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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2013,20:35) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2013,17:00) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2013,09:57) Terricca……..none of what you posted has any revelance on what I was posting on about. Pierre. Peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
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What is the sense to show scriptures you brush them away in a blink of an eye,For three years I have seen you do that ,what's Gene think and says is the truth ,and God as to line himself up with it.
Terricca……….May God be With you Brother, and forgive your accusatory Spirit, I see that Spirit in a lot of older folks like you and me brother, We tend to be like cement, the older it gets the more it sets up and the harder it is to change.I can state what i Believe to be true from what i see in scripture and i do quote them also. It is not my place to accuse you or anyone of any thing, i will leave that up to God the Father no one has made me a Judge over any man.
Peace and love to you and yours brother………………………gene
geneQuote I see that Spirit in a lot of older folks like you and me brother, We tend to be like cement, the older it gets the more it sets up and the harder it is to change. if i would do what you say then I be dead ,the truth of God is a on going event can not stop improving while it can be slow at times ,but it seems you are dead I mean spiritually ,may be you should revive that love you had at first wen you heard the Lord voice ,
love in Christ
I have shown that there are other scriptures besides John 1:1 that say Jesus was in the beginning with God. And there are other scriptures calling him “the Word”. And there are other scriptures calling him a god. So far, “the Word” in John 1:1-2 matches up IDENTICALLY with Jesus Christ.
Moving on………..
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Supporting scriptures that this verse is about Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16
For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came……Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. through whom he made the universe.Naturally, you guys will opt for hardly ever used, oddball translations of those Greek words – because you don't LIKE the most obvious and most likely translations.
But to me, these three scriptures about Jesus are an IDENTICAL match to “the Word” in John 1:3.
(Unless you can tell me that the three supporting scriptures I posted CAN'T POSSIBLY be translated the way I quoted them, you have no real rebuttal. In which case, I will move on.)
Mike…….It is not an od ball usage when you take into consideration all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. Can't you see it is for man God created all this material creation of his. Jesus is one of mankind it is “ALL” created for. The LORD did not make his creation to be destroyed or done away with.
Peace and love…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2013,06:22) Mike…….It is not an od ball usage when you take into consideration all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. Can't you see it is for man God created all this material creation of his. Jesus is one of mankind it is “ALL” created for. The LORD did not make his creation to be destroyed or done away with. Peace and love…………………………gene
gQuote all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. show me this in 5 scriptures
Mike………There is no one I would totally agree with on all points most likely, because we are all in stages of growth and we all only see in part as scripture says. But having said that, most of what 2besee has written I do agree with, we do see most things alike with regards to scripture I believe. That we have discussed here at least, we both have room to grow as God sees fit.
Now as regarding your question about Jesus saying he was a good Shepard , please notice the question was regarding a Shepard. A man can be a good car mechanic but that has nothing to do with him being a good person . One applies to a job while the other applies to his character . When Jesus responded to him being call a good person he responded properly, there is non good except one and that is God.. Do you follow this Mike?
Mike I tell you this in all sincerity you should go back and reread what 2besee has written with prayer requesting our God to give you the understanding brother. Your attempt of trying to divide us is futile because of the Spirit of Truth that abides in us, so our eyes are capable of seeing the same truth, even if your or anyone else's can't.
My hope is that we would all come unto the unity of the faith, but at this time it doesn't seem possible, but I always hope we will and someday I do believe we all will.
Peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,11:55) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2013,06:22) Mike…….It is not an od ball usage when you take into consideration all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. Can't you see it is for man God created all this material creation of his. Jesus is one of mankind it is “ALL” created for. The LORD did not make his creation to be destroyed or done away with. Peace and love…………………………gene
gQuote all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. show me this in 5 scriptures
Terricca ………I have many times posted what God said , it doesn't make any difference you will not believe them and just ignore them as you have in the past.Why do you need five for? Don't you believe what God himself said himself ? Read the whole book of Isaiah especially what God says about himself. If that doesn't explain it for you nothing else will either. IMO
Peace and love……………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,10:40) Hi Gene, I'm going to tell you some facts, and you'll probably just ignore them as usual, and keep making the same error ridden posts anyway.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2013,07:35) Mike…….That is the exact teachings of the Gnostic's They believed Jesus was a “God” sent out from the Gods to straighten out and save this world.
Jesus IS called a god, both in the OT and the NT. Can you deny this scriptural fact? If not, don't bring this point up ever again.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2013,07:35) Paul and John both Fought those teachings…….
John and Paul are the two NT writers who called Jesus a god, Gene. How can you say they “fought those teachings” when those teachings CAME FROM them?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2013,07:35) ………that is what lead John to say anyone who does not admit Christ came in the Flesh is Antichrist.
I don't deny Jesus came in the flesh, Gene. In fact, it is YOU who denies that he CAME in the flesh. You claim that he never was anything EXCEPT FOR flesh. But YOUR understanding doesn't match the words “CAME in the flesh”.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2013,07:35) The voice from heaven said this day I have begotten you” , not some preexistent time in creation but it said this “DAY”
The Hebrew word “yowm” can mean “day”, or it can refer to ANY general period of time. So Psalm 2:7 could just as well be translated as, “AT THIS TIME, I have begotten you”. Personally, I believe “day” is the correct translation. But are you telling me that IF Jehovah had begotten Jesus before the ages, as many scriptures attest, He wouldn't be allowed to say “This DAY”? Why not? What word SHOULD have Jehovah used to convey to the psalmist that He had begotten Jesus at a particular time before the world began?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 03 2013,07:35) 2besee is completely right in what he explained and again as before you are denying the truth.
Gene, I like you and 2B very well. But you both suffer from the same ailment: You have already decided for yourselves what the scriptures should teach about the origins of Jesus, and are therefore not able to see beyond those self-inflicted blinders to the REAL truth of the scriptures.You must make up all kinds of oddball twistings of scripture. You say, the Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS flesh – even though that's not what John wrote. You say, glorify me now with the glory YOU'VE HAD WAITING FOR ME since before the world began – even though that's not even close to what Jesus said.
I could go on and on, Gene. You guys pull this NONSENSE with MANY, MANY scriptures. You FORCE the scriptures to teach what you already think they SHOULD teach. You'll NEVER come to the truth of the scriptures that way, Gene.
Look at Kerwin's recent post to 2B about Rev 19:13 for an example. 2B just got done telling me that HE HIMSELF thinks his own understanding “needs work” in that passage. Yet Kerwin, thinking this could be a chance to eliminate Jesus from being the “Word of God” 19:13, implied that 2B's scenario was interesting and worth looking into.
Why Gene? Is because Kerwin SERIOUSLY believes that passage speaks about the Holy Spirit, who rides on a white horse, and whose eyes and head and robe are all Jesus Christ? Of course not. He realizes that is just silly talk. BUT…….. because that understanding will allow him to get rid of a thorn in his side, he is willing to jump on the “Nonsense Bandwagon”. And why is 19:13 a thorn in his side? Because he knows that John calling Jesus “the Word” in 19:13 lends MUCH credence to the idea that the same author also calls Jesus “the Word” in John 1:1, 1:14, and 1 John 1:1.
So you see what we true believers put up with from you guys? It's like your “RIGHT ON!” posts that you make to ANYONE who doesn't believe in pre-existence. I know from discussions with you that you don't believe HALF of what the other person wrote………… but you tell them they have posted it correctly- simply because their bottom line is that they don't believe in the pre-existence of Jesus.
Seriously Gene, do you believe Rev 19:11-16 describes the Holy Spirit? You stated many times before that you know it refers to Jesus, right? So how can you say 2B has posted it correctly, when you don't even agree with what he has posted?
See what I mean? You guys don't really agree as much as you pretend to. But as long as the other guy's bottom line is “non-preexistence”, you say he made a “good post” – no matter WHAT he said. Isn't that right, Gene?
Now, I've been waiting for your answer to this question for quite a while:
How do you explain the fact that Jesus said “only God is good”, but then called himself “the good shepherd”?
Hi Mike,The bible doesn't say 'robe', doesn't say 'begotten before the ages', and certainly doesn't say 'a god'.
And the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11 is indeed the “HolySpirit”. (compare to Isaiah 63:1-11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,10:57) I have shown that there are other scriptures besides John 1:1 that say Jesus was in the beginning with God. And there are other scriptures calling him “the Word”. And there are other scriptures calling him a god. So far, “the Word” in John 1:1-2 matches up IDENTICALLY with Jesus Christ. Moving on………..
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Supporting scriptures that this verse is about Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16
For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came……Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. through whom he made the universe.Naturally, you guys will opt for hardly ever used, oddball translations of those Greek words – because you don't LIKE the most obvious and most likely translations.
But to me, these three scriptures about Jesus are an IDENTICAL match to “the Word” in John 1:3.
(Unless you can tell me that the three supporting scriptures I posted CAN'T POSSIBLY be translated the way I quoted them, you have no real rebuttal. In which case, I will move on.)
Hi Mike,No, you're merely showing comparisons and making claims.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,11:55) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2013,06:22) Mike…….It is not an od ball usage when you take into consideration all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. Can't you see it is for man God created all this material creation of his. Jesus is one of mankind it is “ALL” created for. The LORD did not make his creation to be destroyed or done away with. Peace and love…………………………gene
gQuote all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. show me this in 5 scriptures
Hi Pierre,Here are 6 Scriptures that say the Earth WILL NOT BE DESTROYED!
1) “One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.” (Eccl 1:4)
2) “Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.” (Psalms 119:90)
3) “The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. 16 Why leap ye, ye high hills?
this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever.” (Psalms 68:15-16)4) “His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established
for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.” (Psalms 89:36-37)5) “Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.” (Psalms 104:5)
6) “And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line:
they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.” (Isaiah 34:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,11:39) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,11:55) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2013,06:22) Mike…….It is not an od ball usage when you take into consideration all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. Can't you see it is for man God created all this material creation of his. Jesus is one of mankind it is “ALL” created for. The LORD did not make his creation to be destroyed or done away with. Peace and love…………………………gene
gQuote all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. show me this in 5 scriptures
Hi Pierre,Here are 6 Scriptures that say the Earth WILL NOT BE DESTROYED!
1) “One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.” (Eccl 1:4)
2) “Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.” (Psalms 119:90)
3) “The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. 16 Why leap ye, ye high hills?
this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever.” (Psalms 68:15-16)4) “His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established
for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.” (Psalms 89:36-37)5) “Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.” (Psalms 104:5)
6) “And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line:
they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.” (Isaiah 34:17)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjthanks but read my questions and Gene quote ,this is not what I have ask
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,11:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,10:57) I have shown that there are other scriptures besides John 1:1 that say Jesus was in the beginning with God. And there are other scriptures calling him “the Word”. And there are other scriptures calling him a god. So far, “the Word” in John 1:1-2 matches up IDENTICALLY with Jesus Christ. Moving on………..
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Supporting scriptures that this verse is about Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16
For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came……Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. through whom he made the universe.Naturally, you guys will opt for hardly ever used, oddball translations of those Greek words – because you don't LIKE the most obvious and most likely translations.
But to me, these three scriptures about Jesus are an IDENTICAL match to “the Word” in John 1:3.
(Unless you can tell me that the three supporting scriptures I posted CAN'T POSSIBLY be translated the way I quoted them, you have no real rebuttal. In which case, I will move on.)
Hi Mike,No, you're merely showing comparisons and making claims.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjthere are three witness that speaks ,and all his said by them
answer the question if you can but do not twist it
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2013,07:58) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,11:55) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2013,06:22) Mike…….It is not an od ball usage when you take into consideration all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. Can't you see it is for man God created all this material creation of his. Jesus is one of mankind it is “ALL” created for. The LORD did not make his creation to be destroyed or done away with. Peace and love…………………………gene
gQuote all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. show me this in 5 scriptures
Terricca ………I have many times posted what God said , it doesn't make any difference you will not believe them and just ignore them as you have in the past.Why do you need five for? Don't you believe what God himself said himself ? Read the whole book of Isaiah especially what God says about himself. If that doesn't explain it for you nothing else will either. IMO
Peace and love……………….gene
Genewith the believe you have I also would be ashamed to quote scriptures ,
for the only reason that it would contradict what i would say ,
so I do understand
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 05 2013,12:58) Quote all scripture that show God alone and by himself created all thing. show me this in 5 scriptures
Hi Pierre,1) “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I the LORD that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” (Isaiah 44:24)2) “O LORD of Hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even
thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.” (Isaiah 37:16)3) “For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. 90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations:
thou (singular) hast established the earth, and it abideth.” (Psalms 119:89-90)4) “LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast
thou (singular) made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.” (Psalms 104:24)5) “O LORD our God? therefore we will wait upon thee: for
thou (singular) hast made all these things.” (Jer 14:22)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,16:46) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,11:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,10:57) I have shown that there are other scriptures besides John 1:1 that say Jesus was in the beginning with God. And there are other scriptures calling him “the Word”. And there are other scriptures calling him a god. So far, “the Word” in John 1:1-2 matches up IDENTICALLY with Jesus Christ. Moving on………..
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Supporting scriptures that this verse is about Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16
For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came……Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. through whom he made the universe.Naturally, you guys will opt for hardly ever used, oddball translations of those Greek words – because you don't LIKE the most obvious and most likely translations.
But to me, these three scriptures about Jesus are an IDENTICAL match to “the Word” in John 1:3.
(Unless you can tell me that the three supporting scriptures I posted CAN'T POSSIBLY be translated the way I quoted them, you have no real rebuttal. In which case, I will move on.)
Hi Mike,No, you're merely showing comparisons and making claims.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjthere are three witness that speaks ,and all his said by them
answer the question if you can but do not twist it
What question?Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,02:25) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2013,06:46) Gene, I followed you until you stated “the Seven Spirit are what compose GOD”.
The seven candlesticks are mentioned in the Law.
Hi Kerwin, (ref. Isaiah 11:2)Here are the seven spirits of the LORD:
1) the spirit of the LORD
2) the spirit of wisdom
3) the spirit of understanding
4) the spirit of counsel
5) the spirit of might
6) the spirit of knowledge
7) the spirit of the fear of the LORDYour brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. J.They are aspects of the Holy Spirit but I do not see them being the seven eyes.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2013,17:13) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,02:25) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2013,06:46) Gene, I followed you until you stated “the Seven Spirit are what compose GOD”.
The seven candlesticks are mentioned in the Law.
Hi Kerwin, (ref. Isaiah 11:2)Here are the seven spirits of the LORD:
1) the spirit of the LORD
2) the spirit of wisdom
3) the spirit of understanding
4) the spirit of counsel
5) the spirit of might
6) the spirit of knowledge
7) the spirit of the fear of the LORDYour brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed. J.They are aspects of the Holy Spirit but I do not see them being the seven eyes.
Hi Kerwin,The seven eyes would be those who see and understand God's seven spirits; would they not?
“For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will
engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of Hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.” (Zech 3:9)I have reason to believe that the stone mentioned here is the same “stone” (white) mentioned in Rev.2:17; what say you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,12:04) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,16:46) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,11:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2013,10:57) I have shown that there are other scriptures besides John 1:1 that say Jesus was in the beginning with God. And there are other scriptures calling him “the Word”. And there are other scriptures calling him a god. So far, “the Word” in John 1:1-2 matches up IDENTICALLY with Jesus Christ. Moving on………..
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.Supporting scriptures that this verse is about Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16
For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created through him and for him.1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came……Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…….. through whom he made the universe.Naturally, you guys will opt for hardly ever used, oddball translations of those Greek words – because you don't LIKE the most obvious and most likely translations.
But to me, these three scriptures about Jesus are an IDENTICAL match to “the Word” in John 1:3.
(Unless you can tell me that the three supporting scriptures I posted CAN'T POSSIBLY be translated the way I quoted them, you have no real rebuttal. In which case, I will move on.)
Hi Mike,No, you're merely showing comparisons and making claims.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjthere are three witness that speaks ,and all his said by them
answer the question if you can but do not twist it
What question?
(Unless you can tell me that the three supporting scriptures I posted CAN'T POSSIBLY be translated the way I quoted them, you have no real rebuttal. In which case, I will move on.)edj
Quote Hi Kerwin, (ref. Isaiah 11:2) Here are the seven spirits of the LORD:
1) the spirit of the LORD
2) the spirit of wisdom
3) the spirit of understanding
4) the spirit of counsel
5) the spirit of might
6) the spirit of knowledge
7) the spirit of the fear of the LORDyou never answer my question to this quote of your
Hi Pierre,
Can you re-post those three Scripture and tell me what you believe them to to be supporting.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2013,10:40) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2013,02:25) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2013,06:46) Gene, I followed you until you stated “the Seven Spirit are what compose GOD”.
The seven candlesticks are mentioned in the Law.
Hi Kerwin, (ref. Isaiah 11:2)Here are the seven spirits of the LORD:
1) the spirit of the LORD
2) the spirit of wisdom
3) the spirit of understanding
4) the spirit of counsel
5) the spirit of might
6) the spirit of knowledge
7) the spirit of the fear of the LORDYour brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edji did not know that God fears
from whom ?
Hi Pierre,God puts in us the spirit of the fear of the LORD.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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