Jesus merely a man, God, a god, an Angel, Son of God, what does the bible teach?

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  • #801778
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Sorry should be Gene.

    #801780
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    I understand you miss-wrote. I accept your apology.

    #801787
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    By failing to depend on scriptural support for your teachings and presuming you are being guided by God you are adrift on the sea of folly with no anchor to hold you.

    #801855
    GeneBalthrop
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    Nick…..So say you, now not only have you became my accuser, but now you are the judge of my relationship with GOD THE FATHER, and Jesus, simply because of your lack understanding what their words are saying? I have produced many,many, many, scriptures to support what I have posted here. Why accuse me because of your ignorance”

    peace and love to you and yours……………gene

    #801864
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    Good idea to stick with a scriptural base.

    #802113
    GeneBalthrop
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    Nick……good advice, take it.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………….gene

    #802173
    Ed J
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    Nick…..The words I have posted are scriptural you simply seem unable to understand them, that’s not my fault now is it. Anyone who believes Spirits are not intelligent,
    lacks scriptural decernment.
    IMO

    peace and love to you and yours…………..gene

    Hi Gene,

    Please excuse me for butting in,
    but I see your words as being in conflict…

    On the one hand you are using the word “intelligent”
    meaning having the ability to make decisions with directive.

    And on the other hand you say we have NO “Free Will”
    meaning we DON’T have the ability to make decisions without directive.

    Those ideas of yours suggest that *ALL* of our futuristic intention directives
    come from a source outside of ourselves. Is that what you want us to believe?

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #802254
    NickHassan
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    Hi,

    I spoke with a JW saleswoman yesterday and asked why they say Jesus is an angel.

    She said that because he is the ruler in a heavenly kingdom then he must be a heavenly being and angel seems a good option.

     

    I rest my case.

    #802308
    GeneBalthrop
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    EDj……A directed mind is not a “freewill” mind, or it could not be directed by anything IMO. Our wills are being directed by GOD.

    Php 2:13….”For it is God which “WORKS” in you “BOTH” to “WILL” and to do “HIS” good pleasure”

    Many who do not understand this go about trying to establish RIGHTIOUSNES themselves and have not put their wills to death. A form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene

    #802312
    Ed J
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    EDj……A directed mind is not a “freewill” mind, or it could not be directed by anything IMO. Our wills are being directed by GOD.

    ……………gene

    Hi Gene,

    This verse seems to be saying that we must use
    our God given “FreeWill” and follow His instructions willingly

    “Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding:
    whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle,

    lest they come near unto thee.” (Psalms 32:9)

    What is your take on this verse?

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #802320
    GeneBalthrop
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    EDJ…….. Captivated Stubborn wills, nothing “free” about it. God is at work in his chilern driving their wills to do of his good pleasure. No scripture can disqualify another. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ……,…..gene

    #802326
    terraricca
    Participant

    Gene

    but Jesus said that the devil has children of his own now what ?

    #802360
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    EDj……THEIR WILL’S ARE NOT “FREE” OR THE WOULDN’T BE HELD CAPTIVE BY THE DEVIL NOW WOULD THEY?

    peace and love to you and yours…………….gene

    #802374
    terraricca
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    Gene

    tell me why are they kept captive by the devil ? for the devil does not hold or chain people right ? NO so tell me how are we able to be a captive of the devil ?

    #802399
    GeneBalthrop
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    Terricca……we have been set free, but many are completely cativated by satan and his demons. They can even physically control a person, as witnessed by scriptures.

    Terricca… if we are talking about a converted person, Satan can not control him IMO , because he has recieved the spirit of truth into him and SATAN can not decieve him. If we are being kept by the power of GOD, then Satan can’t get to us, remember the prayer,

    “MAY ‘THE LORD BLESS YOU AND “KEEP” YOU, MAY THE LORD MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS UNTO TO, MAY THE LORD LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU AND GIVEYOU PEACE”.

    While Satan can effect things around us, he cannot get to us unless the LORD allows it. But we aso have our own personal problems we struggle, like our health and wrong habbits also, so while we are accounted as saved, it is a struggle we also struggle against evil powers and principalties in high places, we are told. But we are told this also,we are more then overcomers through him that died and gave himself for us ,brother. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ………………gene

    #802413
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    Then why do you promote your own intellectual ideas instead of scripture?

    Who controls you?

    #802426
    terraricca
    Participant

    Gene

    did not Christ set us free by telling us to leave this world and join God’s world in which we are free in total righteousness ,

    not fighting the world of the devil ,but for this we have to leave it first cannot be with the devil and God ,

    our stuggles /tribulations in Christ name can all be overcome by prayer,self control, devotion to do what is right in God’s eyes and the like s

    #802491
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick….So you do belive in intellects, well that a start, now do you believe GOD THE FATHER ALSO HAS A INTELLECT? AND DO YOU BELIEVE HE CAN REVEAL FROM HIS INTELLECT TO US THOSE “INTELLECTUAL” THINGS?

    peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene

    #802502
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,

    We are not interested in your personal teachings and private interpretations

    Scripture is truth.

    #802548
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick…..SO YOUR SAYING “MY INTELLECTUAL IDEAS” RIGHT?, BUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD DOES NOT IMPUTE HIS INELLECTUAL IDEAS TO US. Every time you seem to open your big mouth you seem to put your own foot in it, it appears.

    I have intellictual ideas, but GOD DOSEN’T. NOW YOU SAY GOD CAN’T TRANSMIT HIS “INTELLECTUAL IDEAS TO US RIGHT?

    WHERE DID YOU EVER GET THE IDEA, YOU DECIDE WHAT GOD REAVEALS TO US OR WHAT HE HAS OR HAS NOT. ARE YOU NOW A GOD, SEENING YOU SEEM TO THINK YOU KNOW THAT GOD DOES NOT IMPART HIS SPRITUAL UNDERSTANDING (INTELLECTS) TO US ALL.

    peace and love to you and yours. …………gene

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