In the Beginning

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2013,09:51)

Hi Jammin, Scripture teaches us Jesus spoke the Word. Scripture teaches us God's words are “Spirit”. The result is that the Word is the Spirit of God. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

i do not need stories eddy boy.

i need verse. read that in john 1.1.

sorry but i CANT read your IMAGINATION.
no version for that. why dont you make your own version and put your imagination in john 1.1
LOL

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,11:20)

Ed, It seems the rest of us all agree that John is speaking about the same exact subject, “the Word of God”, from verse 1 up until verse 14 (so far, and with the exception of verse 6, which introduces John the Baptist). Are you also in agreement with the rest of us?

Hi Mike,

Verse 11 and eludes to Jesus, and verse 14 clearly introduce Jesus into the story.
The subject switches to Jesus in verse 15. 1-14 is predominantly about “Ho Logos”.

Notice what verse 18 says about Jesus declaring the father:
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father, he(Jesus) hath declared him(The Word).

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 02 2013,07:32)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,08:58) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 01 2013,17:02) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2013,00:57) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 31 2012,07:59) kerwin, i dont believe to stories. i believe in the written words of God. the Word in john 1.1 is Christ himself rev 19.13 Jammin, Scripture does not state that Christ is literally the Word and therefore you are speaking a fiction.  It does say that John saw a time when he is called by the name of the Word. Stop believing in teachings based on the principles of this world and instead believe in those based on the principles of godliness. are you sure?? here is what the bible says John 1:1-14 New Life Version (NLV) Christ Lived Before the World Was Made 1 The Word (Christ) was in the beginning. The Word was with God. The Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 He made all things. Nothing was made without Him making it. 4 Life began by Him. His Life was the Light for men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness. The darkness has never been able to put out the Light. John the Baptist Tells of the Coming of Christ 6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came to tell what he knew about the Light so that all men might believe through him. 8 John was not the Light, but he was sent to tell about the Light. 9 This true Light, coming into the world, gives light to every man. 10 He came into the world. The world was made by Him, but it did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, but His own did not receive Him. 12 He gave the right and the power to become children of God to those who received Him. He gave this to those who put their trust in His name. 13 These children of God were not born of blood and of flesh and of man’s desires, but they were born of God. 14 Christ became human flesh and lived among us. We saw His shining-greatness. This greatness is given only to a much-loved Son from His Father. He was full of loving-favor and truth. read that over and over again especially verse 14 it tells us that the WORD is Christ himself. that is what the rev 19.13 also tells us Jammin, I am sure as it is not in the Ancient Greek the manuscripts are actually written in.  Some translators may choose to add it but that does not mean it is in Scripture. This is what Revelation 19:13 actually states. Revelation 19:13 King James Version (KJV) 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. It does not say Jesus is the Word but rather that Jesus at the time observed is called the Word. We can replace Word with “the name of which Jesus was later called by” in John 1:1-17 and it does not support your conclusions. you cant understand english version of the bible and now you are telling about greek bible. LOL kerwin i think you should read first your english bible over and over again before going to greek. LOL i do not want your stories. i want verse! where can you read that the WORD WAS MADE FLESH IN HIM what version is that? LOL

Jammin,

I have read English versions of the bible but they are second and more hand accounts compared with the Ancient Greek. Inserting words without a solid logical reason is a questionable practice.

Translators have a difficult job where even the most sincere among them can be led astray by their own lack of knowledge of godliness.

[kerwin]

Mike,

“he” and like pronouns in John 1:14 seem to refer to either:
 1) The Word made flesh or
 2) The Word

I favor the second.

To correct what I wrote earlier, John 1:4 actually states that Life is in the Word not Light as I have been claiming.

It does say the Life is the Light of Men.

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,16:51)

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 02 2013,07:32) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,08:58) Quote (jammin @ Jan. 01 2013,17:02) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2013,00:57) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 31 2012,07:59) kerwin, i dont believe to stories. i believe in the written words of God. the Word in john 1.1 is Christ himself rev 19.13 Jammin, Scripture does not state that Christ is literally the Word and therefore you are speaking a fiction.  It does say that John saw a time when he is called by the name of the Word. Stop believing in teachings based on the principles of this world and instead believe in those based on the principles of godliness. are you sure?? here is what the bible says John 1:1-14 New Life Version (NLV) Christ Lived Before the World Was Made 1 The Word (Christ) was in the beginning. The Word was with God. The Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 He made all things. Nothing was made without Him making it. 4 Life began by Him. His Life was the Light for men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness. The darkness has never been able to put out the Light. John the Baptist Tells of the Coming of Christ 6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came to tell what he knew about the Light so that all men might believe through him. 8 John was not the Light, but he was sent to tell about the Light. 9 This true Light, coming into the world, gives light to every man. 10 He came into the world. The world was made by Him, but it did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, but His own did not receive Him. 12 He gave the right and the power to become children of God to those who received Him. He gave this to those who put their trust in His name. 13 These children of God were not born of blood and of flesh and of man’s desires, but they were born of God. 14 Christ became human flesh and lived among us. We saw His shining-greatness. This greatness is given only to a much-loved Son from His Father. He was full of loving-favor and truth. read that over and over again especially verse 14 it tells us that the WORD is Christ himself. that is what the rev 19.13 also tells us Jammin, I am sure as it is not in the Ancient Greek the manuscripts are actually written in.  Some translators may choose to add it but that does not mean it is in Scripture. This is what Revelation 19:13 actually states. Revelation 19:13 King James Version (KJV) 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. It does not say Jesus is the Word but rather that Jesus at the time observed is called the Word. We can replace Word with “the name of which Jesus was later called by” in John 1:1-17 and it does not support your conclusions. you cant understand english version of the bible and now you are telling about greek bible. LOL kerwin i think you should read first your english bible over and over again before going to greek. LOL i do not want your stories. i want verse! where can you read that the WORD WAS MADE FLESH IN HIM what version is that? LOL Jammin, I have read English versions of the bible but they are second and more hand accounts compared with the Ancient Greek.   Inserting words without a solid logical reason is a questionable practice. Translators have a difficult job where even the most sincere among them can be led astray by their own lack of knowledge of godliness.

that is the real meaning of the context.
for example we can read THE WORD in john 1.1. some versions says Christ. but if you really know how to read the context, it really speaks about the SON and not the HS.

therefore there is nothing wrong about it.
in fact, no version would say that the WORD in john 1.1 is the HS. this only proves that it is not what the bible says. it is just an opinion from men.
scholars know what they are doing.

[Ed J]

Hi Jammin,

So if people insert their opinions into the text,
it is then what the bible says (according to you)?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2013,11:58)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2013,11:34) T, Quote and you know that the scriptures are saying that THE WORD OF GOD his not his spoken words right The Word of God is God's spoken or written Word. Jesus is human flesh and human soul. The Word was made flesh in him. Jesus is called by the name of the Word. Jesus was created through the Word. The Word is not created through Jesus as the Word exists first. k THAT IS NOT WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING THAT IS ONLY WHAT kerwin THINK AND SAY ,and what kerwin think and say his not the words of God it is his own words ,and no one tolt him to say that just that he believe what he wants to believe and that is what he said ,

T,

I thought I answered this in part.

You did not let me know what point or points you disagree with.

Here is some passages that Speak of God's Word.

Numbers 24:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:

and

1 Samuel 9:27
King James Version (KJV)

27 And as they were going down to the end of the city, Samuel said to Saul, Bid the servant pass on before us, (and he passed on), but stand thou still a while, that I may shew thee the word of God.

In both of these passages the Word is God's conversation and so the Word is God's conversation.

It is a more primary translation to state John is speaking of the conversation of God that to state he is speaking of a creature that bears the name of God's conversation.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,10:30)

[ John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. This one should be obvious, since the subject of the sentence is actually CALLED “the Word”, just like it was in verse 1.  I'll assume the answer is “YES” from all of you on this verse. John 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” But how about verse 15?  Is the one John testified about STILL the Word from verse 1?  YES or NO? Gene?  Kerwin?  Wakeup?  2B?  Ed?

Mike…….the Word of God came to be “IN” Jesus . Don't you believe Jesus when he said the Father was “IN” Him. He said that over and over and over. It's all throughout the Gospels Jesus kept saying that over and over.

I see your problem as not believing what JESUS Said that the Father who is the Word was “IN” him Do you want me to post the many, many Scriptures where Jesus said that. What do you think Jesus was saying when he said the son of man can do nothing of himself  the Father “IN” Him does the works.

God who was “IN” Jesus is the Word, because God and His words are one and the same thing. How simple can it get.  Mike you problem is you still do not Know what a SPIRIT “IS”. And that blocks you from understand how God can be in all and through all

When are you going to see as Thomas came to SEE and say to Jesus my lord “AND” My God He did not say My Lord God but my lord “and” my God. God was indeed “IN” Jesus. Just as Jesus said he was, and even told us, the words he spoke to us were not “his” words , so how could you possible think that Jesus is the Word?

Mike the subject matter did not change in John 14, The word who was God did come to be in a flesh man (Jesus,)  and we did see His (God's) Glory in the (uniquely begotten) Son  who came into existence as the man Jesus, the Anointed one, who had the Spirit and the Word and the light of God   in him

None of that made Jesus a Preexistent “Being”, none of that supports the Trinitarians nor the preexistences Position.

peace and lvoe to you and yours Mike…………………………..gene

[kerwin]

Gene,

Are you claiming that Thomas is speaking of the lord of him, and the God of him even as 1 Chronicles 29:10 speaks of both Yawheh and David?

1 Chronicles 29:20
King James Version (KJV)

20 And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the Lord your God. And all the congregation blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the Lord, and the king.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,20:15)

Verse 11 and eludes to Jesus, and verse 14 clearly introduce Jesus into the story. The subject switches to Jesus in verse 15. 1-14 is predominantly about “Ho Logos”.

Yeah Ed,

You and I have been through this before. That's why I'm doing it again with other people, in the hope that you will see your error. There is no indication whatsoever that John has changed subjects in verse 11, or in verse 14.

You only PRETEND the subject has changed in those verses, because your doctrine relies on that being the case.

Anyway, your interpretation is noted.

[mikeboll64]

John 1:15
John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”

But how about verse 15?  Is the one John testified about STILL the Word from verse 1?  YES or NO?

Gene?  Kerwin?  Wakeup?  2B?

[Wakeup]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2013,07:54)

John 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” But how about verse 15?  Is the one John testified about STILL the Word from verse 1?  YES or NO? Gene?  Kerwin?  Wakeup?  2B?

Mike B64.

Was John in the Holy spirit or was he not?
When God sends moses to speak to pharaoh,Did God not teach him what to say?

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2013,02:54)

John 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’” But how about verse 15?  Is the one John testified about STILL the Word from verse 1?  YES or NO? Gene?  Kerwin?  Wakeup?  2B?

Mike,
It is the same answer as v14.

[mikeboll64]

Thanks for your DIRECT answer to my question, Kerwin. Wakeup, would you be so kind as to do the same?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,00:06)

To correct what I wrote earlier, John 1:4 actually states that Life is in the Word not Light as I have been claiming. It does say the Life is the Light of Men.

Yeah Kerwin,

It is the same difference IMO. If life was in him, and life was light, then it makes no difference to speed it up and say light was in him, IMO.

I just followed suit with what you said, in order to post less words.

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike………Spirit is the life of all mankind, man did not become a “LIVING” Soul the until spirit of LIFE was put into him. Spirit is Spirit, Flesh is Flesh, your trying to mix them up to be the same when they are not the same. Jesus was a Flesh man Just as we are who Had SPIRIT “IN” Him Just as we do and God who is a Sprit came and indwelled his Flesh with His Spirit, Jesus' body It recond as a Temple it dwelled in. now if the spirit that raised christ from the dead , be “IN” You “IT” will “ALSO” Quicken (bring back to life) Your Mortal (dead) Body. God's who is sprit is life and gives Life to who ever he is “IN”. When are you going to start to believe Jesus who said
Believe you not that the Father is in me?, then believe in the Miricales.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………gene

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 03 2013,11:02)

Mike………Spirit is the life of all mankind, man did not become a “LIVING” Soul the until spirit of LIFE was put into him. Spirit is Spirit, Flesh is Flesh, your trying to mix them up to be the same when they are not the same. Jesus was a Flesh man Just as we are who Had SPIRIT “IN”  Him Just as we do and God who is a Sprit came and indwelled his Flesh with His Spirit,  Jesus' body It recond as a Temple it dwelled in. now if the spirit that raised christ from the dead , be “IN” You “IT” will “ALSO” Quicken (bring back to life) Your Mortal (dead) Body. God's who is sprit is life and gives Life to who ever he is “IN”.  When are you going to start to believe Jesus who said Believe you not that the Father is in me?, then believe in the Miricales. peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………gene

Gene b.

You are close,but not dead on.

The flesh without the SPIRIT OF LIFE IS DEAD MEAT.
The soul without the spirit of God,is a spiritually dead soul
One can be living and breathing,but spiritually dead.

As Jesus said. ''Let the dead burry their dead''.

wakeup.

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2013,17:19)

Hi Jammin, So if people insert their opinions into the text, it is then what the bible says (according to you)? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

they are not inserting their opinion in john 1.1
that is what the bible says

you are the one who is inserting your opinion in john 1.1
in fact you cant read any SINGLE version that says that the WORD in john 1.1 is the HS.

sorry boy

[2besee]

Mike, yes.

I will repeat myself.

To say that there is only one God which is YHVH and to then apply that biblical rule to the verse in John 1:1 is correct I believe.

So there is only one God over all, with his own word which is spirit, and then there is the Son, Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 is not talking about two gods it is talking about ONE GOD

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.

The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Gods own Word was “made flesh” and dwelt among us, IN Jesus Christ – the man of Nazareth –

The Spirit which was in Him was before ALL.

[Wakeup]

2Besee.

QUOTE:
Gods own Word was “made flesh” and dwelt among us, IN Jesus Christ – the man of Nazareth –

The Spirit which was in Him was before ALL.
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UNQUOTE:

You seem confused,or just playing with words.
How can the word that was made flesh; is the spirit in Jesus?

wakeup.

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