Jesus merely a man, God, a god, an Angel, Son of God, what does the bible teach?

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  • #798292
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Tigger,

    Yes men have been confused ever since the time of the apostles.

    The wolves attacked early and did not spare the flock.

    Popularity is what identifies the wide road.

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     dL 
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    Historical Quotes From J W publications Concerning Michael the Archangel

    “Michael and his angels”–the papacy and its supporters–fought against the dragon–pagan rulers, etc.,– and the great dragon was cast out of heaven. Zion’s Watch Tower 1879 December p.6

    ” … it is said (of Jesus), ‘Let all the angels of God worship him’; [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God] and the reason is, because he has ‘by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they’.”  (The Watchtower, Nov.  1879, p.4)

    Commenting on Revelation 12:7, C.T. Russell wrote that ‘Michael‘ is the ‘Pope‘ and his angels areThe Bishops” (Studies in the Scriptures, Volume VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, p.188)

    #798299
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    Their leaders just add a little more poison to their food every day and the faithful never notice it.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Is Jesus the awaited Messiah?

    How does this sit with your jewish religion?

    You are having difficulties and so come up with some quite astounding things as you already know Jesus is the awaited Messiah or you would not call him Jesus Christ. He is the Anointed, the chief son of the living God. Peter was one of the first to acknowledge it.

    #798305
     dL 
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    “..they say He (Jesus) is the truth – yes, but we (the Jehovah’s Witness Organization) are the channel, and all truth comes through us and through our organization..and He is the Life – yes, but no one can gain Life unless they affiliate with our organization.” – Raymond Franz (Former member of the JW governing body)

     

    #798306
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    psychobabble does is best at explaining the flesh but does not even attempt to explain the Spirit

    #798307
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    I know who Jesus is but what of you?

    As a jewish religious person can you recognise him as the messiah without rejecting your adopted faith?

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     Ed J 
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    Great topic!

    (1)I believe you are referring to the thread that @tigger2 started. (2)I believe that one can claim more than one of those titles above. But not based on my own opinions or reasoning…based on scripture alone we know that one can claim more than one of those above titles. For example at 2nd Cor 4:4 Satan is called “the god of this world”..yet we all know that he is an angel. A fallen angel, yet still an angel. (3)1st Cor 8:5 talks about angels being called gods…So if we turn to scriptures and not on our own understanding we find that one can claim more than one of these titles at the same time. (3) Gen 6:2 “the sons of God”.. those are actually angels, right? so here they are claiming the title of angel, and sons of God”.. When you refer to these scriptures, (4)can you not see how one can claim more than one of the listed titles at the same time?

    Hi UMB5,

    1) Yep
    2) OK, I see what you are saying, satan is the fallen Angel Lucifer who is called ‘god of this era(world)’ – gotcha.
    3) Yes “beni ha EL-o-heem” (sons of God) does refer to the Angels
    4) Yes, I can see how others could see it that way, thanks for pointing it out!

    I too have pointed out that #2 seems to be a reference to #3 by Tigger.

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    Ed J

    #798324
     Ed J 
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    Hi ed,

    You mean Jesus of Nazareth?

    A mere man. A chosen vessel. A man purified by obedience to the Law

    Of course God was his Father .

    You mean Jesus Christ?

    An anointed man filled by the Spirit without measure whom God used in power to reconcile mankind to Himself. Son of God by his anointing.

    Hi Nick,

    I was actually referring to Jesus from the time he was born till the time he died. Of course
    people can also refer to after his resurrection or prior to his birth, but that was not my focus.

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    Ed J

    #798325
     Ed J 
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    Hi ,

    Scripture does not teach he is our God.

    It certainly never teaches that he is any form of angel.

    Folks get confused because God was in him reconciling the world to Himself.

    Folks also attribute falsely the works he did to the man himself and not to God in him.[acts 2.22]

    Hi Nick,

    Yes, Scripture makes it clear that Jesus was never an Angel, so we can cross that one off the list…

    What does the bible teach? Was Jesus
    (1)God, (2)a god, (3)an Angel, (4)merely a man, or (5)the Son of God?

    1) God
    2) a god
    3) an Angel
    4) merely a man
    5) the Son of God

    “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?
    And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in
    the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.” (Heb.1:5-6)

    “But to which of the angels said he at any time,
    Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?” (Heb.1:13)

    Both of these questions are are rhetorical – meaning to NONE of the Angels.

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    Ed J

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     Ed J 
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    HI,

    And the foolish answer from the WATCHTOWER.

    Our Readers Ask . .
    Is Jesus the Archangel Michael?
    ▪ Put simply, the answer is yes.

    Hi Nick,

    Simply put: if Hebrews 1:5 and Hebrews 1:13 is correct
    (see previous post) then Jesus could not have been an Angel.
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    What does the bible teach? Was Jesus
    (1)God, (2)a god, (3)an Angel, (4)merely a man, or (5)the Son of God?

    Hi Everyone,

    1) God
    2) a god
    3) an Angel
    4) merely a man
    5) the Son of God

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #798328
     Ed J 
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    Dear friends of Christ,

    The great mystery of Christ revealeth that he is all of the above.He is all these things that Ed listeth.He came to show us God is the all in all and he too is that all in all.

    Hi AndrewAD,

    I suppose by saying that Mary is his mother that represents that Jesus is the sum of God’s created beings
    Plus by saying God is his Father that represents that Jesus is the sum of God as well –
    and in that way Jesus is a mergence of all things toward God.

    Is that what you suggesting AndrewAD?

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    Ed J

    #798336
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    I know who Jesus is but what of you?

    As a jewish religious person can you recognise him as the messiah without rejecting your adopted faith?

    I see you are still having difficulty believing Scripture.

    #798349
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Not believing that a man can bring his own religion into the Body of Christ.

    Yes.

    You cannot be your own head any more.

    #798352
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    I have no idea what you are speaking of but I do know that you have no biblical evidence to prove that Judaism is a different religion than Christianity. Once you accept that then perhaps you will accept more important things Scripture teaches.

    #798354
     NickHassan 
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    Hi HI,

    There is no longer Jew and gentile but just one body of Christ.

    Leave the human divisions behind

    #798364
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    You are confusing inheritance with religion. There is no Gentile religion but rather they are those not in the covenant of Abraham.

    Some Jews falsely preached that Gentiles had to become Jews in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    A Gentile that preaches that Jews must become Gentiles in order to enter the kingdom of heaven is just as false.

    #798365
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Are you in the covenant of Abraham?

     

    Either way rebirth is into Jesus Christ of repentance, water and the Spirit.

    Your previous alliances are of no benefit to you.

     

    #798368
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    The gift of circumcision was received under the covenant of Abraham. I am a Gentile and have was not born into that covenant.

    You contradict the words of Jesus for he said:

    Matthew 5:18-19New King James Version (NKJV)

    18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Heaven and earth has passed away so do you know better than Jesus?

    Even the Jews of this day teach the Law of Moses was not for Gentile believer but only the righteous requirements of it. They teach those requirements were given to Noah and descendants.

    Those who tell a Jew they must be a Gentile in order to enter the kingdom of God are teaching falsely.

    #798370
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Indeed the standard demanded by the Law now is that of perfection.

    One succeeded.

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