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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,15:33) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,15:15) no nick. another meaning of christ is the son of GOD
mat 16.16the son of GOD became human and was given a name jesus
Indeed Jammin,
When he was anointed at the jordan he became the Christ and the first reborn SON of God
what???
you cant read that in the jordan river. GOD did not say you became christ now.
where can you read that??Luke 2:11
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
11For unto you is born this day in the City of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord
there is no jordan river there. but the verse said HE IS THE CHRIST the LORD!
Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,11:29) ed j,
it is very clear that you dont understand eph 6.17
my advise to you is dont use a verse if you dont know exactly the right meaning of it.kerwin,
that is what the bible says. the WORD is christ! what are you talking about??
christ became human! you said the word is JESUS. there was no JESUS in the beginning kerwin. we are talking about the beginning of all beginnings. it was CHRIST who was with GOD! when he became human he was given a name jesus! that's what the bible says!if you dont believe that the WORD is christ. then who is the WORD in john 1.1?
Hi jammin,Do you believe that the “HolySpirit” is(?) Christ?
Are you not doing with John 1:1 what you
accuse me of doing with Eph.6:17.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,11:32)
Jammin, doesn't “Christ” or “messiah” literally mean “anointed one.”Didn't he in fact become the anointed one (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit?
Yes David,Jesus was born the “Son of God” and became “the Christ” at Jordan.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,14:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2012,11:31) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 26 2012,14:15) You have failed to resolve the conflict between your teaching and the fact that the child does not come into existence before the parent.
Yet there is one mentioned in history who was both the Root AND the Branch of another. That one is Jesus.Normally, the branch does not exist before the root. But then, the life of Jesus was anything but normal.
JESUS is the man.
when christ became human, he was given a name JESUS.
I actually agree with jammin that he was given the name Jesus when he was born on earth.
But I think he was really called Christ (the anointed one) when he was…anointed with holy spirit.God changes names all the time in scripture. When someone takes on a new role in gods purpose they often experience a name change. Abram/Abraham for example. Jacob/Israel is another one.
That god would have his son named Jesus when born on earth isn't so far a stretch based on this fact.
Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,14:36) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,11:32) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,11:29) ed j,
it is very clear that you dont understand eph 6.17
my advise to you is dont use a verse if you dont know exactly the right meaning of it.kerwin,
that is what the bible says. the WORD is christ! what are you talking about??
christ became human! you said the word is JESUS. there was no JESUS in the beginning kerwin. we are talking about the beginning of all beginnings. it was CHRIST who was with GOD! when he became human he was given a name jesus! that's what the bible says!if you dont believe that the WORD is christ. then who is the WORD in john 1.1?
Jammin, doesn't “Christ” or “messiah” literally mean “anointed one.”Didn't he in fact become the anointed one (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit?
the meaning of christ is anointed one.
Χριστός,n \{}
1) Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God 2) anointedalso, it means the SON of GOD.
Matthew 16:16
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
16And Simon Peter answered and said, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
therefore,
the WORD (christ) was with GOD
he was called the WORD.
the WORD was GOD!he became human (14) and dwelt among us.
Some of these comments are nonsensical.Saying “Christ was the messiah” for example. Christ and messiah mean the same thing. Messiah is Hebrew. Christ is from Greek. They both mean “anointed one.”
Neither of them mean the son of god.
Of course the Christ was the son of god. But still, that is not what it means.
Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,15:15) no nick. another meaning of christ is the son of GOD
mat 16.16the son of GOD became human and was given a name jesus
Jamming, you have to stop saying this. It's simply not true.It's like saying that father means “god” because the father is God.
True, Jesus was both the Christ and the son of god. He was also a prophet and shepherd and teacher…
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,09:38) Hi KW,
So was Spirit and of God with God but one with God
Nick,I agree.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,17:24)
Jesus was born the “Son of God” and became “the Christ” at Jordan.
Hi Everyone,Do you agree with this?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,17:21) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,11:29) ed j,
it is very clear that you dont understand eph 6.17
my advise to you is dont use a verse if you dont know exactly the right meaning of it.kerwin,
that is what the bible says. the WORD is christ! what are you talking about??
christ became human! you said the word is JESUS. there was no JESUS in the beginning kerwin. we are talking about the beginning of all beginnings. it was CHRIST who was with GOD! when he became human he was given a name jesus! that's what the bible says!if you dont believe that the WORD is christ. then who is the WORD in john 1.1?
Hi jammin,Do you believe that the “HolySpirit” is(?) Christ?
Are you not doing with John 1:1 what you
accuse me of doing with Eph.6:17.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you said: Do you believe that the “HolySpirit” is(?) Christ?that's not the topic here.
it is very clear that you dont understand eph 6.17
it has no connection in john 1.1
Ephesians 6:17Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
17 Accept God’s salvation as your helmet. And take the sword of the Spirit—that sword is the teaching of God.better luck next time.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,17:24) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,11:32)
Jammin, doesn't “Christ” or “messiah” literally mean “anointed one.”Didn't he in fact become the anointed one (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit?
Yes David,Jesus was born the “Son of God” and became “the Christ” at Jordan.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you cant read that
you cant read that he became christ at jordan.that's not what the bible says.
GOD did not say you became christ now here at the jordan river.it is just your illusion my friend.
Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,17:56) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,15:15) no nick. another meaning of christ is the son of GOD
mat 16.16the son of GOD became human and was given a name jesus
Jamming, you have to stop saying this. It's simply not true.It's like saying that father means “god” because the father is God.
True, Jesus was both the Christ and the son of god. He was also a prophet and shepherd and teacher…
Christ means son of GOD
mat 16.16Christ is the WORD in john 1.1
he was called the WORD or WORD of GOD.in verse 14 he became human.
that is what the bible says.
Hi Jammin,
No it does not MEAN that.
Though the Christ was also reborn as the Son of God
The firstborn from the DEAD-we are the dead-till we too are given life of water and the Spirit.Quote (jammin @ Feb. 28 2012,01:41) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,17:56) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,15:15) no nick. another meaning of christ is the son of GOD
mat 16.16the son of GOD became human and was given a name jesus
Jamming, you have to stop saying this. It's simply not true.It's like saying that father means “god” because the father is God.
True, Jesus was both the Christ and the son of god. He was also a prophet and shepherd and teacher…
Christ means son of GOD
mat 16.16Christ is the WORD in john 1.1
he was called the WORD or WORD of GOD.in verse 14 he became human.
that is what the bible says.
Hi Jammin,Was not Matt.16:16 spoken AFTER Jordan?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,15:13) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 28 2012,01:41) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,17:56) Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,15:15) no nick. another meaning of christ is the son of GOD
mat 16.16the son of GOD became human and was given a name jesus
Jamming, you have to stop saying this. It's simply not true.It's like saying that father means “god” because the father is God.
True, Jesus was both the Christ and the son of god. He was also a prophet and shepherd and teacher…
Christ means son of GOD
mat 16.16Christ is the WORD in john 1.1
he was called the WORD or WORD of GOD.in verse 14 he became human.
that is what the bible says.
Hi Jammin,Was not Matt.16:16 spoken AFTER Jordan?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhats your point
??????Quote (jammin @ Feb. 27 2012,08:39) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2012,17:24) Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2012,11:32)
Jammin, doesn't “Christ” or “messiah” literally mean “anointed one.”Didn't he in fact become the anointed one (Christ) when he was anointed with holy spirit?
Yes David,Jesus was born the “Son of God” and became “the Christ” at Jordan.
you cant read that
you cant read that he became christ at jordan.that's not what the bible says.
GOD did not say you became christ now here at the jordan river.it is just your illusion my friend.
jammin is spot on with this point.Luke 2:11 says Jesus was BORN the Christ. Luke 2:25-32 tells about a man named Simeon. God promised this man he would not die before seeing God's Christ. After seeing the 8 day old Jesus, Simeon thanked God for keeping His promise, and said he could now be dismissed (die) in peace.
How could God have already KEPT His promise to Simeon about letting him see the Christ before he died if Jesus wasn't the Christ at the moment Simeon got to see him?
And as jammin points out, you cannot read from scripture that Christ BECAME the Christ at the Jordan. You cannot read that God said, “NOW you're the Christ” at the Jordan.
This is one of those popular thoughts that many people just take for granted. But I'm unaware of any scripture that says Jesus became “Christ” at the Jordan. And considering that I just listed two scriptures that say he was Christ long before the Jordan, I'd say it's one of those popular thoughts that these same many people ought to let die. There is no scriptural proof FOR it, and there is scriptural proof AGAINST it.
jammin, there is also no scriptural evidence that Jesus wasn't already named Jesus in heaven before he was made into the likeness of a human being.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 26 2012,22:15) LUKE 1:17 † And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children………………. Malachi, speaks of another spirit of Elijah to come.
MAL 4:5 † Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 † And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children…………………..
You say Luke and Malachi speak of different Elijahs, yet the same words are used of both. Also the words “make straight the path of the Lord”.I don't know what to think about it yet. Thanks for your info, Marlin. And yes, tell me who you think the 20th century Elijah is.
Jammin,
I read that the Word of God is what comes out of the mouth of God because words are spoken, written, acted on, and thought. I am literally interpreting John 1:1 because I know from the account of creation that God and his Spirit were both present and that both are the manifestation of the literal Word of God.
While I understand the word “Word” in John 1:1 literally you chose to believe it symbolizes a being that would be named Jesus. I challenge the grounds to your belief. You correctly claim that Jesus is called the Word of God but you fail to understand the reason even though he is also called Faithful and True. He personalizes the ideas of being faithful and true just like he personalizes God’s Word. John 1:14 is where John writes of the Word personalizes in the human being Jesus.
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