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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2013,14:31) Quote (2besee @ Feb. 14 2013,18:10) Mike, Does God know everything that will happen before it happens?
I don't know. We know from scripture that He knows the end from the beginning. But then other scriptures are written in such a way as to suggest that God didn't know the outcome until it happened.I think God CAN know everything that will happen. But I don't think He always WANTS to know. I think that most times, He's content with watching things progress, and HOPING that this servant or that servant will end up doing the right thing.
If you could know EVERYTHING that is going to happen, would you WANT to? Wouldn't that make it rather boring just watching things you already know are going to take place? Like going to a great newly released movie – but already knowing every line, plot, twist, and ending. What fun would that be?
These are my thoughts. I have scriptures to support them if you're interested.
Hi Mike, I believe that God does indeed know everything before it happens, God even knows how many hairs on our head that we have. Why I believe this is because I was thinking about the experience of “De Javu” which I find fascinating. I believe it is things revealed to us in dreams (there is a scripture) and so then HOW is it revealed to us in a dream – it can only come from our creator.I believe that Gods' intentions is to gift to those who He knows and foreknew everlasting life.
On saying that though, we each have our own free will. God just knows who will do right and who will not.
Much more to say but, just rushing this post. Excuse any typos.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2013,07:23) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:50) Just because “and the Word was a god” may be a possible translation………….
Enough said. You have acknowledged that you cannot refute my first point.Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:50) I favor God because God is in Jesus.
Okay. I am already planning to take your favorite down the same test of verses that I'm currently taking my favorite. So, as soon as I'm done with the “Jesus” comparisons, be prepared to answer verse by verse how “God Almighty the Father” fits into each verse, okay?(I'm also going to do it with the Holy Spirit, for 2B's sake)
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:50) each and every one of the children of Israel are called gods by Scripture.
Very good. So since Jesus is actually the Lord of the “children of Israel”, what you've posted lends even more credence to Jesus being “a god” who was with THE God in the beginning.Jesus himself says as much in John 10:35-36, If he called them ‘gods,’……… what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Thanks for the help.
Mike,I did not try to refrute either of your points because I agree with their wording.
Quote Jesus himself says as much in John 10:35-36, If he called them ‘gods,’……… what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? You are correct on this one, though I suspicion we disagree on the details.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2013,07:10) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:38) Mike, It does not even make sense to say give me the glory I already have.
HAD, Kerwin. Not have. Of course someone wouldn't ask for something they already HAVE. But they could surely ask for something they HAD, which they don't currently have any longer, can't they? (Please answer this question DIRECTLY)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,18:38) You are seeing return to me the glory I had while I was with you before the world began.
YES. That is EXACTLY what I'm seeing, because that is EXACTLY what the words are saying. Glorify me NOW (again, currently, at this time) with the glory I HAD (used to have) before the world began.Kerwin, WHY are we still talking about this? Have you come up with any SCRIPTURAL support that PROHIBITS my understanding of 17:5 from being the correct one? If not, let it go. I don't really care that you, out of necessity for your doctrine, have a DIFFERENT understanding of that verse. I'm asking for scriptural proof that MY understanding CAN'T POSSIBLY BE the correct one.
If you cannot produce that, then you cannot refute my understanding. And in that case, just let it go.
Mike,I already gave you scriptural support that Jesus is speaking of the glory of his self sacrifice, resurrection, ascension, and mediation. That God knew him before he was in his mother's womb and destined him to be the Pioneer and Finisher of the gospel. Jesus had these thing with God because Gos foreknew him and prepared them for him.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2013,16:58) Quote Jesus himself says as much in John 10:35-36, If he called them ‘gods,’……… what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? You are correct on this one, though I suspicion we disagree on the details.
Kerwin……the details are, Mike left out the rest of that sentence as he does many scriptures, It say “unto whom the word of God “CAME” . Jesus was simply saying if the word of God cames to you, your are Gods Possession because He is (IN) you and His presence is there But that in no way makes you a God or a Little god either. IMO.God own Words Say there is “NO” other GOD besides HIM Mike trys to twist Scripture on that by say He meant Empathicly speaking is Just a Bunch of Garbage.
Look, all the atributes of God are seen in his creation even in animals , Just as it says “we can see the Hidden attributes of God by what is created and that includes Man, but having a “SPIRIT” attribute of God in anything, does not make them big Gods or little gods. But just His workmanship is being evidenced by those Spirit working in his creation. That workmanship evidences God only and no other God of any kind.
Jesus (THE SON of MAN) has all these seven Spirit attributes in him along with the Power to execute them in the earth when he comes. But none of that Makes him a god or GOD or Angel. There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD and He is “SOVEREIGN”. IMO
peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 15 2013,21:53) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2013,16:58) Quote Jesus himself says as much in John 10:35-36, If he called them ‘gods,’……… what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? You are correct on this one, though I suspicion we disagree on the details.
Kerwin……the details are, Mike left out the rest of that sentence as he does many scriptures, It say “unto whom the word of God “CAME” . Jesus was simply saying if the word of God cames to you, your are Gods Possession because He is (IN) you and His presence is there But that in no way makes you a God or a Little god either. IMO.God own Words Say there is “NO” other GOD besides HIM Mike trys to twist Scripture on that by say He meant Empathicly speaking is Just a Bunch of Garbage.
Look, all the atributes of God are seen in his creation even in animals , Just as it says “we can see the Hidden attributes of God by what is created and that includes Man, but having a “SPIRIT” attribute of God in anything, does not make them big Gods or little gods. But just His workmanship is being evidenced by those Spirit working in his creation. That workmanship evidences God only and no other God of any kind.
Jesus (THE SON of MAN) has all these seven Spirit attributes in him along with the Power to execute them in the earth when he comes. But none of that Makes him a god or GOD or Angel. There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD and He is “SOVEREIGN”. IMO
peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………….gene
Gene,God is not a reserved word.
Like many words its meaning is fluid.
The ' ' were added by some translators but do not exist in the original languages.
The children of Israel are gods because they are the children of the most high. They are the children of God because they received the Law through the mediation of angels. It is the Law that Jesus calls the Word.
I am not going to confuse their being named gods with Jehovah being named God as the contexts are completely different.
It is possible Mike does confuse messengers being called gods with Jehovah being called God as he seems to believe messengers are the same kind as Jehovah. That may be the issue you are trying to address by denying that scripture speaks of others that are called god for one reason or another.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 14 2013,21:32) but we do not “now” see man crowned with glory and honor and all things under his feet,
Actually Gene, it says: In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.God subjected the world to man, Gene. He made all things on earth subject to human beings.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”Man has been crowned with this glory from the very beginning. It was a gift from God.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2013,00:07) Mike, I already gave you scriptural support that Jesus is speaking of the glory of his self sacrifice, resurrection, ascension, and mediation.
No you didn't, because there is no scriptural support for such an asinine claim.You version (which I once again reiterate is because your doctrine won't allow you to accept the sane version) is that God was “holding” some glory for Jesus – for when Jesus had completed his mission. And then Jesus asked to be blessed with the glory God had been “holding” for him.
Kerwin, Jesus would have never called such a glory “the glory I HAD. If he didn't yet exist, he didn't yet HAVE glory.
So what you WANT it to say is, Glorify me now with the glory YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING FOR ME. Kerwin, it DOESN'T say that, DOES IT? ? ? ? ?
Now, it is CRYSTAL CLEAR to all who are reading this thread that you CANNOT POSSIBLY fault the understanding I gather from the words of 17:5.
If you cannot fault that understanding, then you cannot REFUTE that understanding. And THAT is what I'm asking for…………… SCRIPTURAL REBUTTAL. You have none, so LET IT GO.
I have now listed TEN things that are said about “the Word”, that are ALSO said about “Jesus”. And I'm only about half way home. So what about these other NINE things, Kerwin? Is it just “coincidence” that the very same things are said about “the Word” that are said elsewhere about “Jesus”?
Let 17:5 go, because you cannot possibly refute my understanding of it. Then, just sit back and LISTEN to the REST of the comparisons, okay?
Don't worry, you'll get your shot when I replace all the pronouns of John 1 with “God the Father Himself”. Then we'll see how many of those actually fit. Right now, it's MY time. Let me continue on with my comparisons until you actually DO have something you can scripturally refute.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 15 2013,09:53) Jesus was simply saying if the word of God cames to you, your are Gods Possession because He is (IN) you and His presence is there But that in no way makes you a God or a Little god either.
So then the fact that Jehovah Himself called them gods is of no consequence to you, Gene? Mike, Jehovah Himself called them gods, but that in no way makes them gods!Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 15 2013,09:53) God own Words Say there is “NO” other GOD besides HIM Mike trys to twist Scripture on that by say He meant Empathicly speaking is Just a Bunch of Garbage
Actually Gene, Jehovah says there is no other ELOHIM besides Him. Now, does Jehovah Himself call those to whom the word of God came “elohim”? YES or NO?Does Jehovah Himself call Satan “the elohim of Ekron”? YES or NO?
Does Jehovah Himself say He will render judgement upon “the elohim of Egypt”? YES or NO?
There are about 50 other scriptures I could quote, where Jehovah Himself refers to OTHER elohim.
Gene, how can Jehovah be the “Elohim of elohim” if there ARE no other elohim for Him to be the Elohim OF? PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION THIS TIME.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2013,17:38) It is possible Mike does confuse messengers being called gods with Jehovah being called God as he seems to believe messengers are the same kind as Jehovah.
Really Kerwin? What a cheap shot.I most definitely know the difference between the MOST HIGH elohim, Jehovah, and the other elohim He created.
And yes, they ARE the “same kind” in MANY ways. Can they talk? Can they see? Are they spirit beings? Are they holy?
This is just a list off the top of my head. They are the “same kind” in MANY ways.
You know I'm right about what I'm telling Gene. And you agree with me about it. So don't try to cast a shadow over me with some crap like that, okay?
Mike……… They are the Gods of (THOSE PEOPLE) but they are “FALSE” Gods, can't you understand that? What is interesting you use big Elohims and Little Elohims as if in scripture that is they way they are translated , But you produce No Scripture that say there a rendering of little elohims or Bid Elohims. You don't even mention God was refering to the False God that other create and think are like him. Just because a Person or Sprit has an atribute of God does not in any way make him, her, or it a God or god. Only in the mind of the person who create them are they Gods or gods. IMO
If you are going to make a point of uppercase Gods and Lower case gods you need to prove it by scriptures . I have Quoted God the only “TRUE” God's words, you neither accept them nor reject them but simply add you thought into the mix. The is forcing the text to read the way you want it to Mike. Show ONE Scripture that say there are two different types of Gods a Real GOD and an Empathic one that is simply a word you use to creat you false assumption as to what scripture really means. IMO
peace and llove to you and yours………………………………………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,14:38) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 14 2013,21:32) but we do not “now” see man crowned with glory and honor and all things under his feet,
Actually Gene, it says: In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.God subjected the world to man, Gene. He made all things on earth subject to human beings.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”Man has been crowned with this glory from the very beginning. It was a gift from God.
Mike………Do you believe EVERYTHING is under (HIM) Mankind is the one being mentioned there , and the rest Mike it say in that he says “ALL” Thing are under the foot of man there is “nothing that is not under the Foot of ManAnother point it say we do not “YET SEE all thing under his Foot, but going on Mike it say Jesus was also, as we are Made a little lower then the Angels , and He has NOW received GLORY and HONOR and ALL Things UNDERS HIS FEET . That whole thing was to give us a example of what is in store for all mankind. That is Clear Mike.
Paul say a Man is buried in dishonor and weakness, but was raised with power and Glory . Jesus was buried with dishonor and in weakness Just as we are and is “NOW” Raised with that same power and Glory and Honor as all true believers will have in the resurrection. We are Heirs and Joint Heirs with Jesus of all things Both in heaven and on earth. It is God's Plan for all mankind to become sons and daughters of his and to given them an everlasting inheritance with Jesus our Lord. His plan is to deliver “ALL” Creation form the Bondage of Corruption we are told.
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,10:11) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2013,17:38) It is possible Mike does confuse messengers being called gods with Jehovah being called God as he seems to believe messengers are the same kind as Jehovah.
Really Kerwin? What a cheap shot.I most definitely know the difference between the MOST HIGH elohim, Jehovah, and the other elohim He created.
And yes, they ARE the “same kind” in MANY ways. Can they talk? Can they see? Are they spirit beings? Are they holy?
This is just a list off the top of my head. They are the “same kind” in MANY ways.
You know I'm right about what I'm telling Gene. And you agree with me about it. So don't try to cast a shadow over me with some crap like that, okay?
Mike,You give that impression by your words. Gene, Ed and others answer that impression emotionally by quoting Jehovah where he states he is the only GOD. You respond by pointing out that scripture speaks of many gods that are on earth and in heaven.
How do you advance the conversation by clearing up the misunderstanding?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 16 2013,09:17) Mike……… They are the Gods of (THOSE PEOPLE) but they are “FALSE” Gods, can't you understand that?
Just show me where the Bible says that, and I'll believe it, Gene.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 16 2013,09:17) What is interesting you use big Elohims and Little Elohims as if in scripture that is they way they are translated , But you produce No Scripture that say there a rendering of little elohims or Bid Elohims.
Genesis 14:19
and he blessed Abram, saying,“Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth.The fact that Jehovah, the Creator of heaven and earth, is the MOST HIGH Elohim implies that there MUST BE “less high elohim”. Otherwise the title MOST HIGH Elohim would be senseless and useless.
1. Are you able to understand this scriptural fact, Gene?
Deuteronomy 10:17
For Jehovah your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.The title “Elohim OF elohim” implies that there MUST BE other elohim that Jehovah is the Elohim OF.
2. Are you able to understand this scriptural fact, Gene?
The title “Lord OF lords” implies that there MUST BE other lords that Jehovah is the Lord OF.
3. Are you abel to understand this scriptural fact, Gene?
Now I have asked you THREE simple questions. Here are the possible answers:
1. YES Mike, I AM abel to understand these scriptural facts.
2. NO Mike, I AM TOO STUPID to understand these scriptural facts.
3. YES Mike, I DO understand those scriptural words, but since I don't WANT there to exist other elohim besides Jehovah, I will continue to PRETEND that those words simply don't exist in the scriptures.
4. Mike, I AM able to understand question #3, because I accept that Jehovah is not LITERALLY the ONLY Lord in existence, and that there ARE other lords that Jeohvah is the Lord OF. But I REFUSE TO understand questions #1 and #2, even though they are identical in concept to #3, simply because I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE other elohim.
Gene, I will rule out #2, because no one here believes you are a stupid man. That leaves #1, #3, and #4. Which is the correct answer?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 16 2013,09:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,14:38) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 14 2013,21:32) but we do not “now” see man crowned with glory and honor and all things under his feet,
Actually Gene, it says: In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.God subjected the world to man, Gene. He made all things on earth subject to human beings.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”Man has been crowned with this glory from the very beginning. It was a gift from God.
Mike………Do you believe EVERYTHING is under (HIM) Mankind is the one being mentioned there…………
Gene, I have shown you SCRIPTURES to refute every claim you make – but you won't accept them. What am I to do?Your original point was: Since man is said to have been crowned (past tense) with glory, but has not yet really been crowned with glory, the glory Jesus talks about having in John 17:5, though rendered as a past tense, could be a glory Jesus was WAITING FOR.
But my scriptures show you that man ALREADY HAS BEEN crowned with glory from God, and so your “rebuttal” doesn't really apply.
In other words, your “rebuttal” has been scripturally refuted. Try a different avenue.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 16 2013,12:47) Gene, Ed and others answer that impression emotionally by quoting Jehovah where he states he is the only GOD. You respond by pointing out that scripture speaks of many gods that are on earth and in heaven. How do you advance the conversation by clearing up the misunderstanding?
I'm WORKING ON IT, Kerwin. Why don't you continue to help? (Is it because you've now experienced what I often do – that these guys simply don't CARE what the scriptures actually teach?)I've pointed out MANY scriptures in the “Indeed there ARE many gods” thread.
I've made comparisons to other EMPHATICAL statements in the Bible, like where Jesus says “only God is good” – when it is clear that Jesus and others are also “good”.
And now I'm RE-pointing out that the scriptures don't say Jehovah is the only “GOD” – like you've stated. Instead, Jehovah says there is no “ELOHIM” besides Him – when in fact, the scriptures are LOADED with other elohim. Surely this ought to prove that His statement was EMPHATICAL, and not LITERAL, right? But no…………. they don't WANT to hear the TRUTH of the scriptures – because they've already got their minds made up on the matter.
You tell me what else I should do.
So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:
1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars, plus the simple FACT that it CAN be translated that way.)
2. And the Word was a god: (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. He was with God in the beginning: (John 17:5)
4. All things were made through him: (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
5. In him was life, and that life was the light of men: (John 5:26, John 8:12)
6. The light shines in the darkness: (Matthew 4:16, 2 Corinthians 4:6)
7. John the Baptist came as a witness to testify concerning that light: (John 1:29-34; 3:26; 5:32-36)
8. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world: (Isaiah 42:6-7; John 9:5, 12:35-36, 46; Luke 1:78-79)
9. Though he was in the world, the world did not recognize him: (Isaiah 53:3, John 4:10, Acts 13:27, John 12:37-38, 1 John 3:1)
Moving on…………….
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Supporting scriptures:
Colossians 1:16
….all things were created through him and for him.Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father……..John 3:35
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.John 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands……….John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine……..Ephesians 1:10
…to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.Hebrews 1:2
…..whom he hath appointed heir of all things…..Those should suffice to show that Jesus came to that which was his own.
Luke 9:53
And they did not receive him………….John 5:43
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me……….Acts 13:46
We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it…. we now turn to the Gentiles.And those, along with the entire NT, should show that Jesus was not received for who he was by the vast majority.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 17 2013,09:50) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 16 2013,12:47) Gene, Ed and others answer that impression emotionally by quoting Jehovah where he states he is the only GOD. You respond by pointing out that scripture speaks of many gods that are on earth and in heaven. How do you advance the conversation by clearing up the misunderstanding?
I'm WORKING ON IT, Kerwin. Why don't you continue to help? (Is it because you've now experienced what I often do – that these guys simply don't CARE what the scriptures actually teach?)I've pointed out MANY scriptures in the “Indeed there ARE many gods” thread.
I've made comparisons to other EMPHATICAL statements in the Bible, like where Jesus says “only God is good” – when it is clear that Jesus and others are also “good”.
And now I'm RE-pointing out that the scriptures don't say Jehovah is the only “GOD” – like you've stated. Instead, Jehovah says there is no “ELOHIM” besides Him – when in fact, the scriptures are LOADED with other elohim. Surely this ought to prove that His statement was EMPHATICAL, and not LITERAL, right? But no…………. they don't WANT to hear the TRUTH of the scriptures – because they've already got their minds made up on the matter.
You tell me what else I should do.
Mike, perhaps it is that Gene and Ed etc, believe as scriptures state that there is only one God (TO US) despite what other may say, much like if we were to argue that there are many Jesus' (those with that name) but to us, there is only one who is JESUS, and if people would argue that, no, there are many Jesus'!, then their answer would be “NO – there is only ONE JESUS”, and so it would go on.
The debate right from the beginning of time is how many is “GOD” and God said to them and still even through Jesus says the same thing “There is only ONE God”
'For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.”
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 17 2013,11:36) So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted: 1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars, plus the simple FACT that it CAN be translated that way.)
2. And the Word was a god: (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. He was with God in the beginning: (John 17:5)
4. All things were made through him: (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
5. In him was life, and that life was the light of men: (John 5:26, John 8:12)
6. The light shines in the darkness: (Matthew 4:16, 2 Corinthians 4:6)
7. John the Baptist came as a witness to testify concerning that light: (John 1:29-34; 3:26; 5:32-36)
8. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world: (Isaiah 42:6-7; John 9:5, 12:35-36, 46; Luke 1:78-79)
9. Though he was in the world, the world did not recognize him: (Isaiah 53:3, John 4:10, Acts 13:27, John 12:37-38, 1 John 3:1)
Moving on…………….
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Supporting scriptures:
Colossians 1:16
….all things were created through him and for him.Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father……..John 3:35
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.John 13:3
Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands……….John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine……..Ephesians 1:10
…to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.Hebrews 1:2
…..whom he hath appointed heir of all things…..Those should suffice to show that Jesus came to that which was his own.
Luke 9:53
And they did not receive him………….John 5:43
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me……….Acts 13:46
We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it…. we now turn to the Gentiles.And those, along with the entire NT, should show that Jesus was not received for who he was by the vast majority.
Mike,All of these verses can be understood IF you understand the Son to be the (eternal) Holy Spirit, with the Son Jesus.
As for those verses that cannot be understood (usually Paul's writing) then, we search for the issue with the wording. But that takes a long time and the spirit gives us understanding, instead.
Often times the spirit prompts us to seek out an error in translation as happened to me regarding eternal torment, which is translated wrong. Now, if that was 'no big deal' – you wanna bet it is a big deal. Do you know how many people have given up their faith due to that 'translation issue'?
But, seeking out translation errors with Paul's writing is time consuming and also tends to diminish the spirit in us gaining an accurate understanding.
Who was the God who spoke and appeared in the OT?
The Holy Spirit (Son).
Did it mean He was a second God whilst the other was in Heaven?
No!
He was the very spirit of God – the one God.
Who was the word?
God's own spoken word.Jesus was the anointed one, our Teacher, and our Lord, the firstborn from the Dead. Our saviour. He spoke the words of God as was spoken by The Holy Spirit that was in Him. When He spoke, He spoke with power. He was the true Light which came into the World. The World was made through Him (The Holy Spirit and Father), but, sadly, the World knew Him not. But to all of those who believed in Him (Jesus working under the power and influence of the Holy Spirit that was in Him) He gave power to become Sons of God.
Amen.
Think about it……….. If you could speak with the power and the authority or the Spirit, would you? Well, Jesus – He had the spirit WITHOUT MEASURE! The Spirit gives us insights into things. The Spirit leads us into all truth. The Spirit is the power who works in us if we allow it but these days it is so hard for that spirit to be working – there are too many distractions idols and sin.
Jesus the man was the PERFECT VESSEL.
God knew all about Him, before hand.Now, if you could speak through the Spirit, as Jesus did, how would you speak? What would be your mode?
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