JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[jammin]

nick,

not another god.
but GOD by nature.
there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD

example, you and your father are two persons..but you have only one nature and that is the nature of MAN.

you are man by nature.
your father is man by nature

Christ is God by nature.
his father is also God by nature.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:10)

Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,23:20) edj, read my post. christ is God the only son monogenes theos in greek boy he is the word in john 1.1 study hard LOL Hi Jammin, We all know that “Christ” is: “GOD's only begotten Son”, and also know that is not what John is saying in John 1:1! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD
i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek)

18 Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν είς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,09:48)

i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek)

I believe these things as well, jammin.  The parts that I didn't strike through are scriptural, and therefore the truth.  The part I did strike through is not of any scripture, but of man's tradition.  Lose the part that is not of any scripture, and the rest of what you wrote is the truth according to God's written word.

But remember that God Almighty was never begotten by anyone or anything. If the Son was begotten, then he cannot be the unbegotten God Most High.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:11)

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,09:48) i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek) I believe these things as well, jammin.  The parts that I didn't strike through are scriptural, and therefore the truth.  The part I did strike through is not of any scripture, but of man's tradition.  Lose the part that is not of any scripture, and the rest of what you wrote is the truth according to God's written word. But remember that God Almighty was never begotten by anyone or anything.  If the Son was begotten, then he cannot be the unbegotten God Most High.

God the only son means the only begotten God.

that's what the bible says

John 1:18

New Century Version (NCV)
18 No one has ever seen God. But God the only Son is very close to the Father,[a] and he has shown us what God is like.

if the bible says that Christ is the only begotten GOD, it does not mean that he is not all powerful. bec being GOD by nature means you are all powerful! that is one of the attributes of GOD!

Christ is all powerful

Revelation 1:8

New Century Version (NCV)

8 The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.[a] I am the One who is and was and is coming. I am the Almighty.”

Revelation 1:8

(WE)

8 The Lord God says, `I am the First and the Last. I am the beginning and the ending. I live now. I always have lived, andI will come again.I have all power.'

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

I am Alpha and Omega,…. These are the words of Christ himself, appearing at once, and confirming what John had said of him, concerning his person, offices, and future coming…

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:44)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,06:03) Hi Jammin, God the son? Another god? the bible says that. God the only son or the only begotten GOD! verse 18 monogenes theos john 1 18   Θεὸν  οὐδεὶς  ἑώρακεν  πώποτε· μονογενὴς  θεὸς  ὁ  ὢν  είς  τὸν  κόλπον  τοῦ  πατρὸς  ἐκεῖνος  ἐξηγήσατο.   and that only begotten GOD is the WORD (ho logos) in john 1.1 John 1:14 New International Version (NIV) 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 14   Καὶ  ὁ  λόγος  σὰρξ  ἐγένετο  καὶ  ἐσκήνωσεν  ἐν  ἡμῖν,  καὶ  ἐθεασάμεθα  τὴν  δόξαν  αὐτοῦ,  δόξαν  ὡς  μονογενοῦς  παρὰ  πατρός,  πλήρης  χάριτος  καὶ  ἀληθείας.

THERE'S NO begotten god, SORRY.
Why are you posting corrupted text?
that's NOT what God's word in Greek says!

John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε  ο μονογενης υιος  ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο

                                                               the only begotten Son

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:46)

nick, not another god. but GOD by nature. there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD example, you and your father are two persons..but you have only one nature and that is the nature of MAN. you are man by nature. your father is man by nature Christ is God by nature. his father is also God by nature.

Hi Jammin,

Person denotes “Human”, who are these three humans?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:48)

Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:10) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,23:20) edj, read my post. christ is God the only son monogenes theos in greek boy he is the word in john 1.1 study hard LOL Hi Jammin, We all know that “Christ” is: “GOD's only begotten Son”, and also know that is not what John is saying in John 1:1! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek) 18   Θεὸν  οὐδεὶς  ἑώρακεν  πώποτε·  μονογενὴς  θεὸς  ὁ  ὢν  είς  τὸν  κόλπον  τοῦ  πατρὸς  ἐκεῖνος  ἐξηγήσατο.

THERE'S NO begotten god, SORRY.
Why are you posting corrupted text?
that's NOT what God's word in Greek says!

John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε ο μονογενης υιος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο

the only begotten Son

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,03:11)

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,09:48) i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek) I believe these things as well, jammin.  The parts that I didn't strike through are scriptural, and therefore the truth.

Hi Mike,

There's no begotten god. (see my post to Jammin)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:40)

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:46) nick, not another god. but GOD by nature. there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD example, you and your father are two persons..but you have only one nature and that is the nature of MAN. you are man by nature. your father is man by nature Christ is God by nature. his father is also God by nature. Hi Jammin, Person denotes “Human”, who are these three humans? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i think you must study first the different meanings of person LOL

study hard boy LOL

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:52)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:40) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:46) nick, not another god. but GOD by nature. there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD example, you and your father are two persons..but you have only one nature and that is the nature of MAN. you are man by nature. your father is man by nature Christ is God by nature. his father is also God by nature. Hi Jammin, Person denotes “Human”, who are these three humans? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i think you must study first the different meanings of person LOL study hard boy LOL

Person: A human being regarded as an individual.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:42)

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:10) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,23:20) edj, read my post. christ is God the only son monogenes theos in greek boy he is the word in john 1.1 study hard LOL Hi Jammin, We all know that “Christ” is: “GOD's only begotten Son”, and also know that is not what John is saying in John 1:1! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek) 18   Θεὸν  οὐδεὶς  ἑώρακεν  πώποτε·  μονογενὴς  θεὸς  ὁ  ὢν  είς  τὸν  κόλπον  τοῦ  πατρὸς  ἐκεῖνος  ἐξηγήσατο. THERE'S NO begotten god, SORRY. Why are you posting corrupted text? that's NOT what God's word in Greek says! John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε  ο μονογενης υιος  ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο                                                                the only begotten Son God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

LOL

i believe the begotten son text. monogenes huios.
but the greek also says monogenes theos! begotten GOD or God the only son!

18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο.

study hard boy LOL

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:54)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:42) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:10) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,23:20) edj, read my post. christ is God the only son monogenes theos in greek boy he is the word in john 1.1 study hard LOL Hi Jammin, We all know that “Christ” is: “GOD's only begotten Son”, and also know that is not what John is saying in John 1:1! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek) 18   Θεὸν  οὐδεὶς  ἑώρακεν  πώποτε·  μονογενὴς  θεὸς  ὁ  ὢν  είς  τὸν  κόλπον  τοῦ  πατρὸς  ἐκεῖνος  ἐξηγήσατο. THERE'S NO begotten god, SORRY. Why are you posting corrupted text? that's NOT what God's word in Greek says! John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε  ο μονογενης υιος  ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο                                                                the only begotten Son God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org LOL i believe the begotten son text. monogenes huios. but the greek also says monogenes theos! begotten GOD or God the only son! 18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο. study hard boy LOL

Hi Jammin,

You believe in corruption then, right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:54)

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:52) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:40) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:46) nick, not another god. but GOD by nature. there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD example, you and your father are two persons..but you have only one nature and that is the nature of MAN. you are man by nature. your father is man by nature Christ is God by nature. his father is also God by nature. Hi Jammin, Person denotes “Human”, who are these three humans? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i think you must study first the different meanings of person LOL study hard boy LOL Person: A human being regarded as an individual.

go back to grade school and study hard boy

LOL

do not make people fool edj.
LOL

person also means inherent qualities

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:56)

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:54) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:42) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:10) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,23:20) edj, read my post. christ is God the only son monogenes theos in greek boy he is the word in john 1.1 study hard LOL Hi Jammin, We all know that “Christ” is: “GOD's only begotten Son”, and also know that is not what John is saying in John 1:1! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek) 18   Θεὸν  οὐδεὶς  ἑώρακεν  πώποτε·  μονογενὴς  θεὸς  ὁ  ὢν  είς  τὸν  κόλπον  τοῦ  πατρὸς  ἐκεῖνος  ἐξηγήσατο. THERE'S NO begotten god, SORRY. Why are you posting corrupted text? that's NOT what God's word in Greek says! John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε  ο μονογενης υιος  ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο                                                                the only begotten Son God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org LOL i believe the begotten son text. monogenes huios. but the greek also says monogenes theos! begotten GOD or God the only son! 18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο. study hard boy LOL Hi Jammin, You believe in corruption then, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

corruption to those who do not believe in the word of GOD>

i believe monogenes huios and monogenes theos. they are both correct.
but you, you cant accept the truth.

may God open your mind and heart

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:52)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:40) Hi Jammin, Person denotes “Human”, who are these three humans? God bless Ed J i think you must study first the different meanings of person

Amen to that.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:26)

God the only son means the only begotten God.

No it doesn't. The word “god” refers to any of various beings that are thought to be “mighty”, or “to be revered/feared”.

So “the only begotten mighty one” does not mean the same as “mighty one the only son”.

God was never begotten, jammin. Jesus was.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,10:44)

Hi Mike, There's no begotten god. (see my post to Jammin) God bless Ed J

Ed, there is ample evidence that the original Greek word was “theos”.  There is also evidence that it was “huios” in 1:18.

To me, it doesn't really matter since Jesus IS called a god in other scriptures anyway, and we know he was begotten.  But if you or jammin are interested in John 1:18, here is SOME of the info from NETNotes:

The textual problem μονογενὴς θεός (monogenh” qeo”, “the only God”) versus ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός (Jo monogenh” Juio”, “the only son”) is a notoriously difficult one. Only one letter would have differentiated the readings in the mss, since both words would have been contracted as nomina sacra: thus qMs or uMs. Externally, there are several variants, but they can be grouped essentially by whether they read θεός or υἱός. The majority of mss, especially the later ones (A C3 Θ Ψ Ë1,13 Ï lat), read ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός. Ì75 א1 33 pc have ὁ μονογενὴς θεός, while the anarthrous μονογενὴς θεός is found in Ì66 א* B C* L pc. The articular θεός is almost certainly a scribal emendation to the anarthrous θεός, for θεός without the article is a much harder reading. The external evidence thus strongly supports μονογενὴς θεός. Internally, although υἱός fits the immediate context more readily, θεός is much more difficult. As well, θεός also explains the origin of the other reading (υἱός), because it is difficult to see why a scribe who found υἱός in the text he was copying would alter it to θεός. Scribes would naturally change the wording to υἱός however, since μονογενὴς υἱός is a uniquely Johannine christological title (cf. John 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9). But θεός as the older and more difficult reading is preferred.

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:59)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:54) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:52) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:40) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:46) nick, not another god. but GOD by nature. there are 3 persons but one in nature, GOD example, you and your father are two persons..but you have only one nature and that is the nature of MAN. you are man by nature. your father is man by nature Christ is God by nature. his father is also God by nature. Hi Jammin, Person denotes “Human”, who are these three humans? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i think you must study first the different meanings of person LOL study hard boy LOL Person: A human being regarded as an individual. go back to grade school and study hard boy LOL do not make people fool edj. LOL person also means inherent qualities

Hi Jammin,

Personality is a different word.

Personality: The combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,04:01)

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:56) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,03:54) Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,03:42) Quote (jammin @ May 14 2012,02:48) Quote (Ed J @ May 13 2012,20:10) Quote (jammin @ May 12 2012,23:20) edj, read my post. christ is God the only son monogenes theos in greek boy he is the word in john 1.1 study hard LOL Hi Jammin, We all know that “Christ” is: “GOD's only begotten Son”, and also know that is not what John is saying in John 1:1! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org i believe that Christ is the only begotten son of GOD i also believe that he is God the only son or the only begotten GOD! (monogenes theos in greek) 18   Θεὸν  οὐδεὶς  ἑώρακεν  πώποτε·  μονογενὴς  θεὸς  ὁ  ὢν  είς  τὸν  κόλπον  τοῦ  πατρὸς  ἐκεῖνος  ἐξηγήσατο. THERE'S NO begotten god, SORRY. Why are you posting corrupted text? that's NOT what God's word in Greek says! John 1:18 θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε  ο μονογενης υιος  ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο                                                                the only begotten Son God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org LOL i believe the begotten son text. monogenes huios. but the greek also says monogenes theos! begotten GOD or God the only son! 18 θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο. study hard boy LOL Hi Jammin, You believe in corruption then, right? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org corruption to those who do not believe in the word of GOD> i believe monogenes huios and monogenes theos. they are both correct. but you, you cant accept the truth. may God open your mind and heart

Seems you mind is open to any version that comes along.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2012,04:12)

Quote (jammin @ May 13 2012,10:26) God the only son means the only begotten God. No it doesn't.  The word “god” refers to any of various beings that are thought to be “mighty”, or “to be revered/feared”. So “the only begotten mighty one” does not mean the same as “mighty one the only son”. God was never begotten, jammin.  Jesus was.

you need to study greek mike.

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