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Hi ED,
There is only one way.
But folks sometimes get scared and add the trinity formula.
God knows those who are His.
Nick,
I think that the phrase “in the name of” means by the authority of as it does in the statement “I arrest you in the name of the law”.
Are the disciples recorded as using the formula “in Jesus'” when they ask things of God?
I haven’t read this whole thread so I’m sure what I say may be old hat but baptism is also an interesting topic to me. The last church I was involved with was Baptist and I do realize there are many kinds of them but most don’t consider baptism essential to salvation but insist upon immersion if one is baptized.But if baptism isn’t essential to be saved then what difference does it make if one is sprinkled or dunked? If one claims baptism is an outward sign of an inward work then does it matter at all but to proclaim to your church that I believe,even though I can tell you without this show of wet flesh.In the baptist church I was involved with they made sure the soldiers going overseas were baptized before they left and it seemed like fire insurance to me and hypocritical of their doctrines.It was like we don’t believe immersion saves but since you might die in combat you must be baptized before you go.
And if physical baptism does somehow save us is that not a physical work as many say it is? That is it’s a work of the flesh that cannot save if we are not saved by works but by faith.Those who believe baptism is essential to salvation are superstitious/religious heretics yet believers should be baptized to show their faith anyway? It just seems so silly and double minded if I let myself think about it. If we must be baptized to be “saved” is it not a “magic”ritual yet the same people who insist upon this will say it doesn’t guarantee one’s personal salvation.
Hi Andrew,
Was Paul a religious heretic?
What about Peter?
Can you afford to judge the Spirit that led them?
Nick,
Sorry I didn’t make myself so clear.What I said about those who believe baptism is essential to salvation are superstitious heretics,I meant as to what many seem to think and not as to what I may believe about it.That is the Baptists who think that people who want to be official members of their church or may soon die need baptism,yet it isn’t essential to salvation since it is a work of physical flesh.My point being is it seems double minded.
And what of Paul? He seems to think at one point that one can’t attain physical resurrection without being baptized and believers can even be baptized by proxy for their unbaptized dead loved ones to insure their resurrection,yet he says Christ sent him not to baptize but to preach the gospel.If baptism is essential to salvation or resurrection then Christ surely did send Paul to baptize since that is part of the gospel of salvation or the kingdom.
Even Paul is unclear and seemingly double minded about this imo.
Does baptism guarantee salvation? If so then is the work of wet flesh whether by immersion or sprinkling or pouring a “magic”religious ritual?
Hi Andrew,
1 peter 3 and Romans 6 may provide some answers for you.
Then there is Gal 3 and 4.
Col 2.
These are some of the teachings of God to ponder
AndrewAD…..What saves us is to eat (take to ourselves) the flesh, and drink (take to ourselves) the blood of JESUS, who gave his life as a sacrifice to GOD THE FATHER, for our sins, and not ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. If you truly take his sacrifice and apply it to yourself, then you have been moved from the judgement of condemnation, to life, by the “GRACE” OF GOD, given to all those who truly believe, Judgements will still come, but not unto condemnation of life. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene
Hi Andrew,
Seek ye first the kingdom of God and everything else will be added to you.
You are in the audience listening to Peter in Acts 2.38f
Nothing has changed
Hi Nick,
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
(1)he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And
(2)whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” (John 11:25-26)#1 symbolizes water baptism
#2 symbolizes no water baptismBelievest thou this?
Hi Ed,
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
(1)he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And
(2)whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?” (John 11:25-26)Surely it means those who have been reborn from above and fallen asleep [died] will be raised to new life at his return.
Those who are believers and who have not died when he returns will never die. They will experience neither the first nor the second death.
Hi Nick, thank you for your input!
I also asked you this on the previous page…
Do you believe “water baptism” is necessary for salvation?
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God bless
Ed JEdJ,
Demons believe that Jesus is the Christ. Do you believe they eternal life?
What about this passage?
John 12:47-49Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Hi Kerwin, What about this passage…
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine
heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10:(1)For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and (2)with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:9-10)(1)”For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
(2)and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”…do you believe Rom.10:10 to be true or no?
What about this passage…
“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say
that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas:
besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17: For Christ sent me not to baptize,
but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ
should be made of none effect.” (1 Corinthians 1:14-17)……do you believe 1 Cor 1:17 to be true or no?
Hi ED,
We do not define for other what God expects of them.
But the scriptures for us specify the need to repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus.
Anyone in the kingdom can baptise others.
It does not require the gifts that Paul received to do so.
Romans 10 is written to the baptised community of Jews living in Rome.
Paul was not teaching another way of salvation but encouraging them to take baby steps in faith.
Ed,
Demons believe Jesus was raised from the dead but they are not sincere when the confess he is Lord with their mouth. Those that are sincere show that he is their Lord by their actions. He gave his disciples the command to “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” and because the were sincere in confessing him as their Lord they did so. (Matthew 28:19-20a)
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