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Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,02:57) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,05:55) you like to know that Christ was a man but not answering how could he been a man 
if his father was no man ,???T, was Adam a man?
2beewas their a man before Adam
NOwere their men wen Christ came Yes before and after ,
what is your point
can you honestly say that Christ his a man born in normal human process of making new generations
yes or noT,
Quote what is the holy spirit The Spirit fluttered, as an eagles fluters over her young, God uttered, and the world was filled and given form.
The Spirit fluttered, as an eagles fluters over her young, God uttered, and the a man is filled and given form.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2013,06:04) T, Quote what is the holy spirit The Spirit fluttered, as an eagles fluters over her young, God uttered, and the world was filled and given form.
The Spirit fluttered, as an eagles fluters over her young, God uttered, and the a man is filled and given form.
Kwhat's this
sins wen God becomes his creation like I say GOD WORKS BUT THE 100,000,000 ANGEL HAVE FIRST CLASS SEAT ,DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ,
OF CAUSE CHRIST HIS NOT THE FIRST OF GOD'S CREATION AND PAUL WHO SAYS THIS IS A LIAR, RIGHT
OF CAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND YOU ,YOU MAY NOW SAY GOD DID NOT CREATED SPEECH (THE WORD) THIS IS WHY HE COULD NOT COMMUNICATE WITH HIS ANGELS RIGHT
IT SEEMS TO ME THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN YOUR BELIEVE IN GOD ,IT SEEMS NOT ORDERLY TRUE ,BUT OF CAUSE I AM TO YOUNG TO UNDERSTAND ,RIGHT
WHY IS IT YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ,YOU ALWAYS MAKE ANOTHER DEVIATION OR TOTALLY IGNORING THE QUOTE ,
SO I FIGURE YOU CANNOT SAY WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW OR WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ,
BUT ALL OF IT IS OK, WE JUST ADD A GOOD CHAT AT IT ;
YOU HAVE NO CLUE OF WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS RIGHT
YES,GOD GIVES TWO THINGS TO HIS HOLY SPIRIT 1) THE TRUTH 2) HIS POWER ,FOR WHAT EVER IT NEED TO DO
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28 2013,10:40) 2besee,
Jesus is not also the Holy Spirit…Jesus is filled with the Holy Spirit though. See these verses:Acts 8:14Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, 15who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.
The people mentioned here received the word of God and were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus but had not received the Holy Spirit yet.
LU,
The flesh and spirit of Jesus was 100% the same as all other men apart from His sinlessness which God foreknew and apart from God's intervening His conception to cause Him to be without an earthly father and therefore making Him the second Adam, and due to His sinlessness (though He could have sinned but God foreknew that He would not) the Holy Spirit (also known as the eternal spirit Son of God) dwelt with Him and spoke through Him, thus we have the Son of man (Jesus) also called the unique; the anointed and the chosen Son of God which He was, and we have the eternal Son of God (the Holy Spirit) and we have the two (Jesus and the Holy Spirit) become as one.
————
There are not two Gods. there is only one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,11:14) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,02:57) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,05:55) you like to know that Christ was a man but not answering how could he been a man if his father was no man ,???T, was Adam a man?
2beewas their a man before Adam
NOwere their men wen Christ came Yes before and after ,
what is your point
can you honestly say that Christ his a man born in normal human process of making new generations
yes or no
T,What is there that God cannot do?
Terrica…….He can not recreate his self, Nor can He lie. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,14:49) Terrica…….He can not recreate his self, Nor can He lie. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,The two immutable (unchangeable) things about God are:
1) It's impossible for God to lie (Heb 6:18)
2) He cannot deny himself (2Timothy 2:13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,07:33) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,11:14) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,02:57) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,05:55) you like to know that Christ was a man but not answering how could he been a man if his father was no man ,???T, was Adam a man?
2beewas their a man before Adam
NOwere their men wen Christ came Yes before and after ,
what is your point
can you honestly say that Christ his a man born in normal human process of making new generations
yes or no
T,What is there that God cannot do?
kYOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION AND ALWAYS EVADE THE ANSWER,
well stay were you are we talk later
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,07:20) That would mean that God knew everything about Jesus before Jesus was born and before everything happened.
So God would have known that Jesus would have been sinless through His own will to obedience before it happened.So if this adoptionist type view is correct,
Then that could also tie in with the virgin birth and God's plans to also cause Jesus to be a 'second Adam' without a natural Father—————-
Jeremiah
[4] Now the word of the LORD came to me saying,
[5] “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
[6] Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, I do not know how to speak, for I am only a youth.”
[7] But the LORD said to me, “Do not say, `I am only a youth';
for to all to whom I send you you shall go,
and whatever I command you you shall speak.
[8] Be not afraid of them,
for I am with you to deliver you, says the LORD.”
[9] Then the LORD put forth his hand and touched my mouth; and the LORD said to me, “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth.
[10] See, I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms,
to pluck up and to break down,
to destroy and to overthrow,
to build and to plant.”Psalams 139
[13] For thou didst form my inward parts,
thou didst knit me together in my mother's womb.
[14] I praise thee, for thou art fearful and wonderful.
Wonderful are thy works!
Thou knowest me right well;
[15] my frame was not hidden from thee,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.
[16] Thy eyes beheld my unformed substance;
in thy book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.
This seems to go against a Will that is FREE, IMO, I know God has given “Liberty” to exercises our Captivated Wills , but to me the term Freewill is an Oxymoron, because for a will to be truly Free it can not be influenced by “anything”. But man seem to alway be driven by his desires or Lusts which are (inordinate desires). I believe no such thing exists as a Will that is truly Free, even God Said His will was a result of Council. for God does all things after the “council” of his Will. So God;s will is also a counciled will so it is hardly a Free Will. I do however understand God gives us “LIBERTY” to exercises our captivated will through our choices though. scripture also say God created Vessels of Mercy and Vessels of wrath. So if they were created that way they could hardly be Free to decide which they were going to be seenionf God created them the way they are Right?My point in the thing about Jesus being made a little lower then the angels for the purpose of death, created to Die was my issue in my post while Man in general sense was not made for the purpose to die was the other point, i was wanting you input on that. Do you Notice the subtle difference there as worded in Hebrews? That is backed up also where it says in scriptures he was “Crucified from the foundations of the world” . IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,09:49) Terrica…….He can not recreate his self, Nor can He lie. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
genewhat that mean then is that God says he rested at the end of the six day ,and now KERWIN WANT GOD TO CREATE NEW PERSON ,
It's impossible for God to lie (Heb 6:18)
2) He cannot deny himself (2Timothy 2:13)SO CHRIST HIS THE SON AND THE WORD OF GOD ,AND CAME TO BE JESUS THE CHRIST ,NO CREATION NO LIE ,MARY A SURROGATE MOTHER TO THE WORD AND SON OF GOD ,
ALL HIS TRUE AND GOOD ,
SO THE WORD OF GOD CAME INTO THE WORLD SEND BY GOD ,HIS FATHER TO FINISH THE WORK TO SAVE CREATION FROM DOOMS DAY,HE BECAME JESUS THE CHRIST ,GIVE UP HIS LIVE AS A MAN HE WAS WITHOUT SIN BECAUSE HE HAD NO CONNECTIONS TO HUMANITY AND FOR THIS REMAIN PURE FROM THE START OF HIS CONCEPTION UNTIL HE DIED ,
MANY THING WERE DONE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SCRIPTURES ,BUT IT IS THE WAY OF GOD NOT MEN THAT THINGS ARE ACCOMPLISHED ;;Mt 3:14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
Mt 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consentedJn 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.”
AND MANY OTHER
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,15:14) I know God has given “Liberty” to exercises our Captivated Wills
Hi Gene,What is this suppose to mean anyway?
is your will captivated by something?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,15:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,09:49) Terrica…….He can not recreate his self, Nor can He lie. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
genewhat that mean then is that God says he rested at the end of the six day ,and now KERWIN WANT GOD TO CREATE NEW PERSON ,
It's impossible for God to lie (Heb 6:18)
2) He cannot deny himself (2Timothy 2:13)SO CHRIST HIS THE SON AND THE WORD OF GOD ,AND CAME TO BE JESUS THE CHRIST ,NO CREATION NO LIE ,MARY A SURROGATE MOTHER TO THE WORD AND SON OF GOD ,
ALL HIS TRUE AND GOOD ,
SO THE WORD OF GOD CAME INTO THE WORLD SEND BY GOD ,HIS FATHER TO FINISH THE WORK TO SAVE CREATION FROM DOOMS DAY,HE BECAME JESUS THE CHRIST ,GIVE UP HIS LIVE AS A MAN HE WAS WITHOUT SIN BECAUSE HE HAD NO CONNECTIONS TO HUMANITY AND FOR THIS REMAIN PURE FROM THE START OF HIS CONCEPTION UNTIL HE DIED ,
MANY THING WERE DONE TO ACCOMPLISH THE SCRIPTURES ,BUT IT IS THE WAY OF GOD NOT MEN THAT THINGS ARE ACCOMPLISHED ;;Mt 3:14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
Mt 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consentedJn 19:30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.”
AND MANY OTHER
Hi Pierre, here is what “The Bible” says:John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.“The Word” is the Father's, not Jesus.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,10:14) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,07:20) That would mean that God knew everything about Jesus before Jesus was born and before everything happened.
So God would have known that Jesus would have been sinless through His own will to obedience before it happened.So if this adoptionist type view is correct,
Then that could also tie in with the virgin birth and God's plans to also cause Jesus to be a 'second Adam' without a natural Father—————-
Jeremiah
[4] Now the word of the LORD came to me saying,
[5] “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
[6] Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, I do not know how to speak, for I am only a youth.”
[7] But the LORD said to me, “Do not say, `I am only a youth';
for to all to whom I send you you shall go,
and whatever I command you you shall speak.
[8] Be not afraid of them,
for I am with you to deliver you, says the LORD.”
[9] Then the LORD put forth his hand and touched my mouth; and the LORD said to me, “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth.
[10] See, I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms,
to pluck up and to break down,
to destroy and to overthrow,
to build and to plant.”Psalams 139
[13] For thou didst form my inward parts,
thou didst knit me together in my mother's womb.
[14] I praise thee, for thou art fearful and wonderful.
Wonderful are thy works!
Thou knowest me right well;
[15] my frame was not hidden from thee,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.
[16] Thy eyes beheld my unformed substance;
in thy book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.
This seems to go against a Will that is FREE, IMO, I know God has given “Liberty” to exercises our Captivated Wills , but to me the term Freewill is an Oxymoron, because for a will to be truly Free it can not be influenced by “anything”. But man seem to alway be driven by his desires or Lusts which are (inordinate desires). I believe no such thing exists as a Will that is truly Free, even God Said His will was a result of Council. for God does all things after the “council” of his Will. So God;s will is also a counciled will so it is hardly a Free Will. I do however understand God gives us “LIBERTY” to exercises our captivated will through our choices though. scripture also say God created Vessels of Mercy and Vessels of wrath. So if they were created that way they could hardly be Free to decide which they were going to be seenionf God created them the way they are Right?My point in the thing about Jesus being made a little lower then the angels for the purpose of death, created to Die was my issue in my post while Man in general sense was not made for the purpose to die was the other point, i was wanting you input on that. Do you Notice the subtle difference there as worded in Hebrews? That is backed up also where it says in scriptures he was “Crucified from the foundations of the world” . IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
GENEChrist preexisted this is why all was known to what he ad to do ,
this was foretold thousands of years before ,while the scriptures were written piece by piece Christ works were lay out so that it could proven without a doubt that he was the real Christ that came down and was send from God ;
pay attention to this parable;;;and understand it ;;;
Mt 21:33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey.
Mt 21:34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
Mt 21:35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.
Mt 21:36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way.
Mt 21:37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
Mt 21:38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’
Mt 21:39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Mt 21:40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”
Mt 21:41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
Mt 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
“ ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’ ?
Mt 21:43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
Mt 21:44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,15:28) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,15:14) I know God has given “Liberty” to exercises our Captivated Wills
Hi Gene,What is this suppose to mean anyway?
is your will captivated by something?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J……Yes it is Hardly a “FREE” Willer ED J.As i said i belive we do have Liberty to excercise those captivated Wills no matter what they are. I only hope my Will is being brought into the captivity of Christ. And I can with Gods help put my “captivated” will to death, by the same Spirit Jesus put his Will to death.
Peace and love to you Brother…………………………..gene
To All………I want to start a New Topic I have studied on over the years , I would like all of Us to earnestly go through it together and use all the Greek orginal text we can find and the Spirit of God, to get the truth , If we all can get it rigth it will answer many question we have all debated here. I will try to start it in a few Days if God is Willing.
peace and love to you all…………………………………..gene
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,17:11) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,07:33) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,11:14) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,02:57) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,05:55) you like to know that Christ was a man but not answering how could he been a man if his father was no man ,???T, was Adam a man?
2beewas their a man before Adam
NOwere their men wen Christ came Yes before and after ,
what is your point
can you honestly say that Christ his a man born in normal human process of making new generations
yes or no
T,What is there that God cannot do?
kYOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION AND ALWAYS EVADE THE ANSWER,
well stay were you are we talk later
T,That was not Kerwin, that was me, 2besee.
After I said that Jesus was 100% man,
You said the following:Quote you like to know that Christ was a man but not answering how could he been a man ? if his father was no man My reply was simply the following:
Quote T, was Adam a man? And although it was only a simple question, this is what I was meaning:
- The first man, Adam, had no earthly father or mother.
God was Adam's creator.
Adam was 100% man.
Jesus, like Adam, also had no earthly father.
According to you, Jesus must be God/Man.
But Adam who also had no father, was not God/Man but was Man
That is why I asked the simple question: “Was Adam a Man?”
And then you said:
Quote was their a man before Adam NOwere their men wen Christ came Yes before and after ,
what is your point
can you honestly say that Christ his a man born in normal human process of making new generations
yes or noAnd so then, in regard to the creation of man, I replied to you:
Quote What is there that God cannot do? And then you quoted my post and said to Kerwin (?) the following:
Quote k YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION AND ALWAYS EVADE THE ANSWER,
well stay were you are we talk later
lol.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,15:45) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2013,15:28) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 28 2013,15:14) I know God has given “Liberty” to exercises our Captivated Wills
Hi Gene,What is this suppose to mean anyway?
is your will captivated by something?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
ED J……Yes it is Hardly a “FREE” Willer ED J.As i said i belive we do have Liberty to excercise those captivired Will no matter what they are. I only hope my Will is being brought into the captivity of Christ. And I can with Gods help put my “captivated” will to death, by the same Spirit Jesus put his Will to death by.
Peace and love to you Brother…………………………..gene
Hi Gene,Christ sets our “Will” free from the captivity of sin; that's the good news my friend!
“If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.“
All us “Free-Willers” can now unite! (see John 8:36)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,16:41) And although it was only a simple question, this is what I was meaning: - The first man, Adam, had no earthly father or mother.
God was Adam's creator.
Adam was 100% man.
Jesus, like Adam, also had no earthly father.
According to you, Jesus must be God/Man.
But Adam who also had no father, was not God/Man but was Man
Hi 2Besee,You appear to be overlooking a significant difference:
Adam was formed from The dust of the ground, while
Jesus was conceived of the HolySpirit in the womb of Mary.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,11:41) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,17:11) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,07:33) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,11:14) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 28 2013,02:57) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2013,05:55) you like to know that Christ was a man but not answering how could he been a man if his father was no man ,???T, was Adam a man?
2beewas their a man before Adam
NOwere their men wen Christ came Yes before and after ,
what is your point
can you honestly say that Christ his a man born in normal human process of making new generations
yes or no
T,What is there that God cannot do?
kYOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION AND ALWAYS EVADE THE ANSWER,
well stay were you are we talk later
T,That was not Kerwin, that was me, 2besee.
After I said that Jesus was 100% man,
You said the following:Quote you like to know that Christ was a man but not answering how could he been a man ? if his father was no man My reply was simply the following:
Quote T, was Adam a man? And although it was only a simple question, this is what I was meaning:
- The first man, Adam, had no earthly father or mother.
God was Adam's creator.
Adam was 100% man.
Jesus, like Adam, also had no earthly father.
According to you, Jesus must be God/Man.
But Adam who also had no father, was not God/Man but was Man
That is why I asked the simple question: “Was Adam a Man?”
And then you said:
Quote was their a man before Adam NOwere their men wen Christ came Yes before and after ,
what is your point
can you honestly say that Christ his a man born in normal human process of making new generations
yes or noAnd so then, in regard to the creation of man, I replied to you:
Quote What is there that God cannot do? And then you quoted my post and said to Kerwin (?) the following:
Quote k YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION AND ALWAYS EVADE THE ANSWER,
well stay were you are we talk later
lol.
2beeYou have mixed me up
But you do not answer any of my question any way ,my point was that God does not create until his rest is done,
It is you that says that Christ would be god/man what is Isiaiah 9;4-8 says That The son will be called mighty god , got this
One more thing ,what do you call a man that is in charge of an entire planet
I call him a godHi Pierre,
Jesus is not a god,
he is our kinsman redeemer.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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