JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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  • #244435
    Wispring
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    Hi Gene,

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    they can not be separated from the individual, they can be transmitted from individual to individual, through existing knowledge


      Replace the word knowledge with the word language like this:

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    they can not be separated from the individual, they can be transmitted from individual to individual, through existing knowledgelanguage


      The reason I express this is simply because knowledge is transmitted via words.
       It would be impossible for the father and the son to communicate(at least initially) if they didn't share the same language.If they both did not already have intellect(spirit) that had a mutually compatible lexicon of language. When parents teaches thier offspring to speak in thier native language they teach words. Normally, nouns first, like mama, dada because they are easiest to cognate. Words are symbols of real world objects and concepts. This is how a lexicon(structure of language) is built. The father was arranging the shared lexicon in an intelligent, organized manner(sentences) in order to explain a new concept(logos) to his son. I cognate arranging someone's intellect as having connotations of a form of brain-washing. Hitler spoke many words and concepts. Many people were led astray by allowing his words to re-arrange thier intellects. Are you truly realizing, cognating, getting, comprehending the concepts that i am relaying to you via the english language in this post? I truly hope so.

                                                                With Love and Respect,
                                                                      Wispring

    #244489
    GeneBalthrop
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    Wispering…………A language is the means of expressing a person (INTELLECT) or knowledge to Others if that were not the case there would be no need for any language. A language is just simply something that gives us the ability to relate thing to one another. Here is an example Lets take the Hebrew word for GOD or Elohim, in the original Pictorial language of the Hebrews it was drawn as a the Head of an OX with a Staff alongside it. This transmitted the idea of POWER (the OX) and what they trusted or leaned on (the STAFF) . So to them GOD was the POWER they Leaned on or trusted that is what God or Elohim was to them. So language is just used to transmit a thought derived from intellects in them with things they could relate to. All language is Learned by being transmitted through Speech from one person to another it is the way we transmit thoughts to each other. The Hitler thing makes no sense to me because all the German were able to understand exactly what he was saying. The lack the wisdom to reject it was the problem there. IMO

    peace and love…………………………………………………gene

    #244525
    Wispring
    Participant

    Hi Gene,
    I did some research on the pictorial language of the Hebrews. I already was aware that Hebrew is action-oriented/verb oriented and not so much adjective oriented. Here is a nice link:
    ancient-hebrew.org
    I found the information presented here very educational.
    This is a definition of intellect from freedictionary.com

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    in·tel·lect (ntl-kt)
    n.
    1.
    a. The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding.
    b. The ability to think abstractly or profoundly.


    This is the definition of knowledge from the same web-site:

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    knowl·edge (nlj)
    n.
    1. The state or fact of knowing.
    2. Familiarity, awareness, or understanding gained through experience or study.
    3. The sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned.
    4. Learning; erudition: teachers of great knowledge.
    5. Specific information about something.
    6. Carnal knowledge.


    I present this information for your education. To wit. Knowledge is NOT intellect. Intellect is NOT knowledge.

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    Wispering…………A language is the means of expressing a person (INTELLECT) or knowledge to Others if that were not the case there would be no need for any language


    I present this information so that the reema/words knowledge and intellect will not be confused or understood to be synonyms.

    With Love and Respect,
    Wispring

    #244552
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    wispring………….Intellect gives one the ability to absorb knowledge it is Spirit cognation, IMO, and it can be typed, like the Spirit or Intellect of wisdom, the spirit of intellect of truth, the spirit or intellect of an adversary (satan) the spirit or intellect of love and mercy, all of these are intellects derived from spirit types, even an unclean spirit is a type intellect,  The seven Spirits of GOD.  All of these are also distinct Knowledges perceived through these different types of Spirit intellects. Language is simply an expression of these different types of intellects existing in our minds it is a means of communication from one person to another, rather God speaking to his Creation or his creation speaking to him or to each other. IMO

    Wispering if you go to the the Jeff Benner  web site on Ancient Hebrew language you will see what i am saying about the word GOD or Elohim. You will probably find it quite interesting. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

    #244566
    Wispring
    Participant

    Hi Gene,
    Evidently you didn't check out the link I provided in my previous post. It goes to the web-site that Jeff Benner(I think you meant Benner and not Beaner) created. So, yeah, ok… Here is what my intellect put together from the pictographs head of an ox(Aleph) and the staff(Lam). God is my strength and my guide;He leads me towards Him;He teaches me about Him;God is the ultimate authority.
    When you post to me to go to a web-site that I just posted to you what do you think that tells me?

    With Love and Respect,
    Wispring

    #244750
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Wispring…………I did not go to your posted sit yet that is right , But i am glad that it was Jeff Benners sit He also has a book on the Mechanical translations of Genesis which i purchased years ago and mailed it to Adam for him to Check out. I believe the Staff was a symbol of trust or lean on for support. Simply put the Hebrew Mind saw GOD as a POWER they could trust and lean on for support, of course guidance would also be part of that. IMO Sorry i did not look up your posted site, but i was quite busy lately, I was planning on looking it up though.

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………….gene

    #273569
    Ed J
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    Hi Everyone,

    Two verses that disqualify Jesus…

    1) John 1:3 All things were made by him(The Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    Are you suggesting that Jesus made himself? If not, then he is disqualified form being “The Word”.

    2) Heb.11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
    so that things which are seen were not made “OF” things which do appear.
    Since Jesus has appeared, that disqualifies him as “The Word”.

    Note: The Greek word [ἐκ] ek can be translated as either “OF” or “FROM”.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274015
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Everyone,

    Here are two verses indicating who “The Word” really is:

    “the sword of the Spirit, which is The Word of God:” (Eph.6:17)

    the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit(John 6:63)

    God bless
    Ed J
    (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274099
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Everyone,

                       Ho Logos(91)  =  Spirit(91)

    “The Word”[ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs is in both John 1:1 & 14:24!

    John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
    “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

    John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
    he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
    And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
    whatsoever I
    speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)

    #274101
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2012,07:46)
    Hi Everyone,

                       Ho Logos(91)  =  Spirit(91)

    “The Word”[ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs is in both John 1:1 & 14:24!

    John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
    “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

    John 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
    he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
    And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
    whatsoever I
    speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)


    edj

    it is obvious you do not have the spirit it takes to see the understanding here,

    and I have told before but you persisting to remain blind to the true spirit of Gods word,

    so until you wake up have a nice sleep.

    Pierre

    #274260
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Everyone,

             Acts 12:24 But  “The Word”  of God grew and multiplied.
             Acts 19:20 So mightily grew  “The Word”  of God and prevailed.

    What? came  “The Word”  of God out from you?
    or came it unto you only? (1Cor.14:36)

    Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
    and they were all  “filled with the HolySpirit”,  and they spake  “The Word”  of God with boldness.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #274275
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2012,22:30)
    Hi Everyone,

             Acts 12:24 But  “The Word”  of God grew and multiplied.
             Acts 19:20 So mightily grew  “The Word”  of God and prevailed.

    What? came  “The Word”  of God out from you?
    or came it unto you only? (1Cor.14:36)

    Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
    and they were all  “filled with the HolySpirit”,  and they spake  “The Word”  of God with boldness.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    you walking by the flesh and so see what the letter says but not what the spirit shows ,

    now you know many things are hiden to many ,

    Pierre

    #275473
    Ed J
    Participant

    To All, (Link to thread)

    All these verses together PROVE that “The Word” is REALLY the HolySpirit”!

    Zech.4:6
    Zech.12:1

    Matt.13:19
    Mark 4:14
    Mark13:11
    Mark 13:19
    Luke 3:2
    Luke 8:11
    John 12:49
    John 14:24
    John 17:6-8
    John 17:14
    Acts 4:31
    Acts 10:36-38
    Acts 10:44
    Acts 11:15-16
    Acts 13:4-5
    Acts 13:47-49
    Acts 17:11
    Acts 20:32
    Romans 9:5-6
    Romans 10:17
    1Cor. 12:8-9
    1Cor. 14:36
    2Cor. 5:19
    2Cor. 6:6-7
    Gal.6:6
    Eph. 1:12-13
    Eph. 5:26
    Eph. 6:17
    Phillip.2:16
    1Tm.5:17-18
    2Tm.2:11-15
    2Tm.4:2
    Hebrews 1:1-2
    Hebrews 2:2-3
    Hebrews 4:2-6
    Hebrews 4:8-12
    Hebrews 5:13-14
    Hebrews 7:28
    Hebrews 11:3
    Hebrews 12:19
    James 1:18
    1Peter 1:21-23
    1Peter 2:6-8
    1John 2:7-10
    Rev.1:2
    Rev.1:9
    Rev.19:11-16
    Rev.20:4

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #275474
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    The Word is Jesus – a god who was with THE God in the beginning.

    #275508
    jammin
    Participant

    christ mike not jesus. we are in the beginning of all beginnings. ok.
    the name jesus was given when he became human.

    you are putting again your opinion in the verse.

    do you believe that before all creation, christ was existing?

    #275513
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 01 2012,19:08)
    the name jesus was given when he became human.


    Read that for me in scripture.

    #275515
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 01 2012,19:08)
    do you believe that before all creation, christ was existing?


    I believe that Jesus was the first thing God ever created, and therefore lived before THE REST OF all creation.

    #275517
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 02 2012,12:21)

    Quote (jammin @ Feb. 01 2012,19:08)
    the name jesus was given when he became human.


    Read that for me in scripture.


    if i can read that to you mike, will you accept that you are really a false teacher?

    #275526
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    If you can, then read it.

    #275528
    jammin
    Participant

    if i can read that to you mike, will you accept that you are really a false teacher?

    yes or no?

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