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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2012,08:30) Quote (david @ Nov. 18 2012,15:11) I should also look into the account where the angels materialized bodies. That seems to be something we should be discussing.
Agreed. But remember that eating human food doesn't make an angel flesh and bone anymore than me eating dog food would make me a dog. After all, humans were said to have eaten “the bread of angels”, right?
I think it was called bread of angels because it fell from heaven.Do you believe angels eat manna?
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2012,09:32) K 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,;;WHO ARE THE CHILDREN ??
he also himself ; why does it says “HE “AND “himself “”
likewise took part of the same; WOULD THIS MEAN THAT HE TOOK PART OF SOME THING HE DID NOT HAVE TO
that through death;;THIS IS AN ACT
he might destroy ;;THIS IS THE PURPOSE
him ;; HIS THE POWER THAT HAS TO BE NUTRALIZED,
that had the power of death, that is, the devil;WHY DOES THE DEVIL AS THAT POWER
WHAT WAS ,HIS THAT POWER FOR ,
WHY COULD IT BE DESTROYED BY ANOTHER DEAD
T,I could find no post for 14:32. I did find this post of which I have already addressed all questions you asked. If there is any I failed to answer then could you please highlight them. Thank you!
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2012,08:52) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2012,09:32) K 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,;;WHO ARE THE CHILDREN ??
he also himself ; why does it says “HE “AND “himself “”
likewise took part of the same; WOULD THIS MEAN THAT HE TOOK PART OF SOME THING HE DID NOT HAVE TO
that through death;;THIS IS AN ACT
he might destroy ;;THIS IS THE PURPOSE
him ;; HIS THE POWER THAT HAS TO BE NUTRALIZED,
that had the power of death, that is, the devil;WHY DOES THE DEVIL AS THAT POWER
WHAT WAS ,HIS THAT POWER FOR ,
WHY COULD IT BE DESTROYED BY ANOTHER DEAD
T,I could find no post for 14:32. I did find this post of which I have already addressed all questions you asked. If there is any I failed to answer then could you please highlight them. Thank you!
KDid you answer the four questions
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2012,18:03) All angels have quicking spirit bodies.
They can materialise and dematerialise.And when they materialise they become truly flesh.
So when the angels mated with human women, they had to have “truly flesh” bodies to do so? That means they also had “human” sperm, right?Hmmmm…………. I wonder why their offspring were so much different than human beings then.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2012,18:07) MIke B. Satan did not show himself to Jesus as a spirit,but he truly materialised.
Wakeup,We're about to find out if any angel was said to have “materialized” a body in any scripture. I'm waiting for David to post his first “proof text” so we can all analyze it.
Quote (david @ Nov. 18 2012,20:03) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2012,09:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2012,03:30) But remember that eating human food doesn't make an angel flesh and bone anymore than me eating dog food would make me a dog.
agreed Mike but it would show that he is not an apparition or phantom
Yes terrarica, that is the point. Him eating food would indeed show that he wasn't an apparition, that he was really there.
How do you guys claim to know the difference between an “apparition”, a “ghost”, and a “spirit entity”?Do ghosts exist? Are they the spirits of the dead who go floating around on Halloween and in spooky movies? Are they real? How do you know?
Quote (david @ Nov. 18 2012,20:04) I think it was called bread of angels because it fell from heaven. Do you believe angels eat manna?
I have no reason to think angels don't eat manna, as opposed to a scripture that implies they do.Aren't some of us to be invited to a grand feast in heaven? Won't we eat anything at this feast?
Matthew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.Now we know flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. Yet here are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob enjoying a feast in heaven.
The way I see it, eating is not only something we must do to sustain ourselves, it is also one of the greatest pleasures God has given us. He has prepared our planet with so many different tastes, smells, textures, etc. Why should we think angels don't also get to enjoy the pleasures of eating?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2012,11:48) Quote (david @ Nov. 18 2012,20:03) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2012,09:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2012,03:30) But remember that eating human food doesn't make an angel flesh and bone anymore than me eating dog food would make me a dog.
agreed Mike but it would show that he is not an apparition or phantom
Yes terrarica, that is the point. Him eating food would indeed show that he wasn't an apparition, that he was really there.
How do you guys claim to know the difference between an “apparition”, a “ghost”, and a “spirit entity”?Do ghosts exist? Are they the spirits of the dead who go floating around on Halloween and in spooky movies? Are they real? How do you know?
No. Ghosts aren't real. Imagination and delusion are real.An illusion of the mind, seeing something that isn't actually there, an apparition, or phantom is what I was suggesting.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2012,11:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2012,18:07) MIke B. Satan did not show himself to Jesus as a spirit,but he truly materialised.
Wakeup,We're about to find out if any angel was said to have “materialized” a body in any scripture. I'm waiting for David to post his first “proof text” so we can all analyze it.
Ok. Jacob wrestling with the man. (Angel)Ge 18:17 Then the LORD said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?
Ge 18:18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.
Ge 18:19 For I have chosen him , so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”
Ge 18:20 Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
Ge 18:21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”see that one of God angels came to do against Sodom and Gomorrah ;
Ge 19:1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city.
Ge 18:26 The LORD said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.
Ge 19:3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate.
Ge 19:10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door.
Ge 19:11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.Ge 19:13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
can two men without any weapon do anything like that
Ge 19:17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”
Ge 19:18 But Lot said to them, “No, my lords, please!
Ge 19:19 Your servant has found favor in your eyes, and you have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die.
Ge 19:20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”
Ge 19:21 He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of.
Ge 19:22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.”Ge 19:24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens.
Ge 19:25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land.are they men or angels
Quote are they men or angels Or, are they perhaps angels that materialized human bodies.
Mike, if you before say the earring is a proof that Jesus was not a spirit, then when these two eat, is it proof that they were not spirits?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2012,11:44) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2012,18:03) All angels have quicking spirit bodies.
They can materialise and dematerialise.And when they materialise they become truly flesh.
So when the angels mated with human women, they had to have “truly flesh” bodies to do so? That means they also had “human” sperm, right?Hmmmm…………. I wonder why their offspring were so much different than human beings then.
MIke B..In the book of enoch,it says specifically,that they have their private parts as horses.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2012,11:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2012,18:07) MIke B. Satan did not show himself to Jesus as a spirit,but he truly materialised.
Wakeup,We're about to find out if any angel was said to have “materialized” a body in any scripture. I'm waiting for David to post his first “proof text” so we can all analyze it.
MikeB.6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and DAUGTERS were born unto them,
Genesis 6:2 That the SONS of God(angels) saw the DAUGHTERS OF MAN that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they chose.
WIVES NEED HUSBANDS;CAN NOT GET INTIMATE WITH A SPIRIT HUSBAND;CAN NOT MULTIPLY WITH THE ABSENT OF SPERM.
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also IS FLESH: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:4 There were GIANTS(flesh) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the SONS OF GOD CAME IN UNTO the daughters of men, and they bare CHILDREN to them, the same became mighty MEN which were of old, MEN of renown.
THose angels that went down; are as of today still in prison.
1 Peter3:19.20. 4:6 2Peter 2:4.5. rev.9:1.2.14.
wakeup.
Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,08:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2012,08:30) Quote (david @ Nov. 18 2012,15:11) I should also look into the account where the angels materialized bodies. That seems to be something we should be discussing.
Agreed. But remember that eating human food doesn't make an angel flesh and bone anymore than me eating dog food would make me a dog. After all, humans were said to have eaten “the bread of angels”, right?
I think it was called bread of angels because it fell from heaven.Do you believe angels eat manna?
davidPS 78:24 He rained down manna upon them to eat
And gave them food from heaven.
JN 6:31 “ Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘HE GAVE THEM BREAD OUT OF HEAVEN TO EAT.’ ”
JN 6:49 “ Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.
HEB 9:4 having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron’s rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
REV 2:17 ‘ He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.’Christ his the true giver of the real manna
Okay Wakeup,
Slow down. Let's do this one scripture at a time, okay? David has mentioned Jacob wrestling with an angel. Show me the part of that scripture where it is said that this angel “materialized a body”.
As for MY first scripture, I offer the account of Balaam and the donkey. The donkey was able to see the angel before Balaam was able to see him, right? Here's the question:
Did the angel in that account materialize TWO different bodies – one that only the donkey could see, and a SECOND one that both the donkey and Balaam could see?
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,05:23) MIke B.. In the book of enoch,it says specifically,that they have their private parts as horses.
I wasn't aware that the bigger the “flesh” penis, the gianter the offspring.
(Btw, God made the same comparison about the private parts of the Ethiopians he was sending against Israel.)
Quote (david @ Nov. 19 2012,22:25) Mike, if you before say the earring is a proof that Jesus was not a spirit, then when these two eat, is it proof that they were not spirits?
I don't know what “earring” you are talking about, and I've already said that the fact I can eat dog food doesn't make me a dog.So, NO, eating doesn't prove one is not a spirit being. Are we not to have a heavenly FEAST along with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Lassy is eating dog food.
What is lassy?
Questions: what do you think they are eating in heaven? Is the food made up of protein, carbs and fat? Do they need protein to build muscle? Carbs for energy?
“Eating doesn't prove one is not a spirit being.” Agreed.
But it would show that the person is actually there and not imagined.Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 16 2012,16:37) T, Hebrews 2:17
King James Version (KJV)17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
The children are his siblings.
He was made like them.“he, himself” is a way to emphasize the person being spoke of.
Both Jesus and his siblings share “flesh and blood”. Jesus' sharing is emphasized in Hebrews 2:14(KJV) but was not his choice according to Hebrews 2:17(KJV).Jesus sacrificed himself that we might be free from the chains of death. For he that is chained to sin is also chained to death as the wages of sin are death. Satan is the one that holds us bound.
Jesus died even though he, a human, did not earn the wages of sin. In this way the evil one stands condemned as the evil despot he is.
John 16:11
King James Version (KJV)11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
T,Here are my answers. If I failed to answer all your questions then please let me know which ones to answer. Thank you!
Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2012,08:33) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2012,11:48) Quote (david @ Nov. 18 2012,20:03) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2012,09:52) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2012,03:30) But remember that eating human food doesn't make an angel flesh and bone anymore than me eating dog food would make me a dog.
agreed Mike but it would show that he is not an apparition or phantom
Yes terrarica, that is the point. Him eating food would indeed show that he wasn't an apparition, that he was really there.
How do you guys claim to know the difference between an “apparition”, a “ghost”, and a “spirit entity”?Do ghosts exist? Are they the spirits of the dead who go floating around on Halloween and in spooky movies? Are they real? How do you know?
No. Ghosts aren't real. Imagination and delusion are real.An illusion of the mind, seeing something that isn't actually there, an apparition, or phantom is what I was suggesting.
David,A ghost is a soul without a body. Souls do not perish when the body does. That means ghosts do indeed exist though the land of the dead is Sheol/Hades/the Grave and not this world.
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