In the Beginning

[mikeboll64]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,22:08)

Therefore Jesus the man and the Holy Spirit/Son became as one.

Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth……….”

How can Jesus be “full of joy through the Holy Spirit” if Jesus WAS the Holy Spirit?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2013,04:04)

Mike, Philo of Alexander is said to have called Divine Wisdom the daughter of God. Other writings from the First Century and before did the same thing. None are inferring Divine wisdom is a being.

Kerwin,

Did wisdom become flesh, and dwell among mankind on earth, displaying the glory of the daughter of God? Was she seen with human eyes, and touched with human hands?

Do you now agree with 2B, that the Word of God is the Holy Spirit of God, who is in turn the Son of God? If so, say so, and I will derail this discussion about John 1 for a while longer, and scripturally show you guys this cannot be the case.

If however, you DON'T believe these things, then why would you want to encourage 2B in this false belief?

Please let me know whether or not you believe the Holy Spirit of God is the Son of God, who is also called the Word of God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,06:30)

Hi Mike, If you mean “El-o-heem's” then “Yes”, but the English word 'gods' was not written in Hebrew so 'No'. We have been through this many times now: The Hebrew word El-o-heem defines as FOUR different (translatable) words into English

So you have then answered the question, Ed.

If Jehovah said He was the ONLY elohim, yet there are OTHER elohim, it must have been an EMPHATICAL statement designed to emphasize Jehovah's status OVER these other elohim.

Well done, Ed.

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,20:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2013,14:26) 2bee well what is the holy spirit ,it his not a being it s a tool , Hi Pierre, Is your spirit your tool?  “Yes” or “No”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

No ,because I am not God and I am human ,but my tools would be in your presence ;my loud voice,my facial looks,my repeating orders to you,if nothing works ,fired.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,06:52)

1) No I didn't.  You asked me a question – something like:  “Do you think that Jesus was NOT a Good person?” “Yes or no?”     …I responded “No” to that question.

I don't have the time or patience for the “Guess what my answer really is” game, Ed.

Do you think Jesus was a good person?  YES or NO?

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,06:52)

2) In Genesis, “GOD” calls his creation “Good”.

Well done again, Ed.  How can God be the ONLY good thing in existence, if He Himself called His creation “good”?

I guess “only God is good” was another case of an EMPHATICAL statement, designed to emphasize the goodness of God OVER any other good thing in existence.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,07:21)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,14:08) (2) Jehovah said that besides Him, there were no elohim. Hi Mike, 2) Yes, “YHVH is GOD” and there is no other “GOD”.

No Ed. He said, “Besides me, there is no elohim“. Now, was that a LITERAL statement? Or was Jehovah speaking EMPHATICALLY – since we all know there actually WERE other elohim?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,07:33)

Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1) Is Jesus called a god in Heb 1:8-9? Jesus is not called “Theos” in the Greek portion of the bible, Jesus is not called “El-oheem” in the Hebrew portion of the bible, and Jesus is not called 'a god' in the bible; you are pushing FALSE DOCTRINE.

Hebrews 1 AKJV
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

According to your AKJV, did God say to His Son, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”? YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Gene,

You've been silent lately. Do you agree with Kerwin that Jesus is EVIL because “only God is good”?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,06:30) Hi Mike, If you mean “El-o-heem's” then “Yes”, but the English word 'gods' was not written in Hebrew so 'No'. We have been through this many times now: The Hebrew word El-o-heem defines as FOUR different (translatable) words into English (1) So you have then answered the question, Ed. (2) If Jehovah said He was the ONLY elohim, yet there are OTHER elohim, it must have been an EMPHATICAL statement designed to emphasize Jehovah's status OVER these other elohim. Well done, Ed.

Hi Mike,

1) Yes, of course.

2) “GOD” is above JUDGES, ANGELS, and even so-called 'false gods'.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2013,02:06)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,20:10) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2013,14:26) 2bee well what is the holy spirit ,it his not a being it s a tool , Hi Pierre, Is your spirit your tool?  “Yes” or “No”? God bless Ed J edj No ,because I am not God and I am human ,but my tools would be in your presence ;my loud voice,my facial looks,my repeating orders to you,if nothing works ,fired.

Hi Pierre,

If you were created in God's image, why is your spirit not your tool?
Saying you are not God is not an answer; so try again.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:20)

2) “GOD” is above JUDGES, ANGELS, and even so-called 'false gods'.

The word Jehovah used was “elohim”, Ed. Not “GOD”.

Ed, we are talking in the other thread about whether or not you are truly seeking scriptural truth. Here is your chance to prove that you are:

Did Jehovah say that besides Him, there were no elohim? YES or NO?

And WERE THERE other elohim when He said those words? YES or NO?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:09)

1) I don't have the time or patience for the “Guess what my answer really is” game, Ed. Do you think Jesus was a good person?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

1) No?
2) Yes

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:09)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,06:52) 1) No I didn't.  You asked me a question – something like:  “Do you think that Jesus was NOT a Good person?” “Yes or no?”     …I responded “No” to that question. I don't have the time or patience for the “Guess what my answer really is” game, Ed. Do you think Jesus was a good person?  YES or NO? Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,06:52) 2) In Genesis, “GOD” calls his creation “Good”. Well done again, Ed.  How can God be the ONLY good thing in existence, if He Himself called His creation “good”? I guess “only God is good” was another case of an EMPHATICAL statement, designed to emphasize the goodness of God OVER any other good thing in existence.

Hi Mike,

You clipped my answer and then re-ask as if I hadn't answered.

2) In Genesis, “GOD” calls his creation “Good”.
When Jesus said only “GOD” is good – he was inferring to He Himself
taking 'Lucifer down, because of what Jesus composition or makeup in the flesh was:
Jesus had the entirety of the GodHead housed in his being, us, and also 'Lucifer'.  Read more at this link:   (Link)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:12)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,07:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,14:08) (2) Jehovah said that besides Him, there were no elohim. Hi Mike, 2) Yes, “YHVH is GOD” and there is no other “GOD”. No Ed.  He said, “Besides me, there is no elohim“.  Now, was that a LITERAL statement?  Or was Jehovah speaking EMPHATICALLY – since we all know there actually WERE other elohim?

Hi Mike,

EL-o-heem in that verse translates to English as gods; are you saying this is untrue?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,07:33) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) 1) Is Jesus called a god in Heb 1:8-9? Jesus is not called “Theos” in the Greek portion of the bible, Jesus is not called “El-oheem” in the Hebrew portion of the bible, and Jesus is not called 'a god' in the bible; you are pushing FALSE DOCTRINE. Hebrews 1 AKJV 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. According to your AKJV, did God say to His Son, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike, (trying to play the yes/no card will never work)  (Link)

You need to understand you bible as whole,
instead you swallow a camel and straining at a gnat.

               Shaool was quoting Psalms 45:6-7:

“Thy throne, O God (YHVH), is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
 Thou(to the son he saith) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God(YHVH), thy God(YHVH),
 hath anointed thee(Mäh-shē-äkh) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Psalms 45:6-7)

“Thy throne, O God(YHVH), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 Thou(to the son he saith) hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God(YHVH), even thy God(YHVH),
 hath anointed thee(Mäh-shē-äkh) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.”  (Heb 1:8-9)

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You are doing what others attempt to do with John 20:28:

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”  (John 20:28)

Thomas is not calling Jesus God, and neither is Shaool in the book of Hebrews.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

No Ed,

You are just playing your stupid games again.  I pointed out that you said in one of your posts that Jesus was a good person.

And then you, being the little kid that you sometimes are, addressed that comment with:

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,06:52)

1) No I didn't.  You asked me a question – something like:  “Do you think that Jesus was NOT a Good person?” “Yes or no?”     …I responded “No” to that question.

So then, I had to ask you POINT BLANK if you believe Jesus was a good person – because of your stupid games.

And after I asked point blank, I get this crap:

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:29)

You clipped my answer and then re-ask as if I hadn't answered.

I have accepted that you DO think Jesus was a good person.  I also assume that by accepting this fact of scripture, you realize that “only God is good” was an EMPHATICAL statement made by Jesus, designed to place the GREATER goodness of God above his own goodness in the eyes of the one who called him “good teacher”.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:31)

Hi Mike, EL-o-heem in that verse translates to English as gods; are you saying this is untrue?

Ed,

1. Did Jehovah say He was the ONLY elohim? YES or NO?

2. Was Jehovah LITERALLY the ONLY elohim? YES or NO?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:48)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:16) Hebrews 1 AKJV 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: “Thy throne, O God (YHVH), is for ever and ever:

I noticed you left out the part where Jehovah said those words TO His Son.

Why would Jehovah say TO HIS SON, “Your throne, O Jehovah, is forever and ever”?

Ed, you are shameless when it comes to purposely mangling common sense sentences in order to force them around your own doctrine.  You do the same with John 1, where you claim that the subject just ups and changes from the Word to Jesus, with no hint of such a thing in John's words.

You also do it with many other scriptures.  (See my last post to you in the “ISM” thread, where I've just refuted yet another ludicrous explanation of yours.)

Look, if you want to play games with the scriptures, and PRETEND that simple and clear sentences mean totally ludicrous things, I can't stop you.  

At any rate, I will suffice to say that Jesus IS most definitely called a god in more than one scripture, and if you would rather re-arrange the words of the scriptures in asinine ways than to accept this scriptural fact, I can't stop you.  But neither is there any reason for me to go on with you in this discussion.  For you have once again become the boy who insists the grass is blue and the sky is green – despite all evidence to the contrary.  And as you know from previous discussions, the minute you become that little boy is the minute I walk away from you.

2B and Kerwin both accept the fact that Jesus is called “god” in scriptures.  You and Gene can fight reality all you want, but I'm not wasting any more of my time on you two in this matter.

Anyway, now that it is settled with all the thinking people of this thread that Jesus is called a god in scripture, we can either move on with my dissection of John 1, or we can hammer this “Holy Spirit is the Son of God” thing home, until we are all convinced it has been solidly and scripturally refuted.  Which one shall we do 2B?  Kerwin?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,02:25)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 10 2013,09:20) 2) “GOD” is above JUDGES, ANGELS, and even so-called 'false gods'. The word Jehovah used was “elohim”, Ed.  Not “GOD”. Ed, we are talking in the other thread about whether or not you are truly seeking scriptural truth.  Here is your chance to prove that you are: (B)Did Jehovah say that besides Him, there were no elohim?  YES or NO? (A)And WERE THERE other elohim when He said those words?  YES or NO?

Hi Mike,

A) Are you forgetting so soon that “EL-o-heem” translats into each of those four separate and distinct meanings?

1. “GOD”
2. Angels
3. “Judges”
4. False gods

Hey WOW,
if you were to read that as a sentence it would says:
GOD and his Angels Judges False gods.

B) No gods(EL-o-heem) [which are false] besides our true “GOD”(EL-o-heem) JEHOVAH.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 11 2013,03:38)

No Ed, I have accepted that you DO think Jesus was a good person.  I also assume that by accepting this fact of scripture, you realize that “only God is good” was an EMPHATICAL statement made by Jesus, designed to place the GREATER goodness of God above his own goodness in the eyes of the one who called him “good teacher”.

Hi Mike,

I told you the answer, if you don't accept it so be it.
But I have studied this, and apparently you haven't.

Trying to get me to agree to your rudimentary logic is not the way this will go,
instead the elements will burn (meaning rudimentary logic).

Name calling will not work.  (Link)
Do you consider me a Good Teacher?  “Yes” or “No”

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Note: “I don't know” is acceptable  

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