JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[terraricca]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2012,13:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2012,10:42) Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2012,12:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,07:15) (Note:  It does NOT say, “The Word came to be IN someone who was flesh; NOR does it say, “The Word MERGED WITH someone who was flesh………….) Hi Mike, Jn.1:14     And the word became flesh, and dwelt IN us, The greek word is ev it means in. Period  Amen. Peace. abe John 1:14 Context NET © Now 1  the Word became flesh 2  and took up residence 3  among us. We 4  saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, 5  full of grace and truth, who came from the Father. NIV © The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. NASB © And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. NLT © So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father. MSG © The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, the one-of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, Generous inside and out, true from start to finish. BBE © And so the Word became flesh and took a place among us for a time; and we saw his glory—such glory as is given to an only son by his father—saw it to be true and full of grace. NRSV © And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth. NKJV © And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. KJV And the Word was made (5633) flesh _, and dwelt (5656) among us _, (and we beheld (5662) his glory _, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father ,) full of grace and truth _. NASB © And the Word became flesh , and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory , glory as of the only begotten from the Father , full of grace and truth . GREEK kai CONJo T-NSMlogov N-NSMsarx N-NSFegeneto (5633) V-2ADI-3Skai CONJeskhnwsen (5656) V-AAI-3Sen PREPhmin P-1DPkai CONJeyeasameya (5662) V-ADI-1Pthn T-ASFdoxan are you saying “IN” just to show your confusion or your believe   is it your believe and to you it then true ,please explain how can John make a so big mistake ? taking about Jesus declare him the WORD of God waking on earth please explain Hi Pierre, Strongs #1722-   en (a preposition ) – properly, in  (inside, within );  (figuratively)  ” in the realm (sphere) of ” as in the condition (state)  in which something operates from the inside (within). I didn't write this, but I do understand it. Peace brother.

ABE

so you are posting just to create a confusion ?? right ??

you just trow something and try to impress others ?

is strong 1722 the only word in that verse

if not were are the others, like #4647

wen you understand this let me know

[abe]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2012,11:18)

Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2012,13:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2012,10:42) Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2012,12:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,07:15) (Note:  It does NOT say, “The Word came to be IN someone who was flesh; NOR does it say, “The Word MERGED WITH someone who was flesh………….) Hi Mike, Jn.1:14     And the word became flesh, and dwelt IN us, The greek word is ev it means in. Period  Amen. Peace. abe John 1:14 Context NET © Now 1  the Word became flesh 2  and took up residence 3  among us. We 4  saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, 5  full of grace and truth, who came from the Father. NIV © The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. NASB © And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. NLT © So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father. MSG © The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, the one-of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, Generous inside and out, true from start to finish. BBE © And so the Word became flesh and took a place among us for a time; and we saw his glory—such glory as is given to an only son by his father—saw it to be true and full of grace. NRSV © And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth. NKJV © And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. KJV And the Word was made (5633) flesh _, and dwelt (5656) among us _, (and we beheld (5662) his glory _, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father ,) full of grace and truth _. NASB © And the Word became flesh , and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory , glory as of the only begotten from the Father , full of grace and truth . GREEK kai CONJo T-NSMlogov N-NSMsarx N-NSFegeneto (5633) V-2ADI-3Skai CONJeskhnwsen (5656) V-AAI-3Sen PREPhmin P-1DPkai CONJeyeasameya (5662) V-ADI-1Pthn T-ASFdoxan are you saying “IN” just to show your confusion or your believe   is it your believe and to you it then true ,please explain how can John make a so big mistake ? taking about Jesus declare him the WORD of God waking on earth please explain Hi Pierre, Strongs #1722-   en (a preposition ) – properly, in  (inside, within );  (figuratively)  ” in the realm (sphere) of ” as in the condition (state)  in which something operates from the inside (within). I didn't write this, but I do understand it. Peace brother. ABE so you are posting just to create a confusion ?? right ?? you just trow something and try to impress others ? is strong 1722 the only word in that verse if not were are the others, like #4647 wen you understand this let me know

Hi Pierre,

Strongs #1722 does not mean us or; – us, and we saw.

If you don't understand #1722 Why bother with the rest?

Peace brother.

[terraricca]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2012,13:58)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2012,11:18) Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2012,13:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2012,10:42) Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2012,12:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,07:15) (Note:  It does NOT say, “The Word came to be IN someone who was flesh; NOR does it say, “The Word MERGED WITH someone who was flesh………….) Hi Mike, Jn.1:14     And the word became flesh, and dwelt IN us, The greek word is ev it means in. Period  Amen. Peace. abe John 1:14 Context NET © Now 1  the Word became flesh 2  and took up residence 3  among us. We 4  saw his glory – the glory of the one and only, 5  full of grace and truth, who came from the Father. NIV © The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. NASB © And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. NLT © So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father. MSG © The Word became flesh and blood, and moved into the neighborhood. We saw the glory with our own eyes, the one-of-a-kind glory, like Father, like Son, Generous inside and out, true from start to finish. BBE © And so the Word became flesh and took a place among us for a time; and we saw his glory—such glory as is given to an only son by his father—saw it to be true and full of grace. NRSV © And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth. NKJV © And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. KJV And the Word was made (5633) flesh _, and dwelt (5656) among us _, (and we beheld (5662) his glory _, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father ,) full of grace and truth _. NASB © And the Word became flesh , and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory , glory as of the only begotten from the Father , full of grace and truth . GREEK kai CONJo T-NSMlogov N-NSMsarx N-NSFegeneto (5633) V-2ADI-3Skai CONJeskhnwsen (5656) V-AAI-3Sen PREPhmin P-1DPkai CONJeyeasameya (5662) V-ADI-1Pthn T-ASFdoxan are you saying “IN” just to show your confusion or your believe   is it your believe and to you it then true ,please explain how can John make a so big mistake ? taking about Jesus declare him the WORD of God waking on earth please explain Hi Pierre, Strongs #1722-   en (a preposition ) – properly, in  (inside, within );  (figuratively)  ” in the realm (sphere) of ” as in the condition (state)  in which something operates from the inside (within). I didn't write this, but I do understand it. Peace brother. ABE so you are posting just to create a confusion ?? right ?? you just trow something and try to impress others ? is strong 1722 the only word in that verse if not were are the others, like #4647 wen you understand this let me know Hi Pierre, Strongs #1722 does not mean us or;  –     us, and we saw. If you don't understand #1722   Why bother with the rest? Peace brother.

abe

that's far away from “IN”

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 17 2012,13:12)

Hi Pierre, Strongs #1722- en (a preposition ) – properly, in (inside, within ); (figuratively) ” in the realm (sphere) of “ as in the condition (state) in which something operates from the inside (within). I didn't write this, but I do understand it.

Do you understand that one of the definitions means, “in the general proximity of”?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,13:03)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2012,02:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 16 2012,22:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,14:09) My truth doesn't require my God to have two opposing wills – or a Father of His own. I'll stick with what the scriptures actually teach, instead of believing in an unscriptural “concept” that “came to” Nick Hassan at an advanced age. Hi MB, Where did the will of Jesus the anointed one OPPOSE that of God? John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. Two wills mentioned, Nick.  Jesus DIDN'T come to do ONE of those TWO wills……………. BUT INSTEAD…………… came to do the OTHER of those TWO wills. Shall I post more examples of Jesus's will not being God's will?  Or will this suffice? Hi MB, I guess that is your way of saying there was no opposition.

Hmmmm…………..  

1.  Did Jesus come down from heaven to do HIS OWN will?  YES or NO?

2.  Did Jesus come down from heaven to do the will of He who sent him?  YES or NO?

The answer to #1 is NO, and the answer to #2 is YES.

That adds up to two DIFFERENT wills, only ONE of which was done.

So if the “concept that just came to you one night” is correct, and John 6:38 is not Jesus himself speaking, but of the spirit of Christ (which you say is God), then God has two opposing wills, only one of which was done.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Are you capable of defining God within the boundaries human wisdom offers?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
OPPOSING?
The Spirit of Christ SERVES God.
Just as the finger of God serves God.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2012,16:14)

Hi MB, Are you capable of defining God within the boundaries human wisdom offers?

N

you pulling the mystery card again

[mikeboll64]

Pierre,

I'm kicking myself right now for getting sidetracked.  After my last post to Nick, I was about to make a following post asking how much anyone wanted to bet that Nick's answer would be some flippant remark about trying to understand God with human wisdom!  

My son distracted me, and I forgot to make the follow-up post.  But I was sure right about what I knew he would say.  

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Men cannot grasp what is of God in logical, theological terms.
God's ways are not our ways.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
How long will you defend catholic theology?
Climb over the pathetic human barrier.
Let God teach you from scripture.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,16:15)

Hi MB, OPPOSING? The Spirit of Christ SERVES God.

Follow closely here, Nick:

If God and Jesus had the same exact will, then Jesus could never say he came down from heaven, NOT to do his will, but to do God's.

If their wills were the same, then Jesus DID come down from heaven to do HIS OWN will, which just happened to be the same as God's will.

But the fact that he said he came down, NOT TO DO HIS OWN WILL……………..BUT INSTEAD to do his God's will, shows that they were two differing wills.

[NickHassan]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2012,10:07)

Pierre, I'm kicking myself right now for getting sidetracked.  After my last post to Nick, I was about to make a following post asking how much anyone wanted to bet that Nick's answer would be some flippant remark about trying to understand God with human wisdom!   My son distracted me, and I forgot to make the follow-up post.  But I was sure right about what I knew he would say.

Hi MB,
Is being clever top priority?
How is the wisdom of men regarded?

1Cor2

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Phil 2 explains this.
But JESUS the natural man gets no mention there.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Does a servant have his own will?
What use is a servant who follows his own will?

Only in ludicrous theology does WILL define a being.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,17:09)

Let God teach you from scripture.

How about you point out for me anything I ever say that is against what is written in scripture – okay?

Right now we're trying to figure out which one of us is speaking according to scripture about Phil 2:5. Does the scripture say the spirit of Christ was existing in the form of God? Or does it say Jesus Christ was existing in the form of God?

Let God teach you from scripture, Nick.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 17 2012,17:14)

Hi MB, Does a servant have his own will? What use is a servant who follows his own will?

Following your own will and having one of your own are two different things, Nick.

The servant sent to the front line of the war might will that he be somewhere else, but at the same time follow the will of his commander. Therefore he does the will of another – even though the two wills are opposing.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
The Word was with God and was God.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Was Jesus with God and was he God in the beginning?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
Jesus and the Word become Jesus Christ.
Now Lord Jesus Christ IS the Word.
Now the Lord is the Spirit.

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