JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

[DesireTruth]

@Berean,

Is it possible for the old testament to be wrong?

Is it possible for the new testament to be wrong?

[Berean]

@ desire Truth

You

Is it possible for the old testament to be wrong?

Me

Do you believe that the book of Daniel is a book inspired by God.
Yes or no?
If so, there is hope for you
Otherwise, ???
For me I do not doubt either the old or the new testament.
Even if certain passages are difficult to understand in both testaments.

🙏

[DesireTruth]

@Proclaimer,
In response to post #945105

You quoted me:
“God said he is our salvation, not that I have to go through another. God said to repent, turn from your wickedness, and your sin will be remembered no more. God said HE had no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but desired they turn from their wickedness and live. What god do you serve?”

You responded with:
“He did this through the messiah that he sent. Without the messiah, you are stuck following the law and its precepts. But the messiah came so we could have forgiveness and the price of our sin is paid.”

Me: Except God said what I originally wrote before a “messiah” was ever here…riddle me?!? God was forgiving mankind without the need or help of a messiah figure. God forgave without the need for “blood” since HE was looking for a truly repentant heart. So the question still remains, what need does anyone have with Jesus?

You also mention being “stuck following the law and its precepts”; can you expound on what it means to be stuck following the law? Is your understanding, Paul’s understanding? As you answer this please keep in mind these “laws” given to Moses where specific to the Israelite nation and not the rest of the world. I must also ask, if these 613 laws given to Moses are so burdensome and somehow “bind you” to a system that is impossible to keep, why then isn’t it burdensome having to follow the millions of laws on the books in certain nations today (the US has something like 3 million laws and those living there are considered the freest in the world)? Strange, right!

[carmel]

Hi Nick,

You: Hi Carmel,

bewildering speculative dogma.

Me: WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

BE MORE SPECIFIC NOT ENIGMATIC!

ARE YOU PREOCCUPIED TO BE CLEAR?

READ AGAIN AND ANSWER PLEASE:

You: Apparently

OFFICIAL DECLARATIONS
are important to Carmel.

Ritualism,  not faith.

 

IS BAPTISM

AN OFFICIAL DECLARATION
THAT YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR REDEEMER?

YES OR NO PLEASE!

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[Nick]

Hi Carmel,

no.

It s a plea to God for a clean conscience.

[carmel]

Hi Nick

Me: Nick,

IS BAPTISM

AN OFFICIAL DECLARATION
THAT YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR REDEEMER?

YES OR NO PLEASE!

Mark 16:16 He that BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED, shall be saved:

but he that believeth not shall be condemned. 

You: Hi  Carmel,

no.

It s a “PLEA” to God for a clean conscience.

 

IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT

TRUTH HURTS!

WITH RESPECT TO THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE,

MAY I ASK PLEASE, WHAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MAKE

THE PLEA TO GOD, 

FAITH IN JESUS AND HIS REDEMPTION?

YES OR NO

PLEASE!

JUST IN CASE YOU ARE IN A SORT OF DIFFICULTY READ THE SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER:

Acts 8:34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? of himself, or of some other man? 

35Then Philip, opening his mouth, and beginning at this scripture,

preached unto him Jesus.

 36And as they went on their way, they came to a certain water; and the eunuch said:

See, here is water: what doth hinder me from being baptized?

 37And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest.

And he answering, said:

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still; and they went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch:

and he baptized him. 

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[Nick]

Hi Carmel,

Corresponding to that Baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to him. 1 Peter 3.24

”The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth. For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard. Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptised and wash away your sins calling on his name”Acts 22.14f

 

[carmel]

Hi Nick

YOU: Hi Carmel,

Corresponding to that Baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to him. 1 Peter 3.24

”The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth. For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard. Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptised and wash away your sins calling on his name” Acts 22.14

IN RELATION TO MY QUESTION:

THE TRUTH!

ALL THE ABOVE THAT YOU POSTED IS IRRELEVANT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LAST SENTENCE AGAIN HEREUNDER: 

Get up and be baptized and wash away your sins

calling on HIS NAME”

NOW WHOSE NAME?

JESUS!

John15:5:….for without me you can do nothing.

I ASK YOU AGAIN:

WHAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MAKE

THE PLEA TO GOD, 

FAITH IN JESUS AND HIS REDEMPTION?

YES OR NO

PLEASE!

JUST IN CASE YOU ARE IN A SORT OF DIFFICULTY READ THE SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER:

Acts 8:34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? of himself, or

of some other man? 

35Then Philip, opening his mouth, and beginning at this scripture,

preached unto him Jesus.

 36And as they went on their way, they came to a certain water; and the eunuch said:

See, here is water: what doth hinder me from being baptized?
 

37And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest.
And he answering, said:

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still; and they went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch:

and HE BAPTIZED HIM.  

DO NOT BE STUBBORN ADMIT THE 

TRUTH.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[Nick]

Hi Carmel,

Yes, believe in God. Believe also in Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is nw declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising him from the dead.

but do you not INTERPRET SCRIPTURE yourself and call this man a GODMAN?

 

[carmel]

Hi Desiretruth,

You: God was forgiving mankind without the need or help of a messiah figure.

Me: THEN WHAT?

You: God forgave without the need for “blood” since HE was looking for a truly repentant heart.

Me: THEN WHAT?

You: So the question still remains,

what need does anyone have with Jesus?

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken:

for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return.

THEN WHAT???

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

Hi Nick,

You: but do you not INTERPRET SCRIPTURE yourself and call this man a GODMAN?

John 10:3o I and the Father are one.

31The Jews then took up stones to stone him. 

32Jesus answered them: Many good works I have shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do you stone me? 33 The Jews answered him: For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy;

and because that thou, being a man,

maketh thyself God.

Answer please:

WHO CONSIDERRED JESUS GOD!

DEFINITELY NOT ME TODAY!!

John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:

Now is the Son of man glorified, 

EXPLAIN HOW JESUS THE MAN IS GLORIFIED!

and God is glorified in him.

EXPLAIN HOW GOD IN THE SAME INSTANT LIKEWISE IS GLORIFIED IN THE SAME GLORY AS JESUS THE MAN IS!

32 If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself;

THE LAST ONE:

HOW ONCE GOD IS GLORIFIED IN JESUS THE MAN,

GOD ALSO GLORIFIED JESUS IN HIMSELF!

and immediately will he glorify him.

WHEN AND WHERE BY THE WORD IMMEDIATELY, WE COULD DETERMINE THE TIME JESUS THE MAN WOULD BE GLORIFIED?

John 17:10 And all my things are thine,

AREN’T ALL JESUS THE MAN’S THINGS PHYSICAL AND MATERIAL SINCE ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM?

and thine are mine;

AREN’T ALL GOD’S THINGS SPIRITUAL AND DIVINE BELONG TO JESUS THE MAN?

and I am glorified in them.

ISN’T ONLY JESUS THE MAN  WHO IS GLORIFIED BOTH IN ALL THE PHYSICAL/MATERIAL AND SPIRITUAL/DIVINE GODLY? 

Colossians 1:19 Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father, that all fullness should dwell; 

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally;

 

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come:

and he hath given us understanding that we may know the true God,

and may be in his true Son.

This is the true God and life eternal.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ GODMAN OF EARTH!

[Nick]

The foolish Pharisees thought Jesus claimed to be God.

Surely you disagree with them?

[Nick]

Hi Carmel,

The Spirit of Christ which spoke through the Son was always one with God.

Can you not hear the Spirit?.

[DesireTruth]

@Carmel,

You:

“Hi Desiretruth,

You: God was forgiving mankind without the need or help of a messiah figure.

Me: THEN WHAT?

You: God forgave without the need for “blood” since HE was looking for a truly repentant heart.

Me: THEN WHAT?

You: So the question still remains, what need does anyone have with Jesus?

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return.

THEN WHAT???

Me: THEN WHAT, WHAT?!?! Are you saying God can no longer forgive?!? Are you saying God doesn’t want a repentant heart that turns from sin?!? Are you saying the creator of the universe could no longer handle HIS creation and needed help!? Are you denying the words of God that when you die you return to “dust”?!? Cast off your chains of Catholicism, it’s hindering you!

[Nick]

The Spirit of Christ which was with God in the beginning, and was God, points to the plan of God for men to find peace with God in the Son, joined with him and his God and each other in perfect unity.

No more separation caused by sin.

[Nick]

Hi,

The final solution.

Get rid of sin forever from creation.

Mankind is helplessly entrapped by sin and largely unaware.

The Son Yashua walked by the Spirit and now his brothers live by that Spirit.

The Ark of Yashua is welcoming all sinners on board once they have been washed and enlivened.

 

But folks are not interested?.

[carmel]

Hi Desiretruth,

You: Are you saying God can no longer forgive?!?

Me: I am still waiting for your belief in relation to the afterlife 

ACCORDING TO YOUR GOD OF THE OT!

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art,

and into dust thou shalt return.

Thus gain:

THEN WHAT?

You: Are you saying God doesn’t want a repentant heart that turns from sin?!?

THEN WHAT?

Genesis 1:26 And he said:

Let us make man to our IMAGE and LIKENESS:….

ME: ATTENTION PLEASE:

MAN IN THE IMAGE and LIKENESS OF GOD?????????????

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. for in what day soever thou shalt eat of it,

thou shalt die the death.

ME: THEN WHAT?

You: Are you saying the creator of the universe could no longer handle

HIS creation and needed help!?

MAN IN THE IMAGE and LIKENESS OF GOD?????????????

Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said:

It is not good for man to be alone:

let us make him a

HELP like unto

HIMSELF. 

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me?

Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.

How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? 

You: Are you denying the words of God that when you die you return to “dust”?!?

THEN WHAT?

YOU DIDN’T QUITE DECIPHER WHAT I MEANT, BY THE LOOK OF IT!

Cast off your chains of Catholicism, it’s hindering you!

Matthew 7:3 Any why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye;

and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?

 4Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye;

and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 

5Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye,

and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[carmel]

HI Nick,

You:

The Spirit of Christ which spoke through the Son was always one with God.

WHERE IN SCRIPTURE WE CAN READ SUCH A DEFINITION?

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I’M AFRAID IT’S NOT QUITE THE TRUTH!

 

Can you not hear the Spirit?.

THAT’S IT!

ALWAYS ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT IN ME!

SO ASK THE SPIRIT IN YOU AND CLARIFY USING SCRIPTURE PLEASE!

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[Nick]

Hi Carmel,

Can you not yet hear the Spirit speaking through Jesus Christ?

My words are Spirit and they are truth.

listen

[Nick]

Hi Carmel,

Your own spirit cannot recognise the Holy Spirit.

You must be born again from above.

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