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- April 5, 2015 at 6:39 pm#792822NickHassanParticipant
Hi Andrew,
You offer lovely verses about being CLOTHED FROM ABOVE.
Yes we will receive a new heavenly body if you are raised in the first resurrection to meet Jesus in the air.
Then of course he returns to earth to establish his earthly kingdom.
No sojourns offered in heaven in scripture.
April 5, 2015 at 6:41 pm#792823NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
Indeed many are waiting in their graves for the voice of the Son of God to raise them from sleep.
They will sit and sup with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob at the wedding feast of the Lamb.
April 5, 2015 at 6:42 pm#792824NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
Humanists?
No God was at work to will and to do in those faithful servants.
April 5, 2015 at 6:44 pm#792825AndrewADParticipantSo just where are Abraham,Issac,Jacob,Enoch,Moses and Elijah now? in what way are they alive? how was it that Moses and Elijah met Christ on the mount of transfiguration if they weren’t alive spiritually?
April 5, 2015 at 6:45 pm#792826NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
When Jesus returns he will rule ON EARTH for 1000 years [Rev20]
with his faithful and productive servants ruling and judging with him[lk19].
April 5, 2015 at 6:54 pm#792827AndrewADParticipantTo be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord says St.Paul in Philippians.This he says realizing he will die before the physical resurrection which he once thought might happen in his lifetime.
April 5, 2015 at 6:57 pm#792828AndrewADParticipantSo where are those Hebrew saints?if they are just dust and ashes then how did they appear and talk to Christ? was it just a hallucination?
April 5, 2015 at 7:00 pm#792829AndrewADParticipantNick,you can’t answer these questions so you interject with a different subject like a fleshly millenium? good answer!
April 5, 2015 at 7:10 pm#792830MiiaParticipantamen Andrew. fleshly millennium exactly. not much different to what we have today!
April 5, 2015 at 7:11 pm#792831AndrewADParticipantNick are you one of those fundamentalists who say 60% of the bible applies to the millenium? wow what a good dodge to leave everything unexplained while at the same time claiming to know it all.
April 5, 2015 at 7:35 pm#792832NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
We are already seated with Christ Jesus in the heavenlies. [col3.1f]
The men of old appeared with Jesus on the mountain awakened from their slumber.
Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Jesus Christ.
But nothing in scripture says they were in heaven at any time.
April 5, 2015 at 7:36 pm#792834NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
Fleshly millenium?
The saints will be garbed from above in heavenly bodies – alike to the angels.
April 5, 2015 at 7:39 pm#792835NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
God is the God of the living.
All those blessed with the eternal living Spirit of God cannot ‘die’.
Some standing with Jesus were in this category when he mentioned it
April 5, 2015 at 7:58 pm#792838AndrewADParticipantSo we are already even now seated with Christ in the heavens? so surely we will still be there upon our deaths as St.Paul expected and Jesus prayed we would so we could see his glory.
If those blessed with the eternal spirit cannot die,then as Paul says they will be clothed with immortality upon death.
April 5, 2015 at 8:02 pm#792839NickHassanParticipantHi Andre,
It speaks of the unity we have in the Spirit of Christ.
We share in that Spirit with the Father and the Son.
Those alive in the Spirit sleep at death.
They are clothed when they awake at his return.
April 5, 2015 at 8:20 pm#792842AndrewADParticipantBut St.Paul says in an emphatic sense in 2 Cor 5:8 that we are confident and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
Paul expected to be with Jesus upon his absence from his physical body which is a house not made with physical hands but is eternal in the heavens with God.
April 5, 2015 at 8:38 pm#792843NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
There is no doubt that Jesus is in heaven.
When we die time ceases for us as we sleep in the earth [1 thess 4 13f]
The next thing we will be aware of is being raised in a new body and taken up to be with the lord in the air.[1cor 15]
So Paul anticipates that moment
April 5, 2015 at 8:43 pm#792844NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
Mt 16.28
“Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”
This is speaking of life in the eternal Spirit.
April 5, 2015 at 8:45 pm#792845NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
Paul the tentmaker speaks of his body as a house or a tent.
Likewise the new house is the new body.
April 5, 2015 at 8:48 pm#792846NickHassanParticipantHi Andrew,
At the end of revelation there is a new heavens and a new earth.
God comes down to the new earth and tabernacles with men on earth.[rev 21]
The myth of life in heaven for mankind is a very popular one.
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