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mike,
that's what paul said. Christ is the firstborn of all creation Because all things were created by him:
both in the heavens and on the earth,
the things that are visible and the things that are invisible.
Whether they are thrones or powers,
or rulers or authorities,
all things were created through him and for him.and not CREATED!
now answer me
answer my question
ill repeatin col 1.15, you want the verse to be literal. paul is not saying in verse 16 that christ is created. it is just your opinion
now read your imagination in col 1.15
you said “First creation of GOD”where can i read that in col 1.15??
To all,
Are these two passages parallel. Why or why not?
Psalm 33:6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made,
And by the breath of His mouth all their host.John 1:3
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.nick,
i do not need your explanation.
i want you to read your illusion in john 1.1you said:The Spirit of Christ, the Word, is before then.
where can i read that in john1.1
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 12 2012,20:15) To all, Are these two passages parallel. Why or why not?
Psalm 33:6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made,
And by the breath of His mouth all their host.John 1:3
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
make a new thread for psalms 33.6Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,23:25) nick, i do not need your explanation.
i want you to read your illusion in john 1.1you said:The Spirit of Christ, the Word, is before then.
where can i read that in john1.1
Hi Jammin,
IN THE BEGINNING the Word was with God and the Word was God.Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 13 2012,03:15) To all, Are these two passages parallel. Why or why not?
Psalm 33:6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made,
And by the breath of His mouth all their host.John 1:3
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Kit says BY “THE WORD OF GOD” who his the WORD OF GOD ?
IS IT CHRIST
?Col 1;14-18
JOHN 1;1-14
Rev;19;19it is different wen it says ;Rev 19:9 Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true
.”WORDS OF GOD” THOSE ARE SPEAKING WORDSQuote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,18:26) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 12 2012,20:15) To all, Are these two passages parallel. Why or why not?
Psalm 33:6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made,
And by the breath of His mouth all their host.John 1:3
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
make a new thread for psalms 33.6
Jammin,John 1:3 is a testimonial about the Word spoken in John 1:1. That is why my question was on topic.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 13 2012,02:03) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 13 2012,03:15) To all, Are these two passages parallel. Why or why not?
Psalm 33:6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made,
And by the breath of His mouth all their host.John 1:3
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Kit says BY “THE WORD OF GOD” who his the WORD OF GOD ?
IS IT CHRIST
?Col 1;14-18
JOHN 1;1-14
Rev;19;19it is different wen it says ;Rev 19:9 Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true
.”WORDS OF GOD” THOSE ARE SPEAKING WORDS
Pierre,Why do you declare they are different?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,01:07) Hi KW,
Yes spiritually.
Nick,Could you please expand your answer? Thank you.
Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2012,20:22) now answer me
Not until you've actually answered me, jammin.Is the firstborn of the herd a MEMBER OF the herd? YES or NO?
If so, then why isn't the firstborn of every creature a creature?
Like I keep saying, it is YOU who is going away from the default meaning of “the one born first”, and imagining that firstborn is used figuratively in Col 1:15.
Show me a scripture that tells you that. 1:16 doesn't do it, because it makes perfect sense that one was created first, and then all others were created through that first one. So, what else ya got?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2012,06:06) Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,23:25) nick, i do not need your explanation.
i want you to read your illusion in john 1.1you said:The Spirit of Christ, the Word, is before then.
where can i read that in john1.1
Hi Jammin,
IN THE BEGINNING the Word was with God and the Word was God.
you said:The Spirit of Christ, the Word, is before then.this is john says in john 1.1
IN THE BEGINNING the Word was with God and the Word was God.
did you see Spirit of Christ in the verse?
make your own version dream boy
mike,
in col 1.15, that is not literal.
the answer could be found in verse 16
rpaul said. Christ is the firstborn of all creation Because all things were created by him:
both in the heavens and on the earth,
the things that are visible and the things that are invisible.
Whether they are thrones or powers,
or rulers or authorities,
all things were created through him and for him.and not CREATED!
now answer me
answer my question
ill repeatin col 1.15, you want the verse to be literal. paul is not saying in verse 16 that christ is created. it is just your opinion
now read your imagination in col 1.15
you said “First creation of GOD”where can i read that in col 1.15??
Quote (jammin @ Mar. 12 2012,18:50) mike, in col 1.15, that is not literal.
the answer could be found in verse 16
Yes,In Bizzaro World, it COULD BE found in verse 16. In the real word, it is not.
Tell me what scripture teaches us that “firstborn” is figurative in verse 15.
Remember, it always means just what it says UNLESS there is CLEAR and PRESENT evidence to the contrary. “Could be” just doesn't count as CLEAR and PRESENT evidence to the contrary, jammin.
Now………….what about MY support in Rev 3:14? Jesus himself says he is the beginning of the creation of his own God.
i said
you can read that in verse 16
that's the reason why paul said he is the firstborn of all creationColossians 1:16
16 Because all things were created by him:
both in the heavens and on the earth,
the things that are visible and the things that are invisible.
Whether they are thrones or powers,
or rulers or authorities,
all things were created through him and for him.do not ignore the question mike
i answered already your questionnow answer me
answer my question
ill repeatin col 1.15, you want the verse to be literal. paul is not saying in verse 16 that christ is created. it is just your opinion
now read your imagination in col 1.15
you said “First creation of GOD”where can i read that in col 1.15??
Okay jammin,
Here's my answer:
Because purple with pink polka dots are pretty, that's why.
Now, I've answered you with an answer that is equal to your answer to my question.
Don't post nonsense and then insist it is an answer. Verse 16 CONFIRMS my understanding of Jesus being the first one created. He had to have been the first, otherwise all the others couldn't have been created through him.
paul did not say first created. im laughing again mike. hahaha
your doctrine is so funny.where can i read that in col 1.15?
ill repeat
in col 1.15, you want the verse to be literal. paul is not saying in verse 16 that christ is created. it is just your opinion
now read your imagination in col 1.15
you said “First creation of GOD”where can i read that in col 1.15??
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