JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

I didn't ask you if God had a God of his own, nor did you ask me that either?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2012,09:37)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 15 2012,13:40) I found a great printable tract at: DID JESUS THINK HE WAS GOD? It is indeed a well put together, scripturally supported tract.

Mike,

I am shocked to hear you say that!

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Spirit is of God and manifests God fully in creation.
Why would you have God submit to your 'intelligence'?

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2012,14:56)

Hi 94, I do not think that is the scriptural meaning of MORPHE. Take you eyes off the man and focus on the work of the Spirit in him.

Hi Nick:

And so, what is the scriptual meaning of Morphe, according to you?

The man had to be born into this world in order for that which was accomplished by God through him to happen, and the scripture states that in this last day God has spoken to us through His Son.

And, John 3:16 states: “For God so loved the world that he gave His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

I am teachable but you are going to have to show me by the scriptures.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

The question was:  Does the “God OF God” dwell within you?

You said “YES”.  I said “NO” because my God doesn't have a God of His own, and so for me, there exists no “God OF God”.

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 16 2012,11:35)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2012,09:37) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 15 2012,13:40) I found a great printable tract at: DID JESUS THINK HE WAS GOD? It is indeed a well put together, scripturally supported tract. Mike, I am shocked to hear you say that!

Mike,

If you found that tract well put together and Scripturally supported, maybe you would like to participate in commenting on their blog forum at:

Did Jesus Pre-exist?

Oh, if only this forum were like the one linked above it would be a blessing!

[terraricca]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 16 2012,19:19)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 16 2012,11:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2012,09:37) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 15 2012,13:40) I found a great printable tract at: DID JESUS THINK HE WAS GOD? It is indeed a well put together, scripturally supported tract. Mike, I am shocked to hear you say that! Mike, If you found that tract well put together and Scripturally supported, maybe you would like to participate in commenting on their blog forum at: Did Jesus Pre-exist? Oh, if only this forum were like the one linked above it would be a blessing!

F

I went there and read their comment s on did Jesus preexisted,

nice comments but left out most of the scriptures we are treating in this forum,

you can feel that they walk you trough by the hand ,religion practice ,(ignore all scriptures who does not support your views or are to difficult to answer and so may cancel out your view)

[NickHassan]

Quote (942767 @ June 16 2012,12:01)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2012,14:56) Hi 94, I do not think that is the scriptural meaning of MORPHE. Take you eyes off the man and focus on the work of the Spirit in him. Hi Nick: And so, what is the scriptual meaning of Morphe, according to you? The man had to be born into this world in order for that which was accomplished by God through him to happen, and the scripture states that in this last day God has spoken to us through His Son. And, John 3:16 states: “For God so loved the world that he gave His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” I am teachable but you are going to have to show me by the scriptures. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi 94,
Number 3444
Transliteration:
morphe {mor-fay'}
Word Origin:
perhaps from the base of 3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)
TDNT:
4:742,607
Part of Speech:
noun feminine
Usage in the KJV:
form 3

Total: 3
Definition:
the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
external appearance

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2012,18:40)

Hi MB, The Spirit is of God and manifests God fully in creation.

Yes Nick,

The Spirit is OF the Father, and therefore NOT the Father Himself.

So when Ed quotes, “the Spirit OF Him who raised Jesus”, there are two things addressed.  One of those things is God, and the other is a possession OF God.

The passage does not speak of TWO Gods, right? The passage does not teach of the God OF God who raised Jesus, does it?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The finger of God.[lk11]

[mikeboll64]

What about it?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Acts 5.
To oppose the Spirit of God is to oppose God.

[mikeboll64]

Yes Nick.

If you lie to my ear, you lie to me.  Yet my ear is not “me”, but instead a possession OF “me”.  That is why it is called “the Holy Spirit OF God”, Nick.  That word “OF” signifies that it is a possession OF God, and not God Himself.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,02:17)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2012,18:40) Hi MB, The Spirit is of God and manifests God fully in creation. Yes Nick, The Spirit is OF the Father, and therefore NOT the Father Himself. So when Ed quotes, “the Spirit OF Him who raised Jesus”, there are two things addressed.  One of those things is God, and the other is a possession OF God. The passage does not speak of TWO Gods, right?  The passage does not teach of the God OF God who raised Jesus, does it?

Hi Mike,

“God the Father, who raised him from the dead” (Gal 1:1)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Right Ed. The verse you posted speaks of God the Father, who raised Jesus from the dead…………….AND………………..His Spirit.

See the word “AND”? It signifies that TWO things are being spoken of. Only ONE of those TWO things is “God”.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Where is the Spirit called a POSSESSION of God?
Logic rules over truth?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,09:07)

Hi Mike, “God the Father, who raised him from the dead” (Gal 1:1) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

“If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your
mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Rom.8:11)

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,09:26)

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,09:07) Hi Mike, “God the Father, who raised him from the dead” (Gal 1:1) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Rom.8:11)

“God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24)

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,16:26)

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,09:07) Hi Mike, “God the Father, who raised him from the dead” (Gal 1:1) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Rom.8:11)

edj

what the spirit of God as to do to rise Christ from the dead ?

Ro 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
Ro 8:10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Ro 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

so what his that spirit ,in those verses

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2012,16:15)

Hi MB, Where is the Spirit called a POSSESSION of God? Logic rules over truth?

World English Dictionary

of  (ɒv, ( unstressed ) əv)

2.  used to indicate possession:  the house of my sister

And unless you can show me where my LOGICAL understandings of scripture are NOT TRUTH, then your snide comment is without merit.  Isn't it possible that the LOGICAL solution IS the TRUTHFUL one?

Why do you always imagine that logic and truth are antitheses ?  

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