JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2012,20:24)

Mike; It is the Word that Jehovah declare has “gone out of my mouth” so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.

Kerwin,

My question was: What or who was “the Word”?

Telling me “the Word” was “the Word” is not helping. Was it a spirit of God? Was it God Himself? Was it a literal word that God spoke?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ June 02 2012,08:52)

kerwin, boy i dont believe in your opinion i believe what the bible says. Christ is LORD and GOD! john 20.28 thomas said to jesus, my LORD and my GOD!

Jammin;

It is clear you do not believe what Scripture states or you would know my opinion uses the words of Scripture; and the ideas of expressed therein.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2012,20:11)

JEHOVAH is The Savior; Jesus is called our savior, sitting at God's right hand

So Jesus isn't really our savior, Ed? Hmmm………… The apostles seemed to think he was.

How about the ones Nehemiah called “saviors”? Was Nehemiah lying?

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2012,13:55)

Quote (jammin @ June 02 2012,08:52) kerwin, boy i dont believe in your opinion i believe what the bible says. Christ is LORD and GOD! john 20.28 thomas said to jesus, my LORD and my GOD! Jammin; It is clear you do not believe what Scripture states or you would know my opinion uses the words of Scripture; and the ideas of expressed therein.

what did thomas say in john 20.28

is he LORD and GOD? yes or no?

the question is categorical

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2012,08:55)

Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2012,20:24) Mike; It is the Word that Jehovah declare has “gone out of my mouth” so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow. Kerwin, My question was:  What or who was “the Word”? Telling me “the Word” was “the Word” is not helping.  Was it a spirit of God?  Was it God Himself?  Was it a literal word that God spoke?

Mike;

I believe the Word that has gone out of God's mouth and been made flesh by being united with the human Jesus; is literally God's spoken Word.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2012,13:57)

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2012,20:11) JEHOVAH is The Savior; Jesus is called our savior, sitting at God's right hand So Jesus isn't really our savior, Ed?  Hmmm…………  The apostles seemed to think he was.   How about the ones Nehemiah called “saviors”?  Was Nehemiah lying?

Hi Mike,

By proxy; hasn't this become abundantly clear to you by now?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ June 02 2012,08:58)

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2012,13:55) Quote (jammin @ June 02 2012,08:52) kerwin, boy i dont believe in your opinion i believe what the bible says. Christ is LORD and GOD! john 20.28 thomas said to jesus, my LORD and my GOD! Jammin; It is clear you do not believe what Scripture states or you would know my opinion uses the words of Scripture; and the ideas of expressed therein. what did thomas say in john 20.28 is he LORD and GOD? yes or no? the question is categorical

Jammin,

Thomas did say my Lord and my God and elsewhere we are told there are  many Lords and Gods.  We know Jesus teaches us he has both a Lord and a God; who is Jehovah; the one that we acknowledge is the true God.

Jehovah has no God or Lord; while Jesus does.

Note:added back a word I had dropped.

[jammin]

thanks for the answer kerwin

now, christ has the form or nature of God

you said there are many lords and gods. yes the bible says that but they are not like christ.

christ has the same nature as GoD

do these people have the nature of God? yes or no?

if yes, give me the verse that says that they have the form or nature of God

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2012,22:36)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2012,13:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2012,20:11) JEHOVAH is The Savior; Jesus is called our savior, sitting at God's right hand So Jesus isn't really our savior, Ed?  Hmmm…………  The apostles seemed to think he was.   How about the ones Nehemiah called “saviors”?  Was Nehemiah lying? Hi Mike, By proxy; hasn't this become abundantly clear to you by now? God bless Ed J

Ah, so then Jesus IS truly a savior who is NOT Jehovah, right?

Hmmm…………. How is it that Jehovah said there was no savior but Him?

It seems to me that if you want to take “one God” completely literally, then you should also take “one savior” and “one lord” completely literally.

But you understand that there have been many saviors and many lords, and therefore understand the words “one savior” and “one lord” in a certain way – as emphatic statements. Why then does that correct logic fly out the window when it comes to “one God” – especially when there are many scriptures that describe the many other gods in existence?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2012,21:01)

Mike; I believe the Word that has gone out of God's mouth and been made flesh by being united with the human Jesus; is literally God's spoken Word.

And did this Word actually BECOME the flesh being Jesus of Nazareth? Or did it come to dwell IN the flesh being Jesus Nazareth?

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2012,19:13)

Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2012,21:01) Mike; I believe the Word that has gone out of God's mouth and been made flesh by being united with the human Jesus; is literally God's spoken Word. And did this Word actually BECOME the flesh being Jesus of Nazareth?  Or did it come to dwell IN the flesh being Jesus Nazareth?

Mike;

The Word came into being flesh. The how it transitioned from the God's spoken word to God's spoken word incarnate is not spoken of in John 1:14. It is spoken of elsewhere as an accomplished act.

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ June 02 2012,18:53)

thanks for the  answer kerwin now, christ has the form or nature of God you said there are many lords and gods. yes the bible says that but they are not like christ. christ has the same nature as GoD do these people have the  nature of God? yes or no? if yes, give me the verse that says that they have the form or nature of God

Jammin;

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Main Entry: image  [im-ij] Show IPA Part of Speech: noun Definition: representation; counterpart Synonyms: angel*, appearance, carbon copy, carbon, carved figure, chip off old block, copy, dead ringer, double, drawing, effigy, equal, equivalent, facsimile, figure, form, icon, idol, illustration, likeness, match, model, photocopy, photograph, picture, portrait, reflection, replica, reproduction, similitude, simulacre, simulacrum, spitting image, statue

I am pointing out that both image and reflection mean the same thing as form in certain contexts.

The new man is created in the form of God's righteousness and holiness and faithful believers grow up into the form of Christ.

My source.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
“God is at work in you to will and to do”Phil

The same applied to the one we follow.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2012,11:12)

Mike; The Word came into being flesh………..

“came into being flesh”? I don't know what that means, Kerwin.

It seems to me that the Word either BECAME a flesh being, or it came to be IN an already flesh being. Your understanding requires the latter, while scripture teaches the former.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Where is this taught??

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 03 2012,00:09)

Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2012,22:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2012,13:57) Quote (Ed J @ June 01 2012,20:11) JEHOVAH is The Savior; Jesus is called our savior, sitting at God's right hand So Jesus isn't really our savior, Ed?  Hmmm…………  The apostles seemed to think he was.   How about the ones Nehemiah called “saviors”?  Was Nehemiah lying? Hi Mike, By proxy; hasn't this become abundantly clear to you by now? God bless Ed J Ah, so then Jesus IS truly a savior who is NOT Jehovah, right? Hmmm………….  How is it that Jehovah said there was no savior but Him? It seems to me that if you want to take “one God” completely literally, then you should also take “one savior” and “one lord” completely literally.   But you understand that there have been many saviors and many lords, and therefore understand the words “one savior” and “one lord” in a certain way – as emphatic statements.  Why then does that correct logic fly out the window when it comes to “one God” – especially when there are many scriptures that describe the many other gods in existence?

Hi Mike,

          The Savior  =  God The Father

I have explained to you this truth many times now,
you can pretend that you didn't understand if you want.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2012,04:24)

Quote (jammin @ June 02 2012,18:53) thanks for the  answer kerwin now, christ has the form or nature of God you said there are many lords and gods. yes the bible says that but they are not like christ. christ has the same nature as GoD do these people have the  nature of God? yes or no? if yes, give me the verse that says that they have the form or nature of God Jammin; Quote Main Entry: image  [im-ij] Show IPA Part of Speech: noun Definition: representation; counterpart Synonyms: angel*, appearance, carbon copy, carbon, carved figure, chip off old block, copy, dead ringer, double, drawing, effigy, equal, equivalent, facsimile, figure, form, icon, idol, illustration, likeness, match, model, photocopy, photograph, picture, portrait, reflection, replica, reproduction, similitude, simulacre, simulacrum, spitting image, statue I am pointing out that both image and reflection mean the same thing as form in certain contexts. The new man is created in the form of God's righteousness and holiness and faithful believers grow up into the form of Christ. My source.

the question is categorical.
pls answer yes or no

and give the verse that they have the form of GOD

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2012,22:45)

Hi Mike, The Savior = God The Father I have explained to you this truth many times now, you can pretend that you didn't understand if you want.

Acts 13:23
“From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.

So God brought “God the Father” to Israel as He promised?

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

Those that have “metamorphosed” into the New Man,
do have the divine nature of God. (see 2Peter 1:4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 04 2012,00:43)

Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2012,22:45) Hi Mike,           The Savior  =  God The Father I have explained to you this truth many times now, you can pretend that you didn't understand if you want. Acts 13:23 “From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised. So God brought “God the Father” to Israel as He promised?

Hi Mike,

Jesus, by proxy, is our savior.
We are saved by God's HolySpirit. (Rom.8:11)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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