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Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2012,22:00) poor mike LOL that is Christ! they are confused!
Why is it “poor Mike” when it is “THEY” who are confused?
I don't agree with the JWs on that point, jammin. I stood side by side with you in the other thread pointing out that Thomas said those words TO JESUS – just like the text actually says. The text DOESN'T say Thomas said those words to Jesus AND his God, so there is no reason for me to think Thomas did say those words to Jesus AND his God.
You asked why the NWT translators have “god” in some verses, and “God” in 20:28. I was giving you my best guess as to why the “G” is capped in the NWT's version of 20:28.
How then is this coming down on me?
You are more confused about this conversation than they are about who Thomas was talking to in 20:28.
I'm not now, nor have I ever argued that Thomas was talking to Jesus and God. Why do your posts suggest you are “correcting me” and challenging me about this issue, when I already AGREE WITH YOU about it?
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2012,22:38) Those who believe Jesus is God because God dwells in him through his Spirit are deceived.
Okay. I was just checking because of the way you worded it in the other post.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 18 2012,08:34) Mike ……….That Word is God who is Spirit, he was “in” the flesh man Jesus when are you going to admit that Mike?
I will admit that if and when we discover an ancient Greek ms in which John 1:14 says, “ho logos en sarx ginomai” (“the word IN flesh became”).So far, all the Greek mss say, “ho logos sarx ginomai” (“the word flesh became”).
Gene, John did NOT write that the Word came to be IN flesh. He did NOT write those words. He did NOT write them. He did NOT write them. He did NOT write them.
So the better question is:
Gene, when are YOU going to acknowledge that the Word BECAME flesh, and start aligning your understanding around the actual words John wrote – without having to add your own word into the verse?
Gene,
The point of yesterday's post to you was this:
In John 1:14, we are taught that someone who was called “the Word” by John became flesh, and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son.
Let's just work it backwards:
1. Who could possibly EVER dwell on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son? There is only one answer that will fit………….. “JESUS”.2. So, knowing that “JESUS” is the one who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son, we also know for a fact that “JESUS” is the one who “became flesh“. (This scriptural fact is also supported by many other scriptures, not the least of which is Phil 2:6-7, which says, he was existing in the form of God, but emptied himself and was made in the likeness of a human being.)
3. Now, knowing that “JESUS” is the one who “became flesh“, we can also know that “JESUS” is the one John referred to as “the Word”. (And again, this scriptural fact is also supported by many other scriptures, not the least of which is Revelation 19:13, which refers to one we all know is Jesus as “the Word of God”.)
4. Then, we add in the some of the many other scriptures, like where Jesus says he had glory with God before the world began; or where he says he came down from heaven to do the will of God; or where he foretells that the disciples will see him ascend to where he was before; or the combination of the scriptures that say all things were created through Jesus and the scriptures that say all things were created through the Word of God.
(There are many, many more scriptures. I could go on and on, which I will once you take this first step.)
The first step is ACKNOWLEDGING that the Word BECAME flesh, and disowning your own, man-made version that the Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS ALREADY FLESH.
The scriptural words are right there for us all to read, Gene. Nobody is “playing a trick” on you here. Are you willing to accept the words of John 1:14 the way John actually wrote them? It is the only way you will begin on the path to truth in this matter.
Gene, you MUST accept the words as John wrote them – without adding your own words into the mix – if you want to get to the TRUTH of what John was trying to teach us.
Do you agree with this last statement? YES or NO?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,11:08) Gene, when are YOU going to acknowledge that the Word BECAME flesh, and start aligning your understanding around the actual words John wrote – without having to add your own word into the verse?
lol.Mike, and all, I will catch up soon with posting, okay.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 19 2012,05:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,11:08) Gene, when are YOU going to acknowledge that the Word BECAME flesh, and start aligning your understanding around the actual words John wrote – without having to add your own word into the verse?
lol.Mike, and all, I will catch up soon with posting, okay.
I am waiting for your actionsQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,08:56) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2012,22:00) poor mike LOL that is Christ! they are confused!
Why is it “poor Mike” when it is “THEY” who are confused?I don't agree with the JWs on that point, jammin.
You asked why the NWT translators have “god” in some verses, and “God” in 20:28. I was giving you my best guess as to why the “G” is capped in the NWT's version of 20:28.
what? LOLyou are confused. you are using NWT but you dont agree ?? LOL
i think you need more vitamins mike LOL
i dont need your guess. i need a written scripture. if you cant read your imagination then plant some trees. maybe in that way you can help your government LOL
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 19 2012,10:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,08:56) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2012,22:00) poor mike LOL that is Christ! they are confused!
Why is it “poor Mike” when it is “THEY” who are confused?I don't agree with the JWs on that point, jammin.
You asked why the NWT translators have “god” in some verses, and “God” in 20:28. I was giving you my best guess as to why the “G” is capped in the NWT's version of 20:28.
what? LOLyou are confused. you are using NWT but you dont agree ?? LOL
i think you need more vitamins mike LOL
i dont need your guess. i need a written scripture. if you cant read your imagination then plant some trees. maybe in that way you can help your government LOL
JIMMYinstead of burbling constantly why do you not show wisdom and show Mike that you have better knowledge than he as ,don't just talk take action and show him or shut up kid.
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 19 2012,10:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,08:56) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 17 2012,22:00) poor mike LOL that is Christ! they are confused!
Why is it “poor Mike” when it is “THEY” who are confused?I don't agree with the JWs on that point, jammin.
You asked why the NWT translators have “god” in some verses, and “God” in 20:28. I was giving you my best guess as to why the “G” is capped in the NWT's version of 20:28.
what? LOLyou are confused. you are using NWT but you dont agree ?? LOL
i think you need more vitamins mike LOL
i dont need your guess. i need a written scripture. if you cant read your imagination then plant some trees. maybe in that way you can help your government LOL
Jammin,Why do you make absurd guesses?
If you know God you know he cannot be tempted by evil.
If you know Jesus then you know he was tempted even as is common to humanity.
Therefore to guess that Thomas was calling Jesus Jehovah is absurd as it breaks Scripture.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2012,11:20) 2B, FIRST, you didn't even attempt to address my post.
Yes I did, You said: “What name is it we are to believe in to become children of God? Is the name John was talking about “God YHVH”
And I answered you “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US'….His name was Jesus and in the name of Jesus we are saved, not in any other name.
“Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “You rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, if we are examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you whole. He is 'the stone which was regarded as worthless by you, the builders, which has become the head of the corner.' There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!“
The name in which we are saved is JESUS or YAHSHUA, which means 'YAH SAVES'.
“But false prophets also arose among the people, as false teachers will also be among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, denying even the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.” 2Peter 2:1.
Jude 1:4 “For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”
1 John 2:22 “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.”
Revelation 3:8 “I know your works (behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one can shut), that you have a little power, and kept my word, and didn't deny my name.“
But there is more:
1 John 4:3 “And every spirit who doesn't confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.”
'In the flesh' means as a man.
'Flesh' always had the same meaning in the Bible. Jesus said “Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but my Father in Heaven” Flesh means man.Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.“Matthew 19:5-6
‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’. So they are no longer two but one flesh.”Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”Luke 24:39
“See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.”(God is spirit).
Spirit does not have flesh and bones, as Jesus said.
Therefore, Jesus was a man.John 6:63
It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.'That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.'
'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.'
The Word is divine speech, it is God's Word.
Spirit gives birth to Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2012,11:20) SECONDLY, the Hebrew words “immanuel” mean “God IS with us. The only people who try to say it means “God with us” are Trinitarians, who want Jesus to BE the very God he is the Son of. THIRDLY, compare the phrase “God is with us” in 2 Chronicles 13:12 and Isaiah 8:10. Does the phrase mean that God Almighty Himself came down from heaven and was LITERALLY “with” the Israelites in those two verses?
The eternal spirit did. The eternal Spirit of the Father has always been here. When you pray it is the eternal Spirit which is interceding for you between heaven and earth. It is the Spirit of God, and it is the same Spirit which was in Jesus. It is also called the Spirit of Christ (Same Spirit).
” You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit — if it is so, that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.”1 Corinthians 3:16 “Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?“
1 Corinthians 6:17 'But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.'
1 Corinthians 6:19 'Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.'So, the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ as you can see above, is the same thing. You also know from other Scripture that it is the one and the same Spirit, in believers.
And finally, I was reading this in Scripture the other day:
1 Peter 1:10-12.
'The prophets who prophesied of the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired about this salvation; they inquired what person or time was indicated by the Spirit of Christ within them when predicting the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glory.
It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things which have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you through the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.'Do you see in that verse, how the 'Spirit of Christ' was in the Prophets of old, and came down from Heaven — the Holy Spirit.
Quote Of course not. The phrase “God is with us” simply means “God is on our side, fighting right along with us”. Surely you've heard someone say, “May God be with you and bless you on your journey”, or something to that effect. It means “may the presence of God be with you, guiding you and helping you”. It doesn't mean that the being of God Almighty Himself is personally and literally right there with you, in the passenger seat. As above.
Quote It is the same with Jesus. His name is called “immanuel”, because through him coming to the earth,….. He did not come to the earth, the eternal spirit did. Jesus didn't exist until his birth.
Quote ….God demonstrated that He is with His people (on their side, fighting for them), still to this day. Bit more than that Mike…
Quote And FINALLY, are you suggesting that YHVH changed His name to “Jesus”? NO!!! Jesus means YAH SAVES. (Yahshua).
Quote 2B, please address my points from the last post. Please acknowledge the fact that your understanding does not match the words of Jesus in John 3:16-18. Why not?
'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'Yes. So, Amen. Through Jesus we are saved and God LOVED THE WORLD.
Going to the point of the word 'begotten', which is in the original Greek of John 3:16 — there is only one other mention of the word 'begotten' used in this way regarding 'when Jesus was begotten'…. it is in Acts.
“For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Hebrews 1:5.
Today I have begotten you…
Acts 13:30-33.
'But God raised him from the dead;
and for many days he appeared to those who came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses to the people.
And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers,
this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, `Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee.'I thought the word 'begotten' was also in Luke 1:35, but it is not.
http://biblos.com/luke/1-35.htm
So, Jesus became the begotten Son of God, according to Scripture, when He was raised from the dead. But, we also know that Jesus was born of a virgin… and had no earthly Father.
Adam also had no earthly Father.
Quote Then we can move farther down John 1. Okay. I am very busy though, it could a while (:
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,15:09) Hi 2B, I realize you are busy. When you get the chance, please address the following post from Dec 8th, so we can then move on down the line of John 1………………….
John 1:12
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—What name is it we are to believe in to become children of God? Is the name John was talking about “God YHVH”?
Hi Mike.
As I said NO. The name to believe in is not YHVH or Jehovah, but Jesus — as the Scriptures say.
The Father is called 'The Father', God. There is only one God.
When people call Jesus Jehovah, that is not scriptural. It is denying his name, and we are warned not to do that.
When people (such as Trinitarians) try to claim that Jesus was called 'Jehovah the Son' in the OT, they are saying that there are two Gods, when there is only one.
Binitarians and Arians do the same.Quote Compare your understanding (so far) with John 3:16-18. In your understanding, we are to believe in the name of “God YHVH”, who came into the world. Yet Jesus says we are to believe in the name of the SON OF God…
I did not say that….
Quote … whom God SENT into the world. Jesus also sent the disciples into the world…
John 20:21 'Jesus therefore said to them again, “Peace be to you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.'
Does that mean (in your understanding) that the Disciples also pre-existed as other Gods with the God?
Quote Do you see how your understanding is already going off track? And we've only just begun to scratch the surface. No. I see how YOUR understanding is going off track, though!
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2012,12:54) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 19 2012,05:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,11:08) Gene, when are YOU going to acknowledge that the Word BECAME flesh, and start aligning your understanding around the actual words John wrote – without having to add your own word into the verse?
lol.Mike, and all, I will catch up soon with posting, okay.
I am waiting for your actions
Hi T, have I missed a post of yours? (:2besee………..Me and Kerwin both agree with you about Jesus not preexisting his berth on this earth. This DOCTRINE of “SEPARATION” that has infected the church from the very beginning started by the Gnostic's, and now the Trinitarians and Protestants and JW'S. In fact There is hardly no denominations on earth that don't believe in the preexistence of Jesus, some say he was GOD Almighty himself, others say he was a demigod (like many here believe) and some say he preexisted as Michael the Arch Angel as the JW's do. But all these false teachers remove Jesus form his “Exact” Identity with Us as a pure human being Who came into “EXISTENCE” by his berth on this earth, born of human stock through the same berth process we all go through, a Human who had to learn and grow up Just EXACTLY as we do, who love Life Just as we Do Who did not want to die no more then we would and begged God to allow this Cup of death to pass from him, hardly sounds like a man who preexisted in a past existence and would have been familiar with the death process before right and when he Yelled out My God , My God, has thou forsaken Me? None of that sound like a God, or demigod or Angel, who preexisted and was used to the death and rebirth process if you ask Me.
Anyway glad you are here , it seem every time i start to get tired God send someone else to Help, he has many times in the Past , my hope you will not get tired of us and leave also. I believe Mike is capable of coming to understand these things if he would just let go of some of his past convections, but it is all in the Hand of our GOD anyway.
Peace and lvoe to you and yours………………………………………………….gene
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 19 2012,16:17) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2012,12:54) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 19 2012,05:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,11:08) Gene, when are YOU going to acknowledge that the Word BECAME flesh, and start aligning your understanding around the actual words John wrote – without having to add your own word into the verse?
lol.Mike, and all, I will catch up soon with posting, okay.
I am waiting for your actions
Hi T, have I missed a post of yours? (:
2bbyou never got back on mine ,you just say it is coming so I wait and wait,and wait
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T, I will get back to you on that when I have a bit more time okay.page 26
2bbe
Quote So, Jesus became the begotten Son of God, according to Scripture, when He was raised from the dead. But, we also know that Jesus was born of a virgin… and had no earthly Father. you say;when He was raised from the dead
scriptures also say;;Mk 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
tell me who else did God ever called someone “MY SON ”
?begotten = bring forth ;
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:so could you walk me through those scriptures above one step at the time
thank you Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 20 2012,05:09) you say;when He was raised from the dead Not I , T, the Scriptures.
Jesus was 'begotten' on the day that He was raised from the dead.
That is what scriptures say, not I!Quote tell me who else did God ever called someone “MY SON ” Has God ever called anybody else 'A Son'? Yes, T.
Angels.
Israel.
Adam.
Begotten Sons and Daughters of God… etc.Anyway all I am saying is that the DAY which Scriptures speak about, when Jesus was BEGOTTEN, was the day in which he was raised from the dead. If there is any other scripture which tells us as clearly as that, that Jesus was begotten before His birth.. then please show… I have not seen any!
Quote begotten = bring forth T, let the spirit show you what 'begotten means'.
Shh.. listen……. It means Taken Up. And you could understand 'taken up' in many (different) ways. Of course that is not in the English dictionary, perhaps. (: You can be begotten while alive too, as I am sure that Jesus was definitely!!!
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Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:so could you walk me through those scriptures above one step at the time
thank you I don't read much of Paul, so why would I preach Paul? As I have said, if I was to analyze what Paul said in the above passage, I would have to copy it out word for word from the original Greek and that would take a long time.
Jesus' words are what saves you. His words are the bread which came down from above. You have to “eat” his words (digest them slowly)..
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2012,04:51) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 08 2012,16:25) <!–QuoteBegin–terraricca+Dec.
08 2012,17:55–>Quote (terraricca @ Dec.
08 2012,17:55)Quote (2besee @ Dec. 08 2012,09:07) Do Angels create,
and if so, can you show me a scripture that says that they do?
Thank-you.
2dddoes a carpenter in construction create the project or just participate
in itPr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankindQuote does a carpenter in construction create the project or just
participate in itT, God is not a man, He simply speaks and it is so as the scriptures say, and also the scriptures say that God ALL ALONE created the heavens and the earth.
Read this (carefully):
'For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
and return not thither but water the earth,
making it bring forth and sprout,
giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and prosper in the thing for which I sent it.' (Isaiah 55:8-12)There are two things in that verse.
Firstly, THE WORD comes from GOD'S OWN MOUTH and accomplishes all that he purposes it to do and this is NOT ONLY with creation BUT ALSO with his own WORD coming down from heaven over 2000 years ago and watering the earth and being seed to the sower and BREAD to the EATER and it will accomplish all that he SENT IT to do.Quote Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankindThis is 'personifying' wisdom in a poetic and in a symbolic kind of a way.
God has always had his own wisdom, like his own word and his own spirit, just as we have our own.
The LORD by wisdom founded the earth;
by understanding he established the heavens;
by his knowledge the deeps broke forth. (Proverbs 3:19-20)
2BBQuote T, God is not a man YOU HAVE MIST MY POINT ,do you think i am that stupid and would not know that
Quote God has always had his own wisdom, like his own word and his own spirit, just as we have our own. then why do you try to make me believe that he ad to created
Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.SO WHO HIS “ME ” IN VERSE 22
Hi T, I have already explained this, do I have to repeat myself (: !!Wisdom was God's own wisdom, such as you have your own wisdom, but it was personified in a poetic type of way.
It is God's own wisdom, a part of God. There is only one God.
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