Is this proof that Jesus IS the Word?

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Quote (dew @ Jan. 08 2012,18:06)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2012,16:41)

Hi Mike B.

sorry to take so long to respond; I love questions.
This is how we learn.
I have just explained it to EDJ,and I will explain it to you.

The word was God, the word is inside him.
same with your word is inside you,but you are in charge,your word is not in charge. You decide what to say,not your word.
Your word can not do anything without you.agree?
If there was no you, then your word does not exist.agree?

Lets say you are a great king,and you send your rep. to another country with your word(message),and your message was not honoured in that country,this means that it did not honour you the king.agree?

same with God ; he as God has send his rep. to another country and it is not honoured.
But Gods rep. is special,he is a mystery to this world even today still.

His rep. is the word itself changed into flesh;by commanding(word spoken) the womb to conceive.
and the word came out of that woman in the flesh; he is a man,he also was sucking his mothers breast,and the rest.
But still, he is the word of God, that always has been with God from the beginning; only now he is flesh.

Since he is flesh and blood and bone,and a person; he has an ID. And his name is called Jesus,son of man,of the root of david.But God is his father because he is born by the will of the father(God)not by the will of man.

This man was resurected and given a spirit body and given all authority,and power,and sitting on the right side: But dont forget,he is still the word of God before he was changed, and still is.Since God has given him all power and authority,now he can act on his own; he does not have to ask his father,because his father trust him.And his new name is the word of God,king of kings,Lord of Lords.He will be in charge of his 1000yr kingdom,for a 1000yrs,then he will hand it to his father.

NO GOD = NO WORD. NO WORD= NO HOLY SPIRIT
NO GOD NO NOTHING. EVERYTHING IS FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD.

The tree of life in the garden; is the word of God in the form of a tree: Even you see a tree standing; it is still the word of God.

God bless.

wakeup.

thank you Mike B

wakeup.

Hi Wakeup and Amen.
So what do you think then is the Holy Spirit?

Hi Dew.

If you raed john16:7.13.14.
V7.—-The comforter.
V13.Howbeit when he ,THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH,is come,HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: For he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,that shall he speak:and he shall show you things to come.( the spirit of truth hears the father)

V.14.HE SHALL GLORIFY ME:FOR HE SHALL RECEIVE OF MINE,and show it unto you.(the spirit of truth will glorify Jesus.)

john15:26.When the COMFORTER is come whom I WILL SEND unto you FROM THE FATHER,EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH,WHICH PROCEEDED FROM THE FATHER,HE SHALL TESTIFY OF ME.(Jesus will send the holy spirit)( greater is he that send than he who is send)( the spirit of truth proceeded from the father.)

Thank you Dew.

wakeup.

January 8, 2012 at 11:24 pm#271363

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Quote (dew @ Jan. 08 2012,19:16)

Jesus spoke with the power and authority of the Father.

God was spirit, the Son was spirit.
Together they worked in the spirit.
The Son on His own didn't have the NECESSARY Power.
However WITH the Father, He Had Power and Authority.
“And at once his fame spread everywhere throughout all the surrounding region of Galilee”

When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
It was the only way Jesus could die, otherwise the Father wouldn't have allowed it.

But then, through love, God raised Him from the dead – the only one ever raised SPIRITUALLY in this way.

Therefore He was Begotten for eternity.
Their love is eternal.
Jesus' Power has extended throughout the world.
He is gathering people for His eternal kingdom.
Others like Him, but because Jesus was the firstborn for the kingdom, He will always hold a special place with God. Which is why it says He is seated at God's Right Hand.

If you're going to come down on me about anything wrong I have writen (in your opinion), then please understand I'm only new to the Bible.
Thankyou.

AMEN,AND AMEN.FOR GOD HAD REVEALED IT TO YOU.

He will rule as king of kings for a 1000yrs then he will hand over his kingdom to his father,and he also will be subject to the father.AND THE FATHER WILL COME DOWN AND DWELL AMONGST US AND WE WILL SEE HIM FACE TO FACE.REV22:4.

THy kingdom COME.
THy will be done on earth as in heaven.amen.

peace.

wakeup.

January 8, 2012 at 11:33 pm#271366

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 29 2011,12:20)

Hi Mike,

You CANNOT discount both Isaiah 37:16 & Isaiah 44:24,
based on what the systems of religion have taught you!

God “SPOKE” all things into existence,
therefore “The Word” (meaning God's word),
created all things; and without him, “The Word”,
was not anything made that was made.
(See Isaiah 37:16 & Isaiah 44:24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

AMEN,AMEN.

GREETINGS TO YOU EDJ.

FROM WAKEUP..

January 10, 2012 at 1:50 am#271541

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Hi Wakeup,

Here are the two points again:

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

2. If all things were said to have been created through “The Word”, “The Son of God” and through “Our Lord Jesus Christ”, then it stands to reason that they are all one and the same, and therefore all “The Son of God”. Do you agree?

January 10, 2012 at 3:53 am#271548

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2012,11:50)

Hi Wakeup,

Here are the two points again:

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

Mikeb.

yes,God was there with his word,from everlasting.
But John says, in the beginning was the word.
We can not say in the beginning was God.
The word was God yes;why then cant we say in the beginning was God?
You have to pray and ask God to reveal this great mystery to you.I can not do that.
Luke 10:22. no man knows the father but the son,and no man knows the son but the father; and HE whom the son will reveal him.

greetings to you.

wakeup.

January 11, 2012 at 2:02 am#271688

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Hi Wakeup,

For the FOURTH time now, you have refused to DIRECTLY answer my DIRECT questions. Maybe if I post just one at a time?

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

January 11, 2012 at 3:16 am#271692

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Thankyou Wakeup and Gene for the warm welcome.

January 11, 2012 at 3:22 am#271694

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2012,16:41)

Hi Mike B.

sorry to take so long to respond; I love questions.
This is how we learn.
I have just explained it to EDJ,and I will explain it to you.

Lets say you are a great king,and you send your rep. to another country with your word(message),and your message was not honoured in that country,this means that it did not honour you the king.agree?

same with God ; he as God has send his rep. to another country and it is not honoured.
But Gods rep. is special,he is a mystery to this world even today still.

NO GOD = NO WORD. NO WORD= NO HOLY SPIRIT
NO GOD NO NOTHING. EVERYTHING IS FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD.

The tree of life in the garden; is the word of God in the form of a tree: Even you see a tree standing; it is still the word of God.

God bless.

wakeup.

thank you Mike B

wakeup.

Enoch was taken up to heaven – no body was found
Others were risen from the dead, like when Jesus walked the earth.
BUT
Jesus – as a catepillar goes to a cacoon and then a butterfly so too did Jesus go to the dead then the spirtual world and then was reborn – as a firstborn – a new creation, the firstborn truly in the spirit from the dead. The day that God begot Him – was the day that Jesus became a new creation – for all who were to follow!

Adam was the firstborn of the earth
Jesus was the firstborn into the eternal realm to those who believe that is, in Him in truth.

It's important to get truth.
And to keep it.

Did I understand that right? (anyone)
And am I posting on the right thread??

January 11, 2012 at 4:19 am#271703

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2012,11:50)

Hi Wakeup,

Here are the two points again:

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

Mike b

Yes we are all created by God,therefore the sons of God,and the angels too.
But Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.He came from inside of God himself.
I proceeded OUT OF THE FATHER.

January 11, 2012 at 4:30 am#271706

Ed J

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Hi Wake-up,

You need to understand verses correctly.
The words “OUT OF” are not there!

“for I proceeded forth and came from God;
neither came I of myself, but he sent me.” (John 8:42)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

January 11, 2012 at 7:54 am#271719

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,12:02)

Hi Wakeup,

For the FOURTH time now, you have refused to DIRECTLY answer my DIRECT questions. Maybe if I post just one at a time?

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

Mikeb.

so sorry mike I am so slow to understand.
The word has glory with God from everlasting.

next question please; dont go too fast.

wakeup.

January 11, 2012 at 2:39 pm#271742

journey42

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Quote (dew @ Jan. 11 2012,13:22)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 08 2012,16:41)

Hi Mike B.

sorry to take so long to respond; I love questions.
This is how we learn.
I have just explained it to EDJ,and I will explain it to you.

Lets say you are a great king,and you send your rep. to another country with your word(message),and your message was not honoured in that country,this means that it did not honour you the king.agree?

same with God ; he as God has send his rep. to another country and it is not honoured.
But Gods rep. is special,he is a mystery to this world even today still.

NO GOD = NO WORD. NO WORD= NO HOLY SPIRIT
NO GOD NO NOTHING. EVERYTHING IS FRAMED BY THE WORD OF GOD.

The tree of life in the garden; is the word of God in the form of a tree: Even you see a tree standing; it is still the word of God.

God bless.

wakeup.

thank you Mike B

wakeup.

Adam was the firstborn of the earth
Jesus was the firstborn into the eternal realm to those who believe that is, in Him in truth.

It's important to get truth.
And to keep it.

Did I understand that right? (anyone)
And am I posting on the right thread??

Hi Dew

I think you got that pretty spot on!

Jesus Christ, the firstborn of all creation. You know what this means. Praise the Lord. You are on good soil.

January 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm#271747

terraricca

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dew

Quote

Adam was the firstborn of the earth
Jesus was the firstborn into the eternal realm to those who believe that is, in Him in truth.

It's important to get truth.
And to keep it.

Did I understand that right? (anyone)
And am I posting on the right thread??

let test your theory, find all the scriptures that fit to prove what you are saying so to make it true ,

Pierre

January 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm#271748

terraricca

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wakeup

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Mikeb.

greetings to you.

wakeup.

you should read the scriptures more carefully ;

JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JN 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
JN 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

why does it start by saying “in the beginning was the word”?? was it because it wanted to pointing out that there was a beginning at one point ?if this is YES then that wen the “WORD” starts,right ? Yes

in verse 2; it says “He was in the beginning with God.”would this mean that before the beginning he was not with God (GOD AS NO BEGINNING SO WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT GOD)yes

IN VERSE 3;”All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”now the HIM is THE WORD right ? YES,so it says that all things came to be THROUGH HIM AND NOTHING CAME TO BE WITHOUT HIM,so now we can see that the first in creation is THE WORD and all other things are second right ??YES

verse 4;”JN 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.”who is John talking about ? JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD right ? YES

verse 5;”JN 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.”well by now we have learn that THE WORD OF GOD is THE FIRST CREATION THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD AND THAT HE IS NOT GOD BUT THE ONLY SON CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF BECAUSE ALL OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH HIM,AND THAT HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO SAVE MEN HIS NAME JESUS CHRIST ,HE IS THE “THE WORD OF GOD,

Pierre

January 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm#271751

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,14:19)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 10 2012,11:50)

Hi Wakeup,

Here are the two points again:

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

Mike b

Yes we are all created by God,therefore the sons of God,and the angels too.
But Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.He came from inside of God himself.
I proceeded OUT OF THE FATHER.

Wakeup……..Everything you do came first from your mind, but it does not really exist until it happens even if it came from your mind in the first place. Even so with Jesus, Jesus was in the Plan and Will of God from the very beginning or foundations of the earth, but he did not become a “reality” until he came into (EXISTENCE) by berth on the earth in the flesh, and he died and became the FIRSTBORN From the dead of all mankind to inherit eternal life. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

January 11, 2012 at 4:45 pm#271752

GeneBalthrop

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,17:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,12:02)

Hi Wakeup,

For the FOURTH time now, you have refused to DIRECTLY answer my DIRECT questions. Maybe if I post just one at a time?

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

Mikeb.

so sorry mike I am so slow to understand.
The word has glory with God from everlasting.

next question please; dont go too fast.

wakeup.

Wakeup, John did not say it that way be careful, of people who force text to say what in fact it does not say. If you go and look it up, you will find the Word “I HAD” now look up the word “HAD” and your will find it means “I HOLD” With you, in the GREEK, this denotes a position not a past reality but a past position held for Jesus, in the plan and will of GOD. Jesus had that before he ever existed , Just as Jeremiah had and King Cyrus had 200 years before he ever existed. Check it out Brother.

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

January 12, 2012 at 12:25 am#271814

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Quote (dew @ Jan. 10 2012,20:22)

Jesus – as a catepillar goes to a cacoon and then a butterfly so too did Jesus go to the dead then the spirtual world and then was reborn – as a firstborn – a new creation, the firstborn truly in the spirit from the dead. The day that God begot Him – was the day that Jesus became a new creation – for all who were to follow!

Hi Dew,

And welcome to HN.

How do you suppose God gave his only begotten Son for us if that Son wasn't even begotten until after he had been given? (John 3:16)

January 12, 2012 at 12:32 am#271817

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Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2012,00:54)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2012,12:02)

Hi Wakeup,

For the FOURTH time now, you have refused to DIRECTLY answer my DIRECT questions. Maybe if I post just one at a time?

1. Who had glory alongside his God before the world was created? (John 17:5)

Mikeb.

The word has glory with God from everlasting.

wakeup.

Okay,

Let me rephrase the question:

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

WHO (exactly, by name) said the above words, Wakeup?

January 12, 2012 at 8:17 am#271923

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Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 12 2012,00:39)

Hi Dew

I think you got that pretty spot on!

Jesus Christ, the firstborn of all creation. You know what this means. Praise the Lord. You are on good soil.

Hi Journey. Yay!

January 12, 2012 at 8:32 am#271925