JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,18:08)

mike, read the context of 1 jhn 2.20 the Holy one has given us a gift of understanding so that we all may know what is true

But many mss, and the 20 translations I posted for you, say “know ALL THINGS”. What do you make of that? Does “ALL THINGS” literally mean “ALL THINGS”?

[jammin]

that does not mean that they are God\. God is all knowing. that is one of the attributes of God.

ead the context of 1 jhn 2.20
the Holy one has given us a gift of understanding so that we all may know what is true

[mikeboll64]

jammin,

Which scripture is a lie – the one that says Jesus knows all things? Or the one where Jesus himself says that he doesn't know the day and hour?

Or could it be that you are misunderstanding “all things” purposely, since you know full well that David didn't LITERALLY know all things in the land, nor did those who recieved the Spirit LITERALLY know “all things” in 1 John 2:20?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 21 2012,19:17)

that does not mean that they are God\. God is all knowing. that is one of the attributes of God. ead the context of 1 jhn 2.20 the Holy one has given us a gift of understanding so that we all may know what is true

Certain things that are true? Or ALL THINGS that are true?

[NickHassan]

Hi Jammin,
You say
“study greek nick and you will know the answer “
MONOGENES is not SON in greek is it?

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ May 22 2012,06:04)

mike, i have answered that question about 2 sam nick, you cant understand that bec you do not know greek kerwin, peter said Christ knows all things and not knows all things that are in the earth there is a huge difference between the two. read well your bible

Jammin;

The difference is that David is the firstborn of Earth; while Jesus is the firstborn of both the Heavens and Earth.

Psalm 89
King James Version (KJV)

20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2012,12:19)

jammin, Which scripture is a lie – the one that says Jesus knows all things?  Or the one where Jesus himself says that he doesn't know the day and hour? Or could it be that you are misunderstanding “all things” purposely, since you know full well that David didn't LITERALLY know all things in the land, nor did those who recieved the Spirit LITERALLY know “all things” in 1 John 2:20?

both are true.
Christ has human nature
Christ is also God by nature.

as man, he does not know the hour of his coming.

nick,

son is huios (γιός) in greek,

monogenes is only son

kerwin,
read well your bible.
your answer is very far from the truth.

[kerwin]

Jammin;

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kerwin, read well your bible. your answer is very far from the truth.

God teaches me that David is the firstborn of the earth and that his Lord Jesus Christ is firstborn of all things in heaven and Earth but that Jehovah is the Lord’s and God of each of them; just as it is written:

Psalm 110:1
King James Version (KJV)

110 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Do you believe that David; as firstborn of the earth; knew all things of the earth even as Jesus as firstborn of both the heavens and the earth; knows all things of the heaven and the earth?

Do you believe that Jehovah is the Lord both Jesus and David as testified by Psalms 110:1?

I choose to believe both of these things are true.

Monogenes means one child; of either gender; and speaks to the fact that all others, even the angels that have never sinned; are adopted through him; as Jehovah chose it to be that way.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
So MONOGENES means CHILD or SON?

3439
From 3441 and 1096
only begotten-only [3] only begotten[6]

Where is CHILD or SON?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2012,06:18)

Hi KW, So MONOGENES means CHILD or SON? 3439 From 3441 and 1096 only begotten-only [3] only begotten[6] Where is CHILD or SON?

Hi Nick,

MONOGENES means “only begotten”,
gender is not included in this word!

MONO:  means one or only and
GENES:  means offspring or progeny
Jammin needs to study 'his Greek' a bit more.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2012,01:18)

Hi KW, So MONOGENES means CHILD or SON? 3439 From 3441 and 1096 only begotten-only [3] only begotten[6] Where is CHILD or SON?

Nick;

Does only offspring mean only child?

I was pointing out that translating it to only begotten son leaves the possibility of begotten daughter(s).

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2012,17:47)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2012,01:18) Hi KW, So MONOGENES means CHILD or SON? 3439 From 3441 and 1096 only begotten-only [3] only begotten[6] Where is CHILD or SON? Nick; Does only offspring mean only child? I was pointing out that translating it to only begotten son leaves the possibility of begotten daughter(s).

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leaves the possibility of begotten daughter(s).

you really do not know scriptures

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ May 23 2012,06:05)

Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2012,17:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2012,01:18) Hi KW, So MONOGENES means CHILD or SON? 3439 From 3441 and 1096 only begotten-only [3] only begotten[6] Where is CHILD or SON? Nick; Does only offspring mean only child? I was pointing out that translating it to only begotten son leaves the possibility of begotten daughter(s). Quote leaves the possibility of begotten daughter(s).     you really do not know scriptures

Pierre,

I was talking about language use. For example, George was the only begotten son of Sam and Elizabeth; but he had seven sisters.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 22 2012,05:59)

both are true. Christ has human nature Christ is also God by nature. as man, he does not know the hour of his coming.

And wasn't he a man when Peter said he knows “all things”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ May 22 2012,15:24)

MONO: means one or only and GENES: means offspring or progeny

Close, Ed.

The first part is correct, but “genes” is from the word “ginomai”, which means “generated”, or “made”, etc.

“Monogenes” literally means “only generated”.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2012,11:30)

Quote (Ed J @ May 22 2012,15:24) MONO:  means one or only and GENES:  means offspring or progeny Close, Ed.   The first part is correct, but “genes” is from the word “ginomai”, which means “generated”, or “made”, etc. “Monogenes” literally means “only generated”.

Hi Mike, your words are misleading, and therefore 'inaccurate'!
  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess 5:21)

G3439
μονογενής monogenés: From G3441 and G1096

G3441 μόνος monos: one, sole, single, alone, only, by themselves.

G1096 γίνομαι ginomai: to come into being, to happen, to emerge, to be born, to become.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Here is yet another example where the terms MUST BE clearly understood!
Facts are facts, and (as said before) I WILL NOT argue over misconceptions!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ May 22 2012,19:41)

Hi Mike, your words are misleading, and therefore 'inaccurate'!   G1096 γίνομαι ginomai: to come into being, to happen, to emerge, to be born, to become.

Hmmmm………….

So “to be generated” isn't synonymous with your list?  

Here is the first and fourth definitions of “generate”, from Dictionary.com……….
gen·er·ate
verb (used with object)

1.
to bring into existence; cause to be; produce.

4.
to reproduce; procreate.

It seems to me that you've now posted the accurate definition of “genes” (unlike before), and your new accurate definition aligns perfectly with the one I gave in the first place.  Yet you say that mine is “misleading” and “inaccurate”?  

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Generated means manufactured.
Look at it like God not being a person.
“GOD” is “an entity” rather than 'a person'.
Persons are not manufactured, they are born.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2012,11:26)

Quote (jammin @ May 22 2012,05:59) both are true. Christ has human nature Christ is also God by nature. as man, he does not know the hour of his coming. And wasn't he a man when Peter said he knows “all things”?

Christ became flesh. GOD manifested in the flesh. not the father but the son
he is God by nature.

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