JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:38)

PIERRE, There is no we in disagreement. (Am.3:3) YOU are talking about what YOU are talking about. And “I” will continue to talk about what God is talking about! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

so you agree the KJV is just a good translation like NIV and the netbible

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,09:51)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:38) PIERRE, There is no we in disagreement. (Am.3:3) YOU are talking about what YOU are talking about. And “I” will continue to talk about what God is talking about! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj so you agree the KJV is just a good translation like NIV and the netbible

PIERRE,

NO, those newer versions are corrupt, and not worth the paper they were written on. (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:03)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,09:51) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:38) PIERRE, There is no we in disagreement. (Am.3:3) YOU are talking about what YOU are talking about. And “I” will continue to talk about what God is talking about! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj so you agree the KJV is just a good translation like NIV and the netbible PIERRE, NO, those newer versions are corrupt, and not worth the paper they were written on. (Link) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

that is were I disagree with you ,because in your blindness you forgot all other translations in other languages and so establish that the 1611 ad KJV is more accurate than to day good translation other than KJV,this is the arsenic of that idea

you rely to much on the written letter and not on the spirit of God

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2012,00:45)

Hi KW, So the Word self emptied of autonomy and authority being led by God in the vessel of Jesus. God's image as an obedient servant yet ever one with God in the Spirit. God then gave Jesus Christ all authority under Him.

Nick,

I agree with the KJV idea that he emptied himself of reputation by being a servant. A servant that has the form of God and the likeness of mankind but who does not see equality with God something to be grasped.

The Spirit of God is also of the form of God and that form is the Word of God.

[kerwin]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,03:51)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2012,08:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,01:22) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2012,05:31) Pierre, I am sure of what I stated I was sure of but not those things I stated I was not. These words are all one sentence according to your translation. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. According to the underling Greek “attitude should be”, “being”, and part of “equality” are all present tense.  The rest of the verbs are aorists. So what I know is that we are instructed to currently be like minded with Christ who currently has the form of God and currently doesn't consider equality with God something to be grasped.  This tells me he did not empty himself of being in the form of God when he took on the form of a servant and was found in the likeness of mankind. Hi Kerwin, It would help you to understand the verse if the Greek was translated correctly; here is what the verse actually says… Philippians 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Ed J Ed J. It appears translators had difficulties with very basic language concepts. The King James translates the Greek into a longer sentence than Pierre's choice. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. The words “thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” looks hokey though it may have been fine for the time it was translated.    Others disagree on sentence structure of the words and I know too little of the Greek to say which is the correct translation.  I favor the one that is more consistent with what Scripture elsewhere tells me. Hi Kerwin, Which is what exactly? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J.

Jesus called Yahweh his God and therefore did not see equality with God something to be grasped.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,10:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:03) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,09:51) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:38) PIERRE, There is no we in disagreement. (Am.3:3) YOU are talking about what YOU are talking about. And “I” will continue to talk about what God is talking about! Ed J edj so you agree the KJV is just a good translation like NIV and the netbible PIERRE, NO, those newer versions are corrupt, and not worth the paper they were written on. (Link) God bless Ed J edj that is were I disagree with you ,because in your blindness you forgot all other translations in other languages and so establish that the 1611 ad KJV is more accurate than to day good translation other than KJV,this is the arsenic of that idea you rely to much on the written letter and not on the spirit of God

PIERRE,

As I have told you already, I go back to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.
But you can put your faith in man, if that is what you so choose to do; YOUR CHOICE.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:30)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,10:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:03) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,09:51) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:38) PIERRE, There is no we in disagreement. (Am.3:3) YOU are talking about what YOU are talking about. And “I” will continue to talk about what God is talking about! Ed J edj so you agree the KJV is just a good translation like NIV and the netbible PIERRE, NO, those newer versions are corrupt, and not worth the paper they were written on. (Link) God bless Ed J edj that is were I disagree with you ,because in your blindness you forgot all other translations in other languages and so establish that the 1611 ad KJV is more accurate than to day good translation other than KJV,this is the arsenic of that idea you rely to much on the written letter and not on the spirit of God PIERRE, As I have told you already, I go back to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. But you can put your faith in man, if that is what you so choose to do; YOUR CHOICE. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

are you fluent in Hebrew and old Greek

if so well then this is better but i am not

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2012,10:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,03:51) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2012,08:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,01:22) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2012,05:31) Pierre, I am sure of what I stated I was sure of but not those things I stated I was not. These words are all one sentence according to your translation. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. According to the underling Greek “attitude should be”, “being”, and part of “equality” are all present tense.  The rest of the verbs are aorists. So what I know is that we are instructed to currently be like minded with Christ who currently has the form of God and currently doesn't consider equality with God something to be grasped.  This tells me he did not empty himself of being in the form of God when he took on the form of a servant and was found in the likeness of mankind. Hi Kerwin, It would help you to understand the verse if the Greek was translated correctly; here is what the verse actually says… Philippians 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Ed J Ed J. It appears translators had difficulties with very basic language concepts. The King James translates the Greek into a longer sentence than Pierre's choice. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. The words “thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” looks hokey though it may have been fine for the time it was translated.    Others disagree on sentence structure of the words and I know too little of the Greek to say which is the correct translation.  I favor the one that is more consistent with what Scripture elsewhere tells me. Hi Kerwin, Which is what exactly? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J. Jesus called Yahweh his God and therefore did not see equality with God something to be grasped.

Hi Kerwin, but, that is NOT what the verse is saying?
 

Christ Mind(117)  =  “Spirit of God”(117)  =  “God The Father”(117)  =  (117)”יהוה האלהים”

         Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:” (Phil 2:5)            
  “thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” (Phil 2:6)

                                 God's Signature  
                                Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)

        יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
        YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
        Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
        HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
        God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)

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                       (26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)

Fact #1. GOD's NAME, [יהוה], Theomatically matching “GOD”=26!
Fact #2. The Short Form of God's Name, [יה], is pronounced “YÄ”=26.
Fact #3. Man being created in YHVH's Image is first mentioned in Gen.1:26.
Fact #4. “GOD”=26: matches the number of letters in the English alphabet, 26.
Fact #5. “God's”, the possessive form of GOD, the number of times written is 26.
Fact #6. “Spirit OF God”, the possessive phrase, the number of times written is 26.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,10:40)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:30) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,10:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:03) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,09:51) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:38) PIERRE, There is no we in disagreement. (Am.3:3) YOU are talking about what YOU are talking about. And “I” will continue to talk about what God is talking about! Ed J edj so you agree the KJV is just a good translation like NIV and the netbible PIERRE, NO, those newer versions are corrupt, and not worth the paper they were written on. (Link) God bless Ed J edj that is were I disagree with you ,because in your blindness you forgot all other translations in other languages and so establish that the 1611 ad KJV is more accurate than to day good translation other than KJV,this is the arsenic of that idea you rely to much on the written letter and not on the spirit of God PIERRE, As I have told you already, I go back to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. But you can put your faith in man, if that is what you so choose to do; YOUR CHOICE. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj are you fluent in Hebrew and old Greek if so well then this is better but i am not

PIERRE,

Not so fluent, but learning.
My Hebrew is better than my Greek.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:48)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,10:40) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:30) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,10:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,17:03) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,09:51) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:38) PIERRE, There is no we in disagreement. (Am.3:3) YOU are talking about what YOU are talking about. And “I” will continue to talk about what God is talking about! Ed J edj so you agree the KJV is just a good translation like NIV and the netbible PIERRE, NO, those newer versions are corrupt, and not worth the paper they were written on. (Link) God bless Ed J edj that is were I disagree with you ,because in your blindness you forgot all other translations in other languages and so establish that the 1611 ad KJV is more accurate than to day good translation other than KJV,this is the arsenic of that idea you rely to much on the written letter and not on the spirit of God PIERRE, As I have told you already, I go back to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. But you can put your faith in man, if that is what you so choose to do; YOUR CHOICE. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj are you fluent in Hebrew and old Greek if so well then this is better but i am not PIERRE, Not so fluent, but learning. My Hebrew is better than my Greek. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you only have a good computer program ,that s all you have and you are a quick clicker,that all ,and like most of us you get familiar with the things that comes up the most frequently ,

but that has nothing to do with Gods own words

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 14 2012,17:20)

A servant that has the form of God and the likeness of mankind but who does not see equality with God something to be grasped.

What the freak does that even mean, Kerwin?  

This is why I now avoid the long, drawn out discussions with you.  You are willing to post complete nonsense to save your flawed doctrine.

And I just don't have the patience to argue against crazy anymore.  Consider jammin's “great and logical” responses of “it says so in this flawed translation where they ADDED words into scripture, so therefore it must be true”.  Your argument here is equally as logical that that one he made.

Neither one of them are worth the space on this site that they take up.

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,11:01)

edj you only have a good computer program ,that s all you have and you are a quick clicker,that all ,and like most of us you get familiar with the things that comes up the most frequently , but that has nothing to do with Gods own words

PIERRE,

Are you starting to become familiar with Hebrew and Greek then?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

mike

Quote

And I just don't have the patience to argue against crazy anymore.

is that not the truth ,going to help someone then he try to drown you with his inventions

learning

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2012,11:03)

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 14 2012,17:20) A servant that has the form of God and the likeness of mankind but who does not see equality with God something to be grasped. What the freak does that even mean, Kerwin?   This is why I now avoid the long, drawn out discussions with you.  You are willing to post complete nonsense to save your flawed doctrine. And I just don't have the patience to argue against crazy anymore.  Consider jammin's “great and logical” responses of “it says so in this flawed translation where they ADDED words into scripture, so therefore it must be true”.  Your argument here is equally as logical that that one he made. Neither one of them are worth the space on this site that they take up.

Hi Mike,

Come on now, at least Kerwin is willing to discuss his beliefs.
Jammin, is only willing to declare he is right, not to discuss the matter.
A   B-I-G   DIFFERENCE!    …so lighten up a little on our brother Kerwin; OK?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,11:08)

mike Quote And I just don't have the patience to argue against crazy anymore. is that not the truth ,going to help someone then he try to drown you with his inventions learning

Hi Pierre,

You mean like FAKE scenarios that prove NOTHING?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

Do YOU mean like the parables Jesus used to teach others?

[Ed J]

Hi Mike,

Scenarios do portray ideas, but don't prove them.
I hope that you understand the difference,
because that is the point I'm making.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,18:14)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 15 2012,11:08) mike Quote And I just don't have the patience to argue against crazy anymore. is that not the truth ,going to help someone then he try to drown you with his inventions learning Hi Pierre, You mean like FAKE scenarios that prove NOTHING? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

imaging a description is not wrong ,if it is clear and to the point of the discussion

not like your ;;”holy spirit his God “” his and of are two different words I think so

[Ed J]

PIERRE,

You mean like how the mind of Pierre really isn't Pierre?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Ed,

If you can use the words “OF” or “HIS”, then no. The mind OF Pierre isn't Pierre, but HIS mind.

The money OF Mike is not Mike, but HIS money.

The thoughts OF Ed are not Ed, but HIS thoughts.

The soul OF Gene is not Gene, but HIS soul.

See how this works?

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