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Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,13:30) Hi Pierre, Can you re-post those three Scripture and tell me what you believe them to to be supporting.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjno .you answer to Mike or not I am not going been dragged away ,
its up to you
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2013,08:46) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2013,20:29) To Kerwin …….. Brother Here is what I am referring to ….Rev 1:4..John to the seven churches what are in Asia: Grace unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come: (Now notice Kerwin) and from the seven “Spirits” which are “Before” his throne Verse 5…..> and from Jesus Christ …..> So three thing are mentioned there, from Him who is (YAHWEH) , and The seven “SPIRITS, and from Jesus the Christ.
And Notice the Seven Spirits “ARE” before His (YAHWEH)'s “throne. They are not YAHWEH or Jesus and they are before the Throne.
There is more……….Rev 4:5…….And out of the throne proceeded lightings and thunderings and voices: and seven lamps of fire (intellects of Judgments) which “ARE” the seven Spirit of God.
(intellects or Judgments) are my insert because to me Lamps mean (intelligences that illuminate the mind and Fire in scripture means intense Judgment)
But there is also more……> Rev 5:6 ….> And i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven “horns “AND” seven eyes, “WHICH ARE” the “seven Spirits” of God (now notice also) sent out into “ALL” the “earth”.
In conclusion the seven Spirit are before the throne of YAHWEH and the Seven Spirit are what compose GOD. Therefore ELOHIM which is our Word for GOD is a “UNI-PLURAL” WORD and God consists of all Seven Spirits and that is the “LET US Create Man” spoken of in Genesis.
These Spirit are sent forth into all the earth they go to and fro through out the earth because they are in the creation of all the earth every animal or living flesh that exists has Spirit in them or they simply could not exist. Spirit “IS” what LIFE “IS” they come in “TYPES” and “KINDS”. The HOLY SPIRIT is a Special Spirt The word Holy means (SETAPART) or SPECIAl , So the holy Spirit is a Special setapart Spirit of God.
The key is to understand what a Spirits really “ARE”, IMO Brother.
peace and love to you and yours Kerwin………………..gene
Gene,I followed you until you stated “the Seven Spirit are what compose GOD”.
The seven candlesticks are mentioned in the Law.
Hi all,
I am reading a book called “Visions Beyond The Veil” which is about homeless children and orphans in China who were taken into a rescue Mission. they were unlearned & uneducated, but for weeks, they had visions of Heaven, etc.
So, this is what I am reading now and it is to do with the seven lamps.
It says (page 34)
“In the first days of the outpouring of the spirit one small boy spoke in pure prophecy when in Spirit he seemed to be in heaven at the feet of Jesus. The Lord spoke through him in first person clearing up many things the children did not understand and telling them, how to tarry and how to seek the Spirit. At the time the Lord said, “When the Spirit is in your midst do not open your eyes, for that will hinder. The Holy Spirit will descend to give you power to preach the Gospel, to cast out demons, and to heal the sick. The Holy Spirit is in seven colors – red, blue, and other colors.” One of the older boys then said that when the Spirit had been upon him he had seen a great red light and other colors. The word from the Lord explained this to him and others who had seen different colors. Of course I know light is made up of seven colors, but I had never thought of the seven lamps before the throne of God as being seven colors. All light comes from God, and God is light………………………..Through these manifestations and revelations, these one-time-begger children in this dark land on this dark earth knew beyond a doubt that in New Jerusalem in heaven “The city has no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine in it; for the glory of God lightens it and the Lamb is the light thereof.”
Peace.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,18:33) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,13:30) Hi Pierre, Can you re-post those three Scripture and tell me what you believe them to to be supporting.
God bless
Ed J
edjno .you answer to Mike or not I am not going been dragged away ,
its up to you
Hi Pierre,I'm not aware of any questions that Mike has asked me to answer either?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2013,06:46) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2013,20:29) To Kerwin …….. Brother Here is what I am referring to ….Rev 1:4..John to the seven churches what are in Asia: Grace unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come: (Now notice Kerwin) and from the seven “Spirits” which are “Before” his throne Verse 5…..> and from Jesus Christ …..> So three thing are mentioned there, from Him who is (YAHWEH) , and The seven “SPIRITS, and from Jesus the Christ.
And Notice the Seven Spirits “ARE” before His (YAHWEH)'s “throne. They are not YAHWEH or Jesus and they are before the Throne.
There is more……….Rev 4:5…….And out of the throne proceeded lightings and thunderings and voices: and seven lamps of fire (intellects of Judgments) which “ARE” the seven Spirit of God.
(intellects or Judgments) are my insert because to me Lamps mean (intelligences that illuminate the mind and Fire in scripture means intense Judgment)
But there is also more……> Rev 5:6 ….> And i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven “horns “AND” seven eyes, “WHICH ARE” the “seven Spirits” of God (now notice also) sent out into “ALL” the “earth”.
In conclusion the seven Spirit are before the throne of YAHWEH and the Seven Spirit are what compose GOD. Therefore ELOHIM which is our Word for GOD is a “UNI-PLURAL” WORD and God consists of all Seven Spirits and that is the “LET US Create Man” spoken of in Genesis.
These Spirit are sent forth into all the earth they go to and fro through out the earth because they are in the creation of all the earth every animal or living flesh that exists has Spirit in them or they simply could not exist. Spirit “IS” what LIFE “IS” they come in “TYPES” and “KINDS”. The HOLY SPIRIT is a Special Spirt The word Holy means (SETAPART) or SPECIAl , So the holy Spirit is a Special setapart Spirit of God.
The key is to understand what a Spirits really “ARE”, IMO Brother.
peace and love to you and yours Kerwin………………..gene
Gene,I followed you until you stated “the Seven Spirit are what compose GOD”.
The seven candlesticks are mentioned in the Law.
Kerwin ……. YAHWEH. Is our ELOHIM or GOD. That one God is composed of Seven Spirits, which are called the seven spirits of God.
YEHWEH is not those seven spirits , He is the one behind them and sends them out into all the earth to create and give life to his creationTherefore it says Here “O” Israel the YEHWEH our ELOHIM is ” ONE” YEHWEH notice it doesn't say “ONE GOD” but “ONE ELOHIM”. WHY, because GOD is composed of more then one , God is composed of SEVEN SPIRITS, is why I believe it does not include ELOHIM as ONE.
I have used this metaphor here before , I will use it again to try to get my point across . Lets say a man held a gun in his hand and it had seven bullets in it. Now lets look at the overall picture.
We have (ONE) GUN i.e. GOD, which contains SEVEN BULLETS i.e. SEVEN SPIRITS of the “ONE” GOD. BUT the one in CONTROL is the man i.e. YEHWEH, who really has the power to control and discharge the gun and send out the bullets with power ” SPIRITS” out with power i.e. YAHWEH or the LORD. This is just a metaphor of course , so don't go nuts on me Pierre.
Kerwin , I tell you brother the biggest thing is to understand what a spirit is. A spirit is In my opinion in its simplest term is just types and kinds of cognate intellects , and they are useless to accomplish any thing unless they have power behind them. They are what cognate thought is, another words what life (cognate awareness) itself is, they illuminate our minds
It's like this, I think I will was my car , so with my intellect my spirit I know what I want to do, but to do it it takes more, some kind of power to accomplish that task it takes my “body” the power source. So we can see it not only takes my thoughts ( spirit) but (power) also. So it is with the “seven spirits” of the one God.
Therefore it says in Rev. The lamb ( Jesus) having seven eyes (intellects giving him cognate awarenesses of GOD ) which are the seven spirits of God “AND” seven “horns” (powers) to execute those spirits on this earth when he ( Jesus) or the Lamb of GOD returns.
The seven spirits of God give the cognate judgements of God they kindle a fire (intense) judgement , remember where it say our God is a “CONSUMING FIRE” IMO
peace and love to you and yours Kerwin, and to you also PIerre……………………..gene
Gene,
Composed is not a good word to use for what I believe you mean. God's Spirit is outlined in several aspects. Each of these aspects is itself called “a spirit” but there is only one Spirit. I do not see these sub-spirits being eyes as eyes observe and spirits bear fruit.
In Job 1 Yawheh asks Satan “Hast thou considered my servant Job…” Those words make Satan appear to be an “eye” of God.
Yawheh is our Gods, Yawheh is one is a literal translation that ignores the difference between Hebrew and English speaking conventions. In addition the surrounding nations had Gods instead of one God.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 06 2013,06:31) Gene, Composed is not a good word to use for what I believe you mean. God's Spirit is outlined in several aspects. Each of these aspects is itself called “a spirit” but there is only one Spirit. I do not see these sub-spirits being eyes as eyes observe and spirits bear fruit.
In Job 1 Yawheh asks Satan “Hast thou considered my servant Job…” Those words make Satan appear to be an “eye” of God.
Yawheh is our Gods, Yawheh is one is a literal translation that ignores the difference between Hebrew and English speaking conventions. In addition the surrounding nations had Gods instead of one God.
Kerwin ………I my opinion there is no “sub..” Just spirits which come in types and kinds. There may an endless number of them, each has a aspect of life they give and produce in a physical body. Similar to our body members are not sub parts they are part of the whole body each member produces it's own particular effect of the whole body.Our God YAHWEH in scripture uses these seven distinct spirits each of these seven are just as important as the others are , in the life of all creation. YAHWEH uses these seven spirits to form his will they are what gives him his councIl. Just as it says “God does all things after the council of “his Will” that. “Council” is derive from those seven spirits which each equally important in all of YAHWEH'S decisions.
Kerwin I am still trying to get it completely right , but this is how it now appears to me . Some things may have to be adjusted so I am open for that brother. My hope is God the Father will give us all clearer understanding about this. I believe, Spirit is spirit no matter what kind or Type they are, they are still just spirit and render their individual aspect of cognate thought which they produce in a person they are what life itself is. No flesh can have any Life without spirit being active in it it is its very life it is living. Spirit never dies either I also believe, it just leaves or separates from a dead body and returns to its source. To God the Father who created it and gave it in the first place. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 04 2013,23:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,10:57) I have shown that there are other scriptures besides John 1:1 that say Jesus was in the beginning with God. And there are other scriptures calling him “the Word”. And there are other scriptures calling him a god. So far, “the Word” in John 1:1-2 matches up IDENTICALLY with Jesus Christ. Moving on………..
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Supporting scriptures that this verse is about Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16
For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came……Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. through whom he made the universe.Naturally, you guys will opt for hardly ever used, oddball translations of those Greek words – because you don't LIKE the most obvious and most likely translations.
But to me, these three scriptures about Jesus are an IDENTICAL match to “the Word” in John 1:3.
(Unless you can tell me that the three supporting scriptures I posted CAN'T POSSIBLY be translated the way I quoted them, you have no real rebuttal. In which case, I will move on.)
Hi Mike,No, you're merely showing comparisons and making claims.
Notice that the first comparison, Col1:16, puts a damper on the claim that “dia” should be translated as “on account of” – since it says that all things were created both THROUGH Jesus and FOR Jesus. A translation of “on account of” would be redundant in that verse.Anyway, thanks for your comment, Ed. I take it that you DON'T have a rebuttal thus far.
So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:
1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars)
2. Jesus is called a god in scripture. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. Jesus was with God before the world began. (John 17:5)
4. All things were said to have been made through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
Moving on……………………
John 1:4
In him was life, and that life was the light of men.Supporting scriptures:
John 5:26
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.John 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”There are more, but once again I've shown scriptures about “Jesus” that IDENTICALLY match what John wrote about “the Word” in 1:4.
Before I move on, are there any rebuttals concerning John 1:4, and my comparison verses?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,11:42) So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted: 1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars)
2. Jesus is called a god in scripture. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. Jesus was with God before the world began. (John 17:5)
4. All things were said to have been made through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
Hi Mike,Your claims (numbered 1, 2, & 3) both can be and have been refuted a number of times.
And although your claim number 4 is essentially correct, it also doesn't have the meaning
you are assigning to it, nor is there the connection to Col 1:16 in the manner you assume.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,07:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,11:42) So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted: 1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars)
2. Jesus is called a god in scripture. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. Jesus was with God before the world began. (John 17:5)
4. All things were said to have been made through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
Hi Mike,Your claims (numbered 1, 2, & 3) both can be and have been refuted a number of times.
And although your claim number 4 is essentially correct, it also doesn't have the meaning
you are assigning to it, nor is there the connection to Col 1:16 in the manner you assume.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjtalk,talk,talk, I want to see scriptures ,scriptures scriptures ,
if you know of some scriptures that can refute Mike ones please show them because I do not know any
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 06 2013,07:12) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 06 2013,06:31) Gene, Composed is not a good word to use for what I believe you mean. God's Spirit is outlined in several aspects. Each of these aspects is itself called “a spirit” but there is only one Spirit. I do not see these sub-spirits being eyes as eyes observe and spirits bear fruit.
In Job 1 Yawheh asks Satan “Hast thou considered my servant Job…” Those words make Satan appear to be an “eye” of God.
Yawheh is our Gods, Yawheh is one is a literal translation that ignores the difference between Hebrew and English speaking conventions. In addition the surrounding nations had Gods instead of one God.
Kerwin ………I my opinion there is no “sub..” Just spirits which come in types and kinds. There may an endless number of them, each has a aspect of life they give and produce in a physical body. Similar to our body members are not sub parts they are part of the whole body each member produces it's own particular effect of the whole body.Our God YAHWEH in scripture uses these seven distinct spirits each of these seven are just as important as the others are , in the life of all creation. YAHWEH uses these seven spirits to form his will they are what gives him his councIl. Just as it says “God does all things after the council of “his Will” that. “Council” is derive from those seven spirits which each equally important in all of YAHWEH'S decisions.
Kerwin I am still trying to get it completely right , but this is how it now appears to me . Some things may have to be adjusted so I am open for that brother. My hope is God the Father will give us all clearer understanding about this. I believe, Spirit is spirit no matter what kind or Type they are, they are still just spirit and render their individual aspect of cognate thought which they produce in a person they are what life itself is. No flesh can have any Life without spirit being active in it it is its very life it is living. Spirit never dies either I also believe, it just leaves or separates from a dead body and returns to its source. To God the Father who created it and gave it in the first place. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,Love is the sum of the Law
Love is the fruit of the SpiritThe fruit of the spirit of meekness is the fruit of the spirit.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2013,13:08) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,07:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,11:42) So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted: 1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars)
2. Jesus is called a god in scripture. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. Jesus was with God before the world began. (John 17:5)
4. All things were said to have been made through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
Hi Mike,Your claims (numbered 1, 2, & 3) both can be and have been refuted a number of times.
And although your claim number 4 is essentially correct, it also doesn't have the meaning
you are assigning to it, nor is there the connection to Col 1:16 in the manner you assume.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjtalk,talk,talk, I want to see scriptures ,scriptures scriptures ,
if you know of some scriptures that can refute Mike ones please show them because I do not know any
Hi Pierre,Claim #1.
“I [The LORD JEHOVAH] that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself:” (Isa 44:24)“The worlds were framed by “The Word” of God, so that things
which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)Claim #2.
“Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)“I [The LORD JEHOVAH], and there is none else,
there is no God beside me:” (Isaiah 45:5)Claim #3.
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)“With thine own self” – I take to mean that Jesus was part of God,
not a separate being as you guys seem to be signing on to.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,11:59) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2013,13:08) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 07 2013,07:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2013,11:42) So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted: 1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars)
2. Jesus is called a god in scripture. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. Jesus was with God before the world began. (John 17:5)
4. All things were said to have been made through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
Hi Mike,Your claims (numbered 1, 2, & 3) both can be and have been refuted a number of times.
And although your claim number 4 is essentially correct, it also doesn't have the meaning
you are assigning to it, nor is there the connection to Col 1:16 in the manner you assume.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjtalk,talk,talk, I want to see scriptures ,scriptures scriptures ,
if you know of some scriptures that can refute Mike ones please show them because I do not know any
Hi Pierre,Claim #1.
“I [The LORD JEHOVAH] that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone;
that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself:” (Isa 44:24)“The worlds were framed by “The Word” of God, so that things
which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)Claim #2.
“Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there 'a God' beside me? yea,
there is 'no God'; I know not any.” (Isa 44:8)“I [The LORD JEHOVAH], and there is none else,
there is no God beside me:” (Isaiah 45:5)Claim #3.
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)“With thine own self” – I take to mean that Jesus was part of God,
not a separate being as you guys seem to be signing on to.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjYour claim #3. Do you have the Hebrew or Greek translation on hand
If you do could you show both your version and the Greek version side by side thanks
Terricca…………How about 1and 2 do they “refute” Mike? They sure do to Me.
It boils down to this you either believe Mike or what God say> In Claim #1 and Claim #2. Buy trying to shift attintion away from those apsolute clear scriptures is exactly what all false teacher do. You ask for proof in scripture and you have it, i also have posted them many time here over the years, Lets dwell on those apsolutly clear scriptures, that alone should be enought to make the Point EDJ was driving at. But you would rather dwell of something you can devert attintion away from the main point, cleaver, but decitefull if you ask me.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2013,19:38) Now as regarding your question about Jesus saying he was a good Shepard , please notice the question was regarding a Shepard. A man can be a good car mechanic but that has nothing to do with him being a good person . One applies to a job while the other applies to his character . When Jesus responded to him being call a good person he responded properly, there is non good except one and that is God.. Do you follow this Mike?
I'm TRYING to follow it, Gene. Are you telling me that your Lord Jesus Christ was a “good shepherd”, because that was his job, but he was NOT a “good person”, because God is LITERALLY the ONLY “good person”?Are you saying that Jesus had a “bad character”, since only God has a good one?
Gene, just answer this simple question:
Do you believe that Jesus was NOT a “good person”? YES or NO?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,07:53) It boils down to this you either believe Mike or what God say> In Claim #1 and Claim #2.
Gene and Ed,If you SERIOUSLY think the Isaiah verses Ed posted eliminate all the other gods the Bible clearly teaches about, you are mistaken. But if you think you're right, and those scriptures teach that there is LITERALLY only ONE god in all of existence, answer these questions:
1. Why then is Jesus called a god in scripture?
2. Why is Satan called “the god of this age”?
3. Why is Jehovah the “God of gods”?
4. Why is He the “Most High God”?
5. Why is He the “Almighty God”?
6. Why did Paul tell us that there are indeed many gods and lords, both in heaven and on earth?
7. Why were angels called gods?
8. Why were human judges called gods?
9. In what way did Jehovah “bring judgment upon” the gods of Egypt?
10. Who were the gods in the “assembly of gods”, which Jehovah presides over and renders judgment? (Ps 82)
11. Why does Jehovah Himself call Satan “the god of Ekron”?See guys? These are just a FEW of the examples in scripture that make other gods a NECESSITY in scripture. For most of the things above would make no sense at all if there DIDN'T exist other gods.
Gene talks about “absolute clear scriptures” that me and Pierre are “shifting attention away from”. But what about 1 Cor 8:5 Gene? Was Paul LYING when he said there were many gods in heaven? How about 2 Cor 4:4? Was Paul LYING when he called Satan the god of this age? Was Jehovah lying when He called Satan “the god of Ekron”?
How do YOU address THOSE “absolute clear scriptures”?
I'm anxious to hear your answer to my last post, Gene. I'd also like for Ed to answer the question on that post.
The bottom line is that neither of you have SCRIPTURALLY refuted ANY of my claims about John 1 and Jesus so far. And since that is the “absolute clear” case, I will continue moving forward.
So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:
1. John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”. (Many expert Greek scholars)
2. Jesus is called a god in scripture. (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)
3. Jesus was with God before the world began. (John 17:5)
4. All things were said to have been made through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, Heb 1:2)
5. In Jesus was life. (John 5:26)
6. Jesus was the “light of the world”, and the “light of life”. (John 8:12)
Moving on…………….
John 1:5
The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.Supporting scriptures:
Matthew 4:16
the people living in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death
a light has dawned.”2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of the darkness, made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.As with this entire exercise, I have merely compared things said in John 1 about “the Word” with things said in other scriptures about “Jesus”. Any rebuttals?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,19:53) Terricca…………How about 1and 2 do they “refute” Mike? They sure do to Me. It boils down to this you either believe Mike or what God say> In Claim #1 and Claim #2. Buy trying to shift attintion away from those apsolute clear scriptures is exactly what all false teacher do. You ask for proof in scripture and you have it, i also have posted them many time here over the years, Lets dwell on those apsolutly clear scriptures, that alone should be enought to make the Point EDJ was driving at. But you would rather dwell of something you can devert attintion away from the main point, cleaver, but decitefull if you ask me.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………gene
GeneI am sure if you are right you should not have a problem to prove it ,with scriptures because the truth always triumph against false teachings right
YESlook at Mike's scriptures and prove him wrong ,i am looking for true understanding
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,04:13) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2013,19:38) Now as regarding your question about Jesus saying he was a good Shepard , please notice the question was regarding a Shepard. A man can be a good car mechanic but that has nothing to do with him being a good person . One applies to a job while the other applies to his character . When Jesus responded to him being call a good person he responded properly, there is non good except one and that is God.. Do you follow this Mike?
I'm TRYING to follow it, Gene. Are you telling me that your Lord Jesus Christ was a “good shepherd”, because that was his job, but he was NOT a “good person”, because God is LITERALLY the ONLY “good person”?Are you saying that Jesus had a “bad character”, since only God has a good one?
Gene, just answer this simple question:
Do you believe that Jesus was NOT a “good person”? YES or NO?
Mike,Jesus objected to being called good, Mark 10:18.
Jesus is only “good” because Jehovah dwells in him doing his work.
Jesus will in not Jehovah's as he denied his own will and carried out Jehovah's.
The Spirit is the source of all goodness. Those that are given a opportunity and yet do not live by it cannot please Jehovah.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:32) Jesus objected to being called good, Mark 10:18.
Yet Jesus called himself “the GOOD shepherd”, right?Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:32) Jesus is only “good” because Jehovah dwells in him doing his work.
So then Jesus IS good?Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:32) The Spirit is the source of all goodness.
So then, if the Spirit dwells in us, WE can be good – just like JESUS was good because Jehovah dwelled in him?But I thought Jesus said ONLY God was good.
How do you explain that, Kerwin? You can't say “Jesus was good BECAUSE….” if God is LITERALLY the ONLY one who is good, right? If God is literally the only one who is good, then Jesus cannot possibly be good, no matter what “because” you bring up.
What now? Perhaps “only God is good” was an EMPHATICAL statement made by Jesus, and not meant to be taken in a literal way – as if EVERY OTHER BEING in existence was “BAD”?
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