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Hi KW:
You say:
Let God be concerned about those that die before they receive the Advocate as he considers aggravating and mitigating circumstances. He is the judge not us. Trust that he is both just and merciful and so anyone that can be saved will be saved.
I agree that God will judge all men through Jesus Christ, and also, agree that he is just and merciful. He does know who will be saved and who will not be saved, but anyone who is saved will be saved through His Word.
Jesus stated:
John 12:
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Ed:
So then the question was “what constitutes a valid water baptism”? A valid water baptism is the baptism of someone who has believed the gospel with a repentant heart. There was only one way that people were baptized in water in the scriptures, and that is by immersion, in the name of Jesus, and so, that is how I would baptize any believer.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi KW:
You say:
Marty,
John 12:47-50 speak of those that hear the gospel and have the ability to comprehend it.
Are you adding your opinion to the Word of God. Jesus stated that no man can come to the Father except through him. If someone does not comprehend it, then it is my responsibility to teach the Word of God so that they might comprehend it.
Jesus also stated the following:
John 3
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And 1 John 5 states:
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
So, according to the Word, one cannot be saved unless one is in the body of Christ, and one cannot be in the body of Christ in unbelief.
Now relative to the judgement of the unsaved the scripture states the following:
Luke 12:
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
And so, this indicates that the judgment for someone that may have not known the truth would be less severe, but it does not say that they will be saved.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi KW,
The word that is preached does not depend of the abilities of the preacher.
The word is the power of God to save men.
Granted that it is through the Word of God that anyone will be saved, but one cannot teach others until he himself has been taught.
1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
And so, also, why are you here trying to teach others the Word of God?
Hi Nick:
Read the scripture, before trying to correct me. It refers to unbelievers and servants who are doing God’s will at his coming for the church and those servants who are not who will be apportioned their judgment with unbelievers, and theirs will be more severe than that of unbelievers.
Hi 94,
The word is the power of God to reach the lost.
The servants just need to preach it out of weakness and God will gather the harvest from those destined to be saved.
All is grace and not of the effort of man.
Nick
Preaching is towards the lost.
Teaching is towards the saved.
bravo ,well said, and there is a difference between those two ,
Hi Nick:
There are many on this site who are not saved, and so, then according to you, I am not supposed to teach them the Word of God so that might believe and be saved?
Your opinion does not matter to me unless it lines up with the Word of God. Jesus said the following:
John 17:20
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty…….I have read what you have posted here and i TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR CONCLUSIONS BROTHER. It is by “GRACE” WE ARE SAVED AND NOT OF OR FROM WORKS THAT WE HAVE DONE IT IS A “GIFT” FROM GOD. OUR “SALVATION” DEMENSTRATES “GOD’S” RIGHTIOUSNESS not our,it was JESUS WHO SATIFIED THE RIGHTIOUS JUDGEMENT OF GOD, for us, and him having fullfilled GOD THE FATHERS “RIGHTIOUS” JUDGEMENT on us FOR US, WE ARE PASSED OVER, FROM THE JUDGEMENT OF ETERNAL DEATH TO EVERLASTING LIFE. IT IS “ALL” BY THE “GRACE” OF GOD THE FATHER, brought to us by HIMSELF, through sacrificing his only begotten son, JESUS “FOR US ALL”. SO WE ARE DEFINATELY SAVED BY “GRACE” AND THAT “NOT OF OURSELVES”.
Those who do not agree with this, are not seeking their salvation by the “GRACE” of GOD, but through their own efforts and are circumventing the “RIGHTIOUSNESS” OF GOD. IMO
peace and love to you and yours brother…………….gene
Marty
you have to understand that John 17;20 is addressed to his disciples meaning the 12 (meaning including Paul) words not yours or mine ,but theirs
hi Ed,
Should we wait for the movie?
Hi Nick, (continuing)
Sorry, but the Movie won’t be coming out until late next year.
He put on a CD about Creationism and in a short while Joe started getting restless and board.
Afterword the Pastor opened the bible to Gen.3:15 to show us Prophecies concerning Jesus. In this part
we were able to ask questions and add to the discussion. I showed the verses Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 49:16.
Gen. 3:15 talks about “Jesus’ heels” being bruised and Isaiah 49:16 is about “Jesus’ hands” being pierced.I also pointed out how Isaiah 49:16 connects directly to the meaning of the letters in God’s Name.
”Hand-Behold-Nail-Behold” … יהוה
”Behold-Graven-Palms-Hands” (Isa 49:16)Joe left when we went into the kitchen for snacks
and afterward we were suppose to come back into service area.… to be continue
Pierre:
I am also a disciple of Christ, and so, the Word of God also applies to me, and it is the Word of God that I teach not my own Words. I teach as God has taught me, and it is through His Word that is preached or taught through me that hopefully some will be saved.
Marty
you misunderstood me you and I may be disciples of Christ through his disciple but what we teach is what Jesus personal disciples told us ,and so we cannot change that
Hi Brother:
We are saved by Faith, so that it might be unmerited. We cannot earn salvation through good works or purchase it with money or any other way. It is a gift from God. We obey because we have believed with a repentant heart, and so, as the scriptures state “Faith without works is dead”. We must obey the Word of God, but even when we obey, we make mistakes, and so, without the blood that was shed for our sins, we could not be forgiven. And so, it is by grace that we are saved through faith in God’s Word.
It is good to hear from you Gene. Our goal should be that we all come into unity that we might all teach the Word of God in truth.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Miia and Nick,
It was at this point when we were in the kitchen that I asked the Preacher if he would “water baptize” me.
After he said “Yes” is when I pulled a eunuch on him (ref. Acts 8:36). I said: “I see that you have a
baptismal tank right over there, what’s preventing you from baptizing me right now?”He asked me what does water baptism mean? And I said that it symbolizes the “Gospel”
(Jesus’ death burial and Resurrection), and it is open showing that you believe the Gospel.
I asked if he would say “in Jesus Name”, after that we both want back to the baptismal tank.…in the water he asked do you believe Jesus is the Christ, and the “Son of God” – and I said “Yes”
He then said “I baptize you in Jesus name for the remission of sins” and under the water I went.
After dropping about a foot and a half down from the top of the water he quickly pulled me up.I think the tank was about 3 or 3 1/2 feet deep, and he put on fishing waiters.
(rubberized boots that go up and form into a vest, pant, and boot structure)Well that’s about it.
Nick, would you say that constitutes as a valid water baptism?
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