of love gets pushed aside by the spirit of frustration, and from there anger/pride etc sometimes swells up in me causing me to say the wrong things, and later when i reflect on my words….regret stings me!

    Thanks J42, we all need remember how important love is!

    Cheers.


    Hi Devo,

    You won't even believe how God used your post (and the following one from journey) to talk to me right here, and right now.

    I just logged in to HN, and started with this thread (since it was at the top of the list).  I went back to my last post (which was about 6 pages ago – even though it's only been a day :) ) and started reading forward – like I do each day.

    And the more “smart assed” comments I read, the more I was literally (and I mean LITERALLY) telling myself, “I'm done with all this.  I can't just go on trading smart assed comments with Frank, Nick, and the others, seeing who can come out on top as the “wittiest”, or the one with the smoothest put down.  God, I'm done doing this.  This is not love.”

    And then, about three pages into reading the thread, I saw your comment and journey's too.  You called me humble because of words I said to journey, words I didn't really act upon after saying them.  Your posts confirmed to me what I was saying in my head while reading – that I just can't keep playing this “one upmanship” game anymore.  

    And what's more, I was already thinking about this arrogant game many of us play on HN while I was at work today.  We had the radio playing, and the song Have You Never Been Mellow came on.  Some of the words hit home hard for me.  Words like “There was a time when I just HAD TO TELL MY POINT OF VIEW, I was like you”.  And the words, “Have you never let SOMEONE ELSE be strong?”

    I am firmly grounded in what I believe the scriptures teach.  But I have a habit of CRAMMING my understanding down the throats of those who have a different understanding.  I act as if MY WAY is the only possible way it could ever be.  It's like I have to shove my point of view in everyone's face.  I can't let them be right, no matter what.  I can't let them be “strong” by having the last word.

    Well, no more.  I'm done.

    I've heard that song a thousand times before, and many times at work the music just drones in the background.  But today, those words jumped out at me, and my thoughts went immediately to the way I behave on HN.  And then, just as I was telling myself enough is enough, I came across the posts from you and journey.  Maybe I'm just reading into simple coincidences, but it seems to me like God is trying to tell me something through others – or at the very least confirm what I was already thinking about.

    Anyway, I thank journey for her first post that got me thinking in the first place, and I thank you both for your comments.  Mostly, I thank God for all the wonderful things I have going for me in my life.  And with His help and support, you guys will be seeing a very different mikeboll64 around here from now on.

    peace,
    mike


    Mike,

    Praise Yahweh for that! How did it feel to get a taste of your own medicine? Left a proverbial bad taste in your mouth, did it not?  :;):

    Frank
    You cannot enter the kingdom of God unless you have love.  It will all be for nothing otherwise.  Hear Jesus's words.  They were mean't for you too.
    We are not supposed to use the scriptures to mock people, but edify them.
    Take care.

    John 13:35   By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


    journey42,

    Where have you ever heard me say in this forum that I have ever hated anyone here? What it is that I hate is a lie as Scripture instructs me to do. One can not enter Yahweh's Kingdom by teaching doctrines of demons either. One is not supposed to use Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word (Scripture) by twisting it to promote the lie that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being (as “God”, “a god”, or “an angel”) that was with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning. This is most certainly not edifying people in the truth of Father Yahweh's word!

    Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

    “Jesus IS God!”?

    #303542
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 22 2012,12:07)

    Quote (journey42 @ June 21 2012,19:30)

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 21 2012,13:56)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2012,13:09)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 20 2012,07:45)
    I like your humility Mike…
    I too need to examine myself because sometimes the spirit of love gets pushed aside by the spirit of frustration, and from there anger/pride etc sometimes swells up in me causing me to say the wrong things, and later when i reflect on my words….regret stings me!

    Thanks J42, we all need remember how important love is!

    Cheers.


    Hi Devo,

    You won't even believe how God used your post (and the following one from journey) to talk to me right here, and right now.

    I just logged in to HN, and started with this thread (since it was at the top of the list).  I went back to my last post (which was about 6 pages ago – even though it's only been a day :) ) and started reading forward – like I do each day.

    And the more “smart assed” comments I read, the more I was literally (and I mean LITERALLY) telling myself, “I'm done with all this.  I can't just go on trading smart assed comments with Frank, Nick, and the others, seeing who can come out on top as the “wittiest”, or the one with the smoothest put down.  God, I'm done doing this.  This is not love.”

    And then, about three pages into reading the thread, I saw your comment and journey's too.  You called me humble because of words I said to journey, words I didn't really act upon after saying them.  Your posts confirmed to me what I was saying in my head while reading – that I just can't keep playing this “one upmanship” game anymore.  

    And what's more, I was already thinking about this arrogant game many of us play on HN while I was at work today.  We had the radio playing, and the song Have You Never Been Mellow came on.  Some of the words hit home hard for me.  Words like “There was a time when I just HAD TO TELL MY POINT OF VIEW, I was like you”.  And the words, “Have you never let SOMEONE ELSE be strong?”

    I am firmly grounded in what I believe the scriptures teach.  But I have a habit of CRAMMING my understanding down the throats of those who have a different understanding.  I act as if MY WAY is the only possible way it could ever be.  It's like I have to shove my point of view in everyone's face.  I can't let them be right, no matter what.  I can't let them be “strong” by having the last word.

    Well, no more.  I'm done.

    I've heard that song a thousand times before, and many times at work the music just drones in the background.  But today, those words jumped out at me, and my thoughts went immediately to the way I behave on HN.  And then, just as I was telling myself enough is enough, I came across the posts from you and journey.  Maybe I'm just reading into simple coincidences, but it seems to me like God is trying to tell me something through others – or at the very least confirm what I was already thinking about.

    Anyway, I thank journey for her first post that got me thinking in the first place, and I thank you both for your comments.  Mostly, I thank God for all the wonderful things I have going for me in my life.  And with His help and support, you guys will be seeing a very different mikeboll64 around here from now on.

    peace,
    mike


    Mike,

    Praise Yahweh for that! How did it feel to get a taste of your own medicine? Left a proverbial bad taste in your mouth, did it not?  :;):

    Frank
    You cannot enter the kingdom of God unless you have love.  It will all be for nothing otherwise.  Hear Jesus's words.  They were mean't for you too.
    We are not supposed to use the scriptures to mock people, but edify them.
    Take care.

    John 13:35   By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


    journey42,

    Where have you ever heard me say in this forum that I have ever hated anyone here? What it is that I hate is a lie as Scripture instructs me to do. One can not enter Yahweh's Kingdom by teaching doctrines of demons either. One is not supposed to use Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word (Scripture) by twisting it to promote the lie that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being (as “God”, “a god”, or “an angel”) that was with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning. This is most certainly not edifying people in the truth of Father Yahweh's word!

    Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

    “Jesus IS God!”?


    Frank4yahweh.

    Please concentrate:
    The word was FROM EVERLASTING.
    This same word was made flesh at birth,but he is still from everlasting.The changing into flesh has a beginning,the changing happened at birth. But he is still from everlasting for he is still the word of God.

    He is the bread that came down from heaven.He was with God in heaven from everlasting.
    Can you see what I am trying to say to you?

    wakeup.

    #303544
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    The Son of Mary was born.
    He was reborn of the Spirit at the Jordan

    #303560
    Frank4YAHWEH
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ June 21 2012,16:54)

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 21 2012,08:50)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 21 2012,12:28)

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 21 2012,01:44)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2012,13:20)

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 19 2012,20:15)
    And BTW, your “God of Luck” has nothing to do with Father Yahweh or His son Yahshua the Messiah that He promised to sent in this last time period. Again as always, you have been owned!


    No Frank,

    It is YOUR Jesus who was “lucky”.  Mine made a great sacrifice.  Yours won the best lottery ever imaginable.


    Mike,

    I'm not the one who hired a Latino immigrant to be my Messiah, you did!  :D


    Frank;

    You do not know what a name is.  If you did you would not make foolish comments like this one.

    “TheLordisSalvation is the Anointed” is the English translation of “Yoshua is the Messiah”.  The angel did not instruct Mary to name her son a bunch of meaningless noise but instead gave her a name with meaning.   English; and for that matter Greek; is an alien language to those whose first language is English.


    kerwin,

    FACT: “Jesus” was not the Messiah's GIVEN name! The name Yahshua means 'Yahweh is Redeemer'. The name “Jesus” most certainly does not in any way convey this meaning, does not signify Father Yahweh as our Supreme Redeemer and his and our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name in which Yahshua Messiah said that he came in.

    Neither is there redemption IN ANY OTHER: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven GIVEN among men, whereby we MUST be redeemed (Acts 4:12).

    THE NAME JESUS


    Frank;

    You are confusing an apparent fact with a fact.  Fact: Yeshua's name is not a meaningless name as we often have in this age.  Jesus' name is TheLordIsSalvation that is translated to Hebrew as Yeshua and to Greek as Iesous.  Yeshua is just the Hebrew words that means TheLordisSalvation.  

    This is easy to understand as the people of that age valued meaning over letter.


    kerwin,

    The name Yeshua simply means 'he redeems' in Hebrew and does not signify Father Yahweh as our Supreme Redeemer and this name certainly does not mean “TheLordisSalvation”. This name was promoted in avoidance of pronouncing our Heavenly Father and Creator's name within Yahshua's name by the Jews:

    There Is Strength (Power, Authority) In The Name Yahweh (Micyah 4:5; Proverb 18:10)

    But if I say I'll never mention Yahweh or speak in His Name, His word burns in my heart like a fire. It's like a fire in my bones! I am worn out trying to hold it in! I can't do it! (Yeremyah 20:9)

    But to stop this thing from spreading any further among the people, we must warn these men to speak no longer to anyone in this name. Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Yahshua. But Kepha and Yahchanan replied, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in Yahweh's sight to obey you rather than Yahweh. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.” After further threats they let them go. They could not decide how to punish them, because all the people were praising Yahweh for what had happened. For the man who was miraculously healed was over forty years old. On their release, Kepha and Yahchanan went back to their own people and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to Yahweh. “Sovereign Yahweh,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. You spoke by the set apart Spirit through the mouth of Your servant, our father Dawid: “'Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against Yahweh and against His anointed one.' Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the nations and the people of Ysryl in this city to conspire against Your set apart servant Yahshua, whom You anointed. They did what Your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. Now, Yahweh, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak Your word with great boldness. Stretch out Your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of Your set apart servant Yahshua.” After they had communed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the set apart Spirit and spoke the word of Yahweh boldly. All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Master Yahshua, and much favor was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. Yahseph, a Lewite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet. (Acts 4:17-37).

    The Name Yahweh

    #303561
    Frank4YAHWEH
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,12:25)

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 22 2012,12:07)

    Quote (journey42 @ June 21 2012,19:30)

    Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 21 2012,13:56)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2012,13:09)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 20 2012,07:45)
    I like your humility Mike…
    I too need to examine myself because sometimes the spirit of love gets pushed aside by the spirit of frustration, and from there anger/pride etc sometimes swells up in me causing me to say the wrong things, and later when i reflect on my words….regret stings me!

    Thanks J42, we all need remember how important love is!

    Cheers.


    Hi Devo,

    You won't even believe how God used your post (and the following one from journey) to talk to me right here, and right now.

    I just logged in to HN, and started with this thread (since it was at the top of the list).  I went back to my last post (which was about 6 pages ago – even though it's only been a day :) ) and started reading forward – like I do each day.

    And the more “smart assed” comments I read, the more I was literally (and I mean LITERALLY) telling myself, “I'm done with all this.  I can't just go on trading smart assed comments with Frank, Nick, and the others, seeing who can come out on top as the “wittiest”, or the one with the smoothest put down.  God, I'm done doing this.  This is not love.”

    And then, about three pages into reading the thread, I saw your comment and journey's too.  You called me humble because of words I said to journey, words I didn't really act upon after saying them.  Your posts confirmed to me what I was saying in my head while reading – that I just can't keep playing this “one upmanship” game anymore.  

    And what's more, I was already thinking about this arrogant game many of us play on HN while I was at work today.  We had the radio playing, and the song Have You Never Been Mellow came on.  Some of the words hit home hard for me.  Words like “There was a time when I just HAD TO TELL MY POINT OF VIEW, I was like you”.  And the words, “Have you never let SOMEONE ELSE be strong?”

    I am firmly grounded in what I believe the scriptures teach.  But I have a habit of CRAMMING my understanding down the throats of those who have a different understanding.  I act as if MY WAY is the only possible way it could ever be.  It's like I have to shove my point of view in everyone's face.  I can't let them be right, no matter what.  I can't let them be “strong” by having the last word.

    Well, no more.  I'm done.

    I've heard that song a thousand times before, and many times at work the music just drones in the background.  But today, those words jumped out at me, and my thoughts went immediately to the way I behave on HN.  And then, just as I was telling myself enough is enough, I came across the posts from you and journey.  Maybe I'm just reading into simple coincidences, but it seems to me like God is trying to tell me something through others – or at the very least confirm what I was already thinking about.

    Anyway, I thank journey for her first post that got me thinking in the first place, and I thank you both for your comments.  Mostly, I thank God for all the wonderful things I have going for me in my life.  And with His help and support, you guys will be seeing a very different mikeboll64 around here from now on.

    peace,
    mike


    Mike,

    Praise Yahweh for that! How did it feel to get a taste of your own medicine? Left a proverbial bad taste in your mouth, did it not?  :;):

    Frank
    You cannot enter the kingdom of God unless you have love.  It will all be for nothing otherwise.  Hear Jesus's words.  They were mean't for you too.
    We are not supposed to use the scriptures to mock people, but edify them.
    Take care.

    John 13:35   By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


    journey42,

    Where have you ever heard me say in this forum that I have ever hated anyone here? What it is that I hate is a lie as Scripture instructs me to do. One can not enter Yahweh's Kingdom by teaching doctrines of demons either. One is not supposed to use Father Yahweh's inspired prophetic word (Scripture) by twisting it to promote the lie that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being (as “God”, “a god”, or “an angel”) that was with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning. This is most certainly not edifying people in the truth of Father Yahweh's word!

    Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

    “Jesus IS God!”?


    Frank4yahweh.

    Please concentrate:
    The word was FROM EVERLASTING.
    This same word was made flesh at birth,but he is still from everlasting.The changing into flesh has a beginning,the changing happened at birth. But he is still from everlasting for he is still the word of God.

    He is the bread that came down from heaven.He was with God in heaven from everlasting.
    Can you see what I am trying to say to you?

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    PLEASE WAKE UP! Father Yahweh's word is not a separate being apart from Himself! Can you not SEE (PERCEIVE, UNDERSTAND) what I am trying to say to you? ???

    Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

    “Jesus IS God!”?

    #303562
    kerwin
    Participant

    Frank;

    It is written:

    Luke 1:31
    King James Version (KJV)

    31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

    If the angel had spoken English then Miriam? would have heard  “And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name TheLordIsSalvation”.  

    I am not even sure Mary is a Hebrew name; while it is written that Joseph took her and Jesus down to Egypt; where the city of Alexandria was the home of many Hellenized Jews; who had forgotten their native tongue.  She may also have had a Roman name as a citizen of said empire.  

    I believe the name means “wished for child” as the inheritance to David's throne comes through her.  Mary on the other hand is said to be a Latin name; though it may appear in other languages as well.

    #303578
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,12:29)
    Hi WU,
    The Son of Mary was born.
    He was reborn of the Spirit at the Jordan


    Nick.

    Jesus was not reborn at the jordan.
    He is the word of God,he was without sin.
    he was just following the law to be babtised like his brethren.

    He died with all the sins of the world,and then reborn at the resurrection,for he was a righteous man following his fathers will to death.
    so will we also if we follow the Father.

    wakeup.

    #303580
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Indeed the man Jesus was found sinless at the Jordan and fit for infilling by the Spirit-by obedience to the Law

    #303600
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ June 21 2012,18:48)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2012,02:12)

    Quote (Devolution @ June 21 2012,00:45)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2012,09:27)

    Quote (journey42 @ June 15 2012,08:41)
    If we correct one, we do it in love, not with conceit or harsh words.  We don't want to knock our brothers over, but build them up. Nor do we stalk them. If we have tried to explain and there is no positive outcome, then arguing back and forth does not profit.  It looks silly and childish, and does not benefit anyone.  So there is a spirit of truth out there, and Christ will use, whosoever he chooses to help nudge the lost away from false teachings. Modern day apostles, who have no church, or books to protect, just the truth and a hunger to share this wonderful kingdom thats coming with others.  

    I do not see much brotherly love here, and this lack of love and pride is what is blocking most from receiving the holy spirit.  It's as simple as that.  Pray everyone for your pride to be taken away.  Really pray, because you will not enter the kingdom of heaven until you get this poison out of you, and I will be on guard for my own soul too.


    I recognize myself as being described by your words, journey.  It stings, but I humbly accept your rebuke and will pray for myself as instructed.


    I like your humility Mike…
    I too need to examine myself because sometimes the spirit of love gets pushed aside by the spirit of frustration, and from there anger/pride etc sometimes swells up in me causing me to say the wrong things, and later when i reflect on my words….regret stings me!

    Thanks J42, we all need remember how important love is!

    Cheers.


    Hi Georgie and Devolution,

    I hope you are both referring to (this thread here).

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed

    If you feel that I have not shown love to you, I apologise.
    I have not run away, but I gave you explanations, and then you  demanded I answer what I already explained.  I have even learn't something more from Devo's post than what I knew.
    So if we go back and forth over the same things over and over, then will not the others think we are mad?  There are about 5 witnesses so far testifying that  they do not recognise the truth in your words on that particular subject.  You are so sure you are right, and cannot be moved.  You have made snarly little comments here and there to push my buttons, but I refuse to let you, so I go away for a while.  Not because I can't answer, because I want you to cool down.  Get rid of this pride Ed.  Empty out everything you have been taught, and start again.  I say this for your own salvation and for the sake of the truth, because you write books and will be accountable for distorting the truth.  Your soul is so precious, don't loose it for the sake of pride.  Admit sometimes when you are wrong.  Don't just ignore it.  You have been corrected many times, and just disappear with no acknowledgement or come back and then start saying the bible is worded wrong.   You are a grown man, not a child.  Agree to disagree once in a while.  Don't jam it down our throats what you believe, because we all have our own walk with the Lord, and we have brains, and we can study and discern if something doesn't fit into the doctrine we learned straight from the holy book.  So be fair ok.  Don't mock me and then end it with God bless.  It feels twisted.  I speak the truth to you.  I want to see you grow Ed, not stumble.


    Hi Georgie,

    Stating you ran away was not a snarly little comment but a fact and truth. Just because
    you said all you could say on the subject, does not mean this was the case with me as well.

    I have posted even more facts pointing my towards conclusion being the correct interpretation.
    I'm waiting for you to consider this additional information of our closer look into fulfilled prophecy.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #303602
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,19:29)
    Hi WU,
    The Son of Mary was born.
    He was reborn of the Spirit at the Jordan


    :D :D :D

    #303607
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,13:42)
    Hi WU,
    Indeed the man Jesus was found sinless at the Jordan and fit for infilling by the Spirit-by obedience to the Law


    so before at the jordan, he is not sinless?

    is that what you mean?

    #303624
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    Children are covered by the parent's faith and from the time he was old enough to be about his Father's business he never sinned.
    His Father's written word guided him and he was perfected.
    He proved the Law was effective.

    #303672
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nick, Ed, and All,

    How many dwelled on earth, among mankind, with the glory of God's only begotten Son?

    I count only one: Jesus.

    Were there others?

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